Black Mercedes.

Black Mercedes.

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HustleRussell

24,602 posts

159 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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DOCG said:
HustleRussell said:
Yes, angle.

I understand your question but to give an appropriate response I want to know what you're driving at.

I could assume but personally I don't like it when people do that

Am I to assume that your view is that engineering has never been overtly or deliberately exclusive? Could I extend that to conclude that you think that the situation as it is, is fine?
I am asking in what way it was/is exclusive. And no, your assumptions are wholly inaccurate, I am simply wanting to learn more.
The statistics indicate that the representation of BAME people and also women within engineering is low compared to the pool.

Why is that?

I have seen a number of initiatives which attempt to address the overwhelming male majority.

The initiatives launched by Hamilton attempt to investigate the first part.

Exige77

6,518 posts

190 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Problem with all of this is you can’t change history. It is what it is. Some good some bad.

As Humans we have done some terrible things to each other in the past. Things against race, religion, sexual orientation, or even just using the wrong hand to write with.

The list is endless but how long do we keep wanting to wallow in all these injustices ?

Society has made huge improvements in equality and I think will continue to do so.

We must know what happened in the past and learn from it in the future. Jumping on the virtue signalling band wagon starts to become divisive and makes the situation worse.

Mark-C

5,010 posts

204 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Mercedes are a massive capitalist concern with a strong understanding of the cost benefits of marketing. This will have had little cost (certainly a drop in their overall F1 budget) and gets them loads of almost entirely positive coverage.

That's it ... the whole story ... but well done all on getting a few pages of moaning out of it thumbup

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Exige77 said:
It’s a slippery slope. Once you get involved in politics you start to get judged.

It’s not a good thing when you want to appeal to as many customers as possible.
You must have been shaking your head when you saw this exchange, then - Yorkshire Tea and PG Tips wilfully throwing away the racist dollar, the fools.




Exige77

6,518 posts

190 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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They both only want customers that share their ideals ?

What happens when the BLM movements falls out of favour ?

It’s a slippery slope best not entered by big business.

PanicBuyingBogRoll

1,936 posts

61 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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otolith said:
Exige77 said:
It’s a slippery slope. Once you get involved in politics you start to get judged.

It’s not a good thing when you want to appeal to as many customers as possible.
You must have been shaking your head when you saw this exchange, then - Yorkshire Tea and PG Tips wilfully throwing away the racist dollar, the fools.



I'm sure they got more new customers from that than they lost. I don't particularly like Yorkshire Tea, but I bought some after this.

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Exige77 said:
They both only want customers that share their ideals ?

What happens when the BLM movements falls out of favour ?

It’s a slippery slope best not entered by big business.
Nope, they have principles and are willing to sacrifice the custom of racists in order to stand by them. Good on them.

Exige77

6,518 posts

190 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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otolith said:
Exige77 said:
They both only want customers that share their ideals ?

What happens when the BLM movements falls out of favour ?

It’s a slippery slope best not entered by big business.
Nope, they have principles and are willing to sacrifice the custom of racists in order to stand by them. Good on them.
So they are not businesses then ? They are now political organisations ?

PanicBuyingBogRoll

1,936 posts

61 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Exige77 said:
otolith said:
Exige77 said:
They both only want customers that share their ideals ?

What happens when the BLM movements falls out of favour ?

It’s a slippery slope best not entered by big business.
Nope, they have principles and are willing to sacrifice the custom of racists in order to stand by them. Good on them.
So they are not businesses then ? They are now political organisations ?
I think you are trying too hard to be a dhead about this.

Why is promoting equality of opportunity a bad thing?

Exige77

6,518 posts

190 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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PanicBuyingBogRoll said:
Exige77 said:
otolith said:
Exige77 said:
They both only want customers that share their ideals ?

What happens when the BLM movements falls out of favour ?

It’s a slippery slope best not entered by big business.
Nope, they have principles and are willing to sacrifice the custom of racists in order to stand by them. Good on them.
So they are not businesses then ? They are now political organisations ?
I think you are trying too hard to be a dhead about this.

Why is promoting equality of opportunity a bad thing?
Resorting to insults already ?

Absolutely nothing wrong with promoting “Equality” but that’s not what is being done.

They (Businesses) are supporting a divisive movement. Many other businesses are waking up to this and distancing themselves from BLM.

Shall we get back to Mercedes now ?




otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Exige77 said:
otolith said:
Exige77 said:
They both only want customers that share their ideals ?

What happens when the BLM movements falls out of favour ?

It’s a slippery slope best not entered by big business.
Nope, they have principles and are willing to sacrifice the custom of racists in order to stand by them. Good on them.
So they are not businesses then ? They are now political organisations ?
They are not organisations which share your values or lack thereof. There is no necessity that a business be amoral or inhumane.

PanicBuyingBogRoll

1,936 posts

61 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Exige77 said:
PanicBuyingBogRoll said:
Exige77 said:
otolith said:
Exige77 said:
They both only want customers that share their ideals ?

What happens when the BLM movements falls out of favour ?

It’s a slippery slope best not entered by big business.
Nope, they have principles and are willing to sacrifice the custom of racists in order to stand by them. Good on them.
So they are not businesses then ? They are now political organisations ?
I think you are trying too hard to be a dhead about this.

Why is promoting equality of opportunity a bad thing?
Resorting to insults already ?

Absolutely nothing wrong with promoting “Equality” but that’s not what is being done.

They (Businesses) are supporting a divisive movement. Many other businesses are waking up to this and distancing themselves from BLM.

Shall we get back to Mercedes now ?
Where on the black Mercedes or in any of what they have said do they state they are supporting the political aims of BLM? Yes the BLM movement and the things Lewis said has prompted them to do this.

As far as I can see, Mercedes have said they would like to see an end to racism, will look at how they can become a more diverse organisation and ensure they provide the same opportunity to everyone. And are using their car to promote this in one of the biggest advertising areans there is. Can't see how you can twist it into being a negative thing.

Apologies if I've missed it somwhere.

LucyP

1,698 posts

58 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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But it is elementary business practice not to support the smashing of the system that gave you the opportunity to start the business and remain in business.

PanicBuyingBogRoll

1,936 posts

61 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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LucyP said:
But it is elementary business practice not to support the smashing of the system that gave you the opportunity to start the business and remain in business.
I'm pretty sure Mercedes know how to run their business.

And I would also imagine they have worked out that doing this will probably increase their sales.

Norris is now going to have End Racism on his car, along with a pride rainbow.

Thats another team the gammons won't be able to support.

Exige77

6,518 posts

190 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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PanicBuyingBogRoll said:
LucyP said:
But it is elementary business practice not to support the smashing of the system that gave you the opportunity to start the business and remain in business.
I'm pretty sure Mercedes know how to run their business.

And I would also imagine they have worked out that doing this will probably increase their sales.

Norris is now going to have End Racism on his car, along with a pride rainbow.

Thats another team the gammons won't be able to support.
Anyone who doesn’t agree with you is a gammon now ?

Daimler Benz financial performances has not been good these last few years so not sure your assertion that they know how to run their business is correct.

Promoting “End Racism” can only be seen as a good thing. Who can argue about that ? Maybe a few real extremists but extremism of all sorts should probably be best ignored.

I can’t see how your lead driver promoting the “BLM” movement and then painting your cars black as being the same thing as promoting an end to racism.

I think Mercedes have dropped the ball on this one. Time will tell.

rscott

14,690 posts

190 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Exige77 said:
PanicBuyingBogRoll said:
LucyP said:
But it is elementary business practice not to support the smashing of the system that gave you the opportunity to start the business and remain in business.
I'm pretty sure Mercedes know how to run their business.

And I would also imagine they have worked out that doing this will probably increase their sales.

Norris is now going to have End Racism on his car, along with a pride rainbow.

Thats another team the gammons won't be able to support.
Anyone who doesn’t agree with you is a gammon now ?

Daimler Benz financial performances has not been good these last few years so not sure your assertion that they know how to run their business is correct.

Promoting “End Racism” can only be seen as a good thing. Who can argue about that ? Maybe a few real extremists but extremism of all sorts should probably be best ignored.

I can’t see how your lead driver promoting the “BLM” movement and then painting your cars black as being the same thing as promoting an end to racism.

I think Mercedes have dropped the ball on this one. Time will tell.
Mercedes haven't said they support BLM, only that the BLM movement has highlighted what they see as inequalities in the workforce and areas they could look to improve . Also they they can work to reduce racism , which, given the history of abuse their main driver has received at some tracks, seems to be a sensible step too.

SRT77

676 posts

217 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Is the new colour road relevant.

Muzzer79

9,806 posts

186 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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rscott said:
Exige77 said:
PanicBuyingBogRoll said:
LucyP said:
But it is elementary business practice not to support the smashing of the system that gave you the opportunity to start the business and remain in business.
I'm pretty sure Mercedes know how to run their business.

And I would also imagine they have worked out that doing this will probably increase their sales.

Norris is now going to have End Racism on his car, along with a pride rainbow.

Thats another team the gammons won't be able to support.
Anyone who doesn’t agree with you is a gammon now ?

Daimler Benz financial performances has not been good these last few years so not sure your assertion that they know how to run their business is correct.

Promoting “End Racism” can only be seen as a good thing. Who can argue about that ? Maybe a few real extremists but extremism of all sorts should probably be best ignored.

I can’t see how your lead driver promoting the “BLM” movement and then painting your cars black as being the same thing as promoting an end to racism.

I think Mercedes have dropped the ball on this one. Time will tell.
Mercedes haven't said they support BLM, only that the BLM movement has highlighted what they see as inequalities in the workforce and areas they could look to improve . Also they they can work to reduce racism , which, given the history of abuse their main driver has received at some tracks, seems to be a sensible step too.
This

I fail to see how painting the car black is such an issue.

Lewis, like several celebrities, has supported BLM but Mercedes clearly have not as BLM is not on the car anywhere.

They've changed the colour of the car to increase awareness, get people talking about ways to end racism and also look at their own internal behaviour.

I can't see why this is a bad thing?

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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SRT77 said:
Is the new colour road relevant.
I've been driving a black car for the last 11 years, so i'm well ahead of the curve, it even has factory privacy glass installed and black wheels.

Exige77

6,518 posts

190 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Muzzer79 said:
This

I fail to see how painting the car black is such an issue.

Lewis, like several celebrities, has supported BLM but Mercedes clearly have not as BLM is not on the car anywhere.

They've changed the colour of the car to increase awareness, get people talking about ways to end racism and also look at their own internal behaviour.

I can't see why this is a bad thing?
That’s the beauty of an open discussion smile.

Some on here’s natural response is to resort to aggression when when something doesn’t fit their narrative.

As a long standing supporter of Lewis (since Rye House cadet days) I will continue to wish him every success and hope he beats MS record and then some but just wish he would stick to racing.