Black Mercedes.
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sparta6 said:
TheDeuce said:
sparta6 said:
Or, perhaps, he has a selective memory when advancing his career 
But why does it matter to him? He wouldn't be able to do anything or live anywhere if he avoided all connections with all companies and places that have some level or racial discrimination in their history. Britain certainly does..He's judging those that he sees as creating problems with equality today. There isn't a problem with Daimler Benz's behavior or associations today so there is noting to fix or judge.
And yet Lewis is yet to convey how he thinks things could improve in Britain.
Every successful person I know has arrived through merit and hard work, regardless of ethnicity.
I don't know of another country as open and diverse.
Lewis himself is a prime example of that.
Your posts paint a picture; that you’ve never lived in the real world. Maybe one day you’ll get a taste.
Just repeatedly posting that Lewis is neither here nor there re’ Nazi’s - because their car is best - is about the thickest, dumbest, stupidest thing I’ve ever read on Pistonheads. And there’s a mountain to choose from
IforB said:
TheDeuce said:
IforB said:
Seems like a damned good idea to me.
Keeps their star driver happy, costs naff all, gets people talking and winds up those that require it.
Excellent.
And... it really looks better in black. If they'd just done that and attributed the change to nothing, I would still have been perfectly happy about it Keeps their star driver happy, costs naff all, gets people talking and winds up those that require it.
Excellent.
No F1 fan loses so far as I can see.. Except possibly a fractional minority who happen to be both colour blind and passionately racist, they won't enjoy the new car on any level I guess. Can't please everyone.
HedgeyGedgey said:
The thing that gets me is its all because Lewis has stood up and said its a white dominated sport. Its the best of the best, whats he suggesting that teams now shouldn't scout out the best of the best instead pick their team based on their race. Isnt that just racist anyway. And Mercedes answer to all this is to just paint the car black, do we now call them the black arrows? Or is that racist because one drive is black? Or do we call them the black and white arrows? Wait I've got it, the multicultural arrows!!!! Has a ring to it I think
My 7 year old gets it.Says much about you that you struggle to grasp the point they’re making.
Sorry for a rant, but this really is a personal affront and is one of the most hypocritical things I've ever seen. Title sponsor is a state entity of one of the most racially divided countries on earth, where the law provides that one races gets; preferential places in university, lower prices on house purchases, racially divided education, certain races denied the right to buy certain land, races denied membership of armed forces and police, government positions reserved. As a Company policy employees of certain race get extra holidays. Can you imagine if they had a British Company sponsor who advocated and supported a government policy that White British people paid less for their houses, or had lower A Level results to enter a university.
Mercedes need to look a lot closer to home.
Mercedes need to look a lot closer to home.
Berw said:
Sorry for a rant, but this really is a personal affront and is one of the most hypocritical things I've ever seen. Title sponsor is a state entity of one of the most racially divided countries on earth, where the law provides that one races gets; preferential places in university, lower prices on house purchases, racially divided education, certain races denied the right to buy certain land, races denied membership of armed forces and police, government positions reserved. As a Company policy employees of certain race get extra holidays. Can you imagine if they had a British Company sponsor who advocated and supported a government policy that White British people paid less for their houses, or had lower A Level results to enter a university.
Mercedes need to look a lot closer to home.
There is hypocrisy across much of what F1 teams say and whom they choose to take the sponsorship dollar from..Mercedes need to look a lot closer to home.
But, should that prevent worthwhile and positive steps being taken? Mercedes can improve their own outfit and in doing so create a template for improvement that others can adopt, in and beyond F1. They can't directly force change in how certain other countries treat race equality.
To flip your arguement on its head... Avoiding hypocrisy could be an effective block towards healthy progress. If we're going to make real progress then we have to accept that entities such as Mercedes F1 need to be supported in doing more things right, even though it's probably impractical for them to change 'overnight' all things that currently aren't ideal.
I stopped buying pre-packed supermarket food a couple of years ago, to save on packaging waste. However, my favourite takeaway still insists on using plastic, and I couldn't give that up. Does that make me a hypocrite? If so, fair enough. But I'm still bringing home a lot less unnecessary plastic.. There is still substantial progress made on my part.
Berw said:
government policy that White British people paid less for their houses, or had lower A Level results to enter a university.
I watched a BBC show last night all about Monaco. It is a 3 part series and the first one took a look at the F1 weekend but interestingly it touched on a similar point to what you said regarding Malaysia. They spoke with the air traffic controller who runs the helicopters in and out of the principality. He said that because he is a Monegasque citizen as opposed to a resident he gets 'perks' as he put it that other do not. He only pays €700 per month to rent an apartment that would cost anyone else €4,000 in Monaco as the state subsidise him massively.
However for me the most worrying aspect was that he said he also got the air traffic job despite being less qualified than other candidates who applied. This concerned me greatly given the level of responsibility the role carries.
This is the likely unintended consequence of filling roles based on a set diversity percentage rather than purely on ability and qualifications just to meet a quota picked from thin air and the BBC show just happened to highlight it perfectly.
LucyP said:
Muzzer79 said:
This
I fail to see how painting the car black is such an issue.
Lewis, like several celebrities, has supported BLM but Mercedes clearly have not as BLM is not on the car anywhere.
They've changed the colour of the car to increase awareness, get people talking about ways to end racism and also look at their own internal behaviour.
I can't see why this is a bad thing?
Are you really so naive? The team is known as the "Silver Arrows". Was there any mention pre-season of the car being black? Was it black in Australia? Do you really think that it would be black but for the very BLM protests? It's black in support of BLM and they have caved in to that nonsense like many other people and organisations, just as it is backfiring as people realise that it is really about Marxism and smashing the system and not about the lives of BAME people. Why would anyone sane want to be associated with a Marxist, smash the system movement?I fail to see how painting the car black is such an issue.
Lewis, like several celebrities, has supported BLM but Mercedes clearly have not as BLM is not on the car anywhere.
They've changed the colour of the car to increase awareness, get people talking about ways to end racism and also look at their own internal behaviour.
I can't see why this is a bad thing?
The car wasn't black in pre-season and it wasn't black in Australia. It's Mercedes' car, they don't have to forecast what colour they're going to paint it.
You assume that all this has come from BLM. It hasn't. It's come from an incident that has fired up awareness of racism in the world, which Mercedes are trying to do something about.
Do you think Mercedes are really all closet BLM disciples trying to "smash the system" covertly? For heaven's sake
BLM is not on the car. They've painted it black to raise awareness of discrimination and promote racial equality. Unless you're the worst kind of moron, that is not a bad thing.
I'll ask again to all those criticising this, if the car was painted pink to promote Breast Cancer awareness, would you have an issue?
ash73 said:
Premier League starts to distance itself from BLM:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/06/30/pr...
It's not clear to me whether F1/Merc endorse BLM or they're trying to do the same and cherry pick the woke bits; it will be interesting to see how often the phrase is used this weekend.
Merc have been clear that they are supporting what they believe, it's their initiative they support, not BLM. I expect several other organisations who initially jumped on the #BLM message will seek to more broadly support equality and not specifically BLM.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/06/30/pr...
It's not clear to me whether F1/Merc endorse BLM or they're trying to do the same and cherry pick the woke bits; it will be interesting to see how often the phrase is used this weekend.
Regards F1's own initiative "we race as one" also appears proprietary. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.formula...
Berw said:
Sorry for a rant, but this really is a personal affront and is one of the most hypocritical things I've ever seen. Title sponsor is a state entity of one of the most racially divided countries on earth, where the law provides that one races gets; preferential places in university, lower prices on house purchases, racially divided education, certain races denied the right to buy certain land, races denied membership of armed forces and police, government positions reserved. As a Company policy employees of certain race get extra holidays. Can you imagine if they had a British Company sponsor who advocated and supported a government policy that White British people paid less for their houses, or had lower A Level results to enter a university.
Mercedes need to look a lot closer to home.
A "personal affront"?Mercedes need to look a lot closer to home.
In what possible way.
Methinks thou is looking for an excuse to be offended.
It's BLM support. Clear as day and a massive mistake. The Premiership has distanced itself from BLM following their extreme statements and all the Sky pundits removed the badges last night.
For those who question whether BLM are Marxist, follow the links that I posted yesterday and read for yourselves.
Mercedes have shot themselves in the foot on this one.
For those who question whether BLM are Marxist, follow the links that I posted yesterday and read for yourselves.
Mercedes have shot themselves in the foot on this one.
Dark85 said:
sparta6 said:
I agree.
And yet Lewis is yet to convey how he thinks things could improve in Britain.
Every successful person I know has arrived through merit and hard work, regardless of ethnicity.
I don't know of another country as open and diverse.
Lewis himself is a prime example of that.
How can you possibly know that? And yet Lewis is yet to convey how he thinks things could improve in Britain.
Every successful person I know has arrived through merit and hard work, regardless of ethnicity.
I don't know of another country as open and diverse.
Lewis himself is a prime example of that.
Luck on its own is never enough.
LucyP said:
It's BLM support. Clear as day and a massive mistake. The Premiership has distanced itself from BLM following their extreme statements and all the Sky pundits removed the badges last night.
For those who question whether BLM are Marxist, follow the links that I posted yesterday and read for yourselves.
Mercedes have shot themselves in the foot on this one.
It's clear as day it's support to fight against inequality at every level. It's clear because Mercedes have clearly said as much. It should be clear to you because you seem fairly intelligent, despite your other irksome qualities, that Mercedes nor F1 are stupid enough to not crosscheck their policies with those of BLM, who clearly have incompatible ideas when it comes to capitalism and democracy.For those who question whether BLM are Marxist, follow the links that I posted yesterday and read for yourselves.
Mercedes have shot themselves in the foot on this one.
Why are you always looking for the most extreme drama in whatever is in the media? It was the same when we entered lock-down and you were telling anyone that didn't believe a single infected person would infect 80% of the paddock that they were being naive. And the same again when people started to point out that it would be possible for F1 to start up again before very long..
Are you here for F1 chat? Or here to attempt to desperately ramp up the drama of everything that F1 is having to deal with this year?
vdn said:
sparta6 said:
TheDeuce said:
sparta6 said:
Or, perhaps, he has a selective memory when advancing his career
But why does it matter to him? He wouldn't be able to do anything or live anywhere if he avoided all connections with all companies and places that have some level or racial discrimination in their history. Britain certainly does..He's judging those that he sees as creating problems with equality today. There isn't a problem with Daimler Benz's behavior or associations today so there is noting to fix or judge.
And yet Lewis is yet to convey how he thinks things could improve in Britain.
Every successful person I know has arrived through merit and hard work, regardless of ethnicity.
I don't know of another country as open and diverse.
Lewis himself is a prime example of that.
Your posts paint a picture; that you’ve never lived in the real world. Maybe one day you’ll get a taste.
Just repeatedly posting that Lewis is neither here nor there re’ Nazi’s - because their car is best - is about the thickest, dumbest, stupidest thing I’ve ever read on Pistonheads. And there’s a mountain to choose from
Lewis is yet to comment on the injustice of something his Paymasters were involved with just 80 years ago.
Maybe he just doesn't know ?!
We are all equally entitled to our own views
LucyP said:
It's BLM support. Clear as day and a massive mistake. The Premiership has distanced itself from BLM following their extreme statements and all the Sky pundits removed the badges last night.
For those who question whether BLM are Marxist, follow the links that I posted yesterday and read for yourselves.
Mercedes have shot themselves in the foot on this one.
You keep posting things that are untrue. BLM is not a Marxist organisation. Some of the members are, certainly, but that’s not the same thing.For those who question whether BLM are Marxist, follow the links that I posted yesterday and read for yourselves.
Mercedes have shot themselves in the foot on this one.
Get your facts right.
LucyP said:
It's BLM support. Clear as day and a massive mistake. The Premiership has distanced itself from BLM following their extreme statements and all the Sky pundits removed the badges last night.
For those who question whether BLM are Marxist, follow the links that I posted yesterday and read for yourselves.
Mercedes have shot themselves in the foot on this one.
Explain to me how painting a car black but not putting 'Black Lives Matter' anywhere on it or referring to BLM in anyway is "clear as day" BLM support.For those who question whether BLM are Marxist, follow the links that I posted yesterday and read for yourselves.
Mercedes have shot themselves in the foot on this one.
Mercedes could of course pull their BLM badges like the Sky Sports presenters did but....hang on.....They've never sodding worn them!!
longblackcoat said:
You keep posting things that are untrue. BLM is not a Marxist organisation. Some of the members are, certainly, but that’s not the same thing.
Get your facts right.
Read the links that I posted. The organisation has openly Marxist aims. Every commentator is saying the same thing, because it's on their website as plain as day and it's why people are now distancing themselves from BLM.Get your facts right.
Muzzer79 said:
Explain to me how painting a car black but not putting 'Black Lives Matter' anywhere on it or referring to BLM in anyway is "clear as day" BLM support.
Mercedes could of course pull their BLM badges like the Sky Sports presenters did but....hang on.....They've never sodding worn them!!
So why is it suddenly black? Are you really so naive? It's utter virtual signalling of the worst kind because they are supporting a Marxist organisation and the backlash against BLM has already started.Mercedes could of course pull their BLM badges like the Sky Sports presenters did but....hang on.....They've never sodding worn them!!
ash73 said:
I like the "we race as one" slogan, the standard logo colours are a bit crap but McLaren have done well with it.
It'll be interesting to see how they navigate through interviews, and inevitable BLM questions, and which phraseology they use.
I expect there's some last minute media training going on!
Yup. BLM support is in my view a disaster waiting to happen. I do expect that such questions will be dismissed with "I/we believe in what we believe.." followed by a reiteration of what those things are, inline with 'we race as one' and whatever initiative their own teams may have in place.It'll be interesting to see how they navigate through interviews, and inevitable BLM questions, and which phraseology they use.
I expect there's some last minute media training going on!
LucyP said:
Muzzer79 said:
Explain to me how painting a car black but not putting 'Black Lives Matter' anywhere on it or referring to BLM in anyway is "clear as day" BLM support.
Mercedes could of course pull their BLM badges like the Sky Sports presenters did but....hang on.....They've never sodding worn them!!
So why is it suddenly black? Are you really so naive? It's utter virtual signalling of the worst kind because they are supporting a Marxist organisation and the backlash against BLM has already started.Mercedes could of course pull their BLM badges like the Sky Sports presenters did but....hang on.....They've never sodding worn them!!
I think you need to go back to your room and let the adults discuss this in peace.
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