Black Mercedes.

Black Mercedes.

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HustleRussell

17,883 posts

115 months

Tuesday
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Exige77 said:
HustleRussell said:
Watershed moment in the racial equality movement, it's a hot topic in conversations for weeks around the world, and we are to believe that this is 'a bad time' for large companies to launch initiatives to research ethnic diversity in STEM subjects?
Absolutely no problem with that. It’s an initiative to be praised !!

Painting your famously silver car black just looks like virtue signaling like policemen taking the knee.

A gesture too far.
Oh yes we should be careful how far we go with racial equality in case it actually happens!

(I'm not having a go at you, I'm just being obtuse)

IforB

7,085 posts

184 months

Tuesday
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Exige77 said:
HustleRussell said:
Watershed moment in the racial equality movement, it's a hot topic in conversations for weeks around the world, and we are to believe that this is 'a bad time' for large companies to launch initiatives to research ethnic diversity in STEM subjects?
Absolutely no problem with that. It’s an initiative to be praised !!

Painting your famously silver car black just looks like virtue signaling like policemen taking the knee.

A gesture too far.
Seems like a damned good idea to me.

Keeps their star driver happy, costs naff all, gets people talking and winds up those that require it.

Excellent.

TheDeuce

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21 months

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IforB said:
Seems like a damned good idea to me.

Keeps their star driver happy, costs naff all, gets people talking and winds up those that require it.

Excellent.
And... it really looks better in black. If they'd just done that and attributed the change to nothing, I would still have been perfectly happy about it smile

IforB

7,085 posts

184 months

Tuesday
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TheDeuce said:
IforB said:
Seems like a damned good idea to me.

Keeps their star driver happy, costs naff all, gets people talking and winds up those that require it.

Excellent.
And... it really looks better in black. If they'd just done that and attributed the change to nothing, I would still have been perfectly happy about it smile
Indeed, the fact it has excellent meaning is a nice bonus!

longblackcoat

4,379 posts

138 months

Tuesday
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LucyP said:
Muzzer79 said:
This

I fail to see how painting the car black is such an issue.

Lewis, like several celebrities, has supported BLM but Mercedes clearly have not as BLM is not on the car anywhere.

They've changed the colour of the car to increase awareness, get people talking about ways to end racism and also look at their own internal behaviour.

I can't see why this is a bad thing?
Are you really so naive? The team is known as the "Silver Arrows". Was there any mention pre-season of the car being black? Was it black in Australia? Do you really think that it would be black but for the very BLM protests? It's black in support of BLM and they have caved in to that nonsense like many other people and organisations, just as it is backfiring as people realise that it is really about Marxism and smashing the system and not about the lives of BAME people. Why would anyone sane want to be associated with a Marxist, smash the system movement?
It’s your assertion that Black Lives Matter is a Marxist organisation.

Prove it.

Nampahc Niloc

224 posts

33 months

Tuesday
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I’m a little confused by this thread. Just to be clear, do some people actually believe that Mercedes were wrong to support a cause by changing their livery?

What would you say if a team covered their car in poppies come October/November?

What if a team painted its car pink to support Breast Cancer?

Would these not be acceptable either?

bockaaarck

341 posts

123 months

Tuesday
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Nampahc Niloc said:
I’m a little confused by this thread. Just to be clear, do some people actually believe that Mercedes were wrong to support a cause by changing their livery?

What would you say if a team covered their car in poppies come October/November?

What if a team painted its car pink to support Breast Cancer?

Would these not be acceptable either?
Agreed, you’ve hit the nail on the head! Why didn’t we all see it before?

Clearly this painting their car black is a shameful, political, WOKE, bandwagon type activity. And goes beyond all reasonable minded boundaries.

Maybe I’ve missed something, that some of the posts on this thread haven’t. And a return to the halcyon days of the 30’s and 40’s is what’s required.

When Daimler Benz were using Jewish, Slavic and other forced slaved labourers to build their lorry’s. At least their racing cars were still silver..........

For those of you stressing and flapping about Mercedes painting their cars black. It’s their company, they can do what they like.

It may or may not agree with, suit, match or fit in with your political, social or make up or pattern of acceptance. And frankly, even if it’s a ‘sales or marketing gimmick’. I do wonder what those of you who disagree with it, would rather see?.......what, what is it you want them to do?

Do you want them to say “...you know what, it’s ok subjugating other members of society among your friends, just, you know, don’t do it in public.....it’s a bit frowned upon...”

Maybe, as an organisation, who have found themselves. Ashamedly very much on the side of what is morally, ethically and humanitarianly wrong, in the past. Perhaps they feel a debt of responsibility and accountability to stand against those things, which they believe. They got so horribly and appallingly wrong in the past.

I don’t know, seems to me, they’re on the right side of things

Edited by bockaaarck on Tuesday 30th June 22:57

vdn

7,463 posts

158 months

Tuesday
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sparta6 said:
TheDeuce said:
sparta6 said:
Or, perhaps, he has a selective memory when advancing his career wink
But why does it matter to him? He wouldn't be able to do anything or live anywhere if he avoided all connections with all companies and places that have some level or racial discrimination in their history. Britain certainly does..

He's judging those that he sees as creating problems with equality today. There isn't a problem with Daimler Benz's behavior or associations today so there is noting to fix or judge.
I agree.
And yet Lewis is yet to convey how he thinks things could improve in Britain.
Every successful person I know has arrived through merit and hard work, regardless of ethnicity.

I don't know of another country as open and diverse.

Lewis himself is a prime example of that.
You truly are naive, ignorant and a few other things.

Your posts paint a picture; that you’ve never lived in the real world. Maybe one day you’ll get a taste.

Just repeatedly posting that Lewis is neither here nor there re’ Nazi’s - because their car is best - is about the thickest, dumbest, stupidest thing I’ve ever read on Pistonheads. And there’s a mountain to choose from wink

TheDeuce

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5,468 posts

21 months

Wednesday
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IforB said:
TheDeuce said:
IforB said:
Seems like a damned good idea to me.

Keeps their star driver happy, costs naff all, gets people talking and winds up those that require it.

Excellent.
And... it really looks better in black. If they'd just done that and attributed the change to nothing, I would still have been perfectly happy about it smile
Indeed, the fact it has excellent meaning is a nice bonus!
Yup, sums it up for me. If you don't care about the politics or simply don't care for external politics entering F1, it's fine - you still get a better looking car to look at! And if you do care, all for the better as Mercedes initiative is imo more sensible sounding and level headed than others I've seen.

No F1 fan loses so far as I can see.. Except possibly a fractional minority who happen to be both colour blind and passionately racist, they won't enjoy the new car on any level I guess. Can't please everyone.

oyster

9,866 posts

203 months

Wednesday
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HedgeyGedgey said:
The thing that gets me is its all because Lewis has stood up and said its a white dominated sport. Its the best of the best, whats he suggesting that teams now shouldn't scout out the best of the best instead pick their team based on their race. Isnt that just racist anyway. And Mercedes answer to all this is to just paint the car black, do we now call them the black arrows? Or is that racist because one drive is black? Or do we call them the black and white arrows? Wait I've got it, the multicultural arrows!!!! Has a ring to it I think
My 7 year old gets it.

Says much about you that you struggle to grasp the point they’re making.

Berw

2,764 posts

160 months

Wednesday
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Sorry for a rant, but this really is a personal affront and is one of the most hypocritical things I've ever seen. Title sponsor is a state entity of one of the most racially divided countries on earth, where the law provides that one races gets; preferential places in university, lower prices on house purchases, racially divided education, certain races denied the right to buy certain land, races denied membership of armed forces and police, government positions reserved. As a Company policy employees of certain race get extra holidays. Can you imagine if they had a British Company sponsor who advocated and supported a government policy that White British people paid less for their houses, or had lower A Level results to enter a university.
Mercedes need to look a lot closer to home.

TheDeuce

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5,468 posts

21 months

Wednesday
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Berw said:
Sorry for a rant, but this really is a personal affront and is one of the most hypocritical things I've ever seen. Title sponsor is a state entity of one of the most racially divided countries on earth, where the law provides that one races gets; preferential places in university, lower prices on house purchases, racially divided education, certain races denied the right to buy certain land, races denied membership of armed forces and police, government positions reserved. As a Company policy employees of certain race get extra holidays. Can you imagine if they had a British Company sponsor who advocated and supported a government policy that White British people paid less for their houses, or had lower A Level results to enter a university.
Mercedes need to look a lot closer to home.
There is hypocrisy across much of what F1 teams say and whom they choose to take the sponsorship dollar from..

But, should that prevent worthwhile and positive steps being taken? Mercedes can improve their own outfit and in doing so create a template for improvement that others can adopt, in and beyond F1. They can't directly force change in how certain other countries treat race equality.

To flip your arguement on its head... Avoiding hypocrisy could be an effective block towards healthy progress. If we're going to make real progress then we have to accept that entities such as Mercedes F1 need to be supported in doing more things right, even though it's probably impractical for them to change 'overnight' all things that currently aren't ideal.

I stopped buying pre-packed supermarket food a couple of years ago, to save on packaging waste. However, my favourite takeaway still insists on using plastic, and I couldn't give that up. Does that make me a hypocrite? If so, fair enough. But I'm still bringing home a lot less unnecessary plastic.. There is still substantial progress made on my part.

TwentyFive

90 posts

21 months

Wednesday
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Berw said:
government policy that White British people paid less for their houses, or had lower A Level results to enter a university.
I watched a BBC show last night all about Monaco. It is a 3 part series and the first one took a look at the F1 weekend but interestingly it touched on a similar point to what you said regarding Malaysia.

They spoke with the air traffic controller who runs the helicopters in and out of the principality. He said that because he is a Monegasque citizen as opposed to a resident he gets 'perks' as he put it that other do not. He only pays €700 per month to rent an apartment that would cost anyone else €4,000 in Monaco as the state subsidise him massively.

However for me the most worrying aspect was that he said he also got the air traffic job despite being less qualified than other candidates who applied. This concerned me greatly given the level of responsibility the role carries.

This is the likely unintended consequence of filling roles based on a set diversity percentage rather than purely on ability and qualifications just to meet a quota picked from thin air and the BBC show just happened to highlight it perfectly.



ash73

17,904 posts

176 months

Wednesday
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Premier League starts to distance itself from BLM:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/06/30/pr...

It's not clear to me whether F1/Merc endorse BLM or they're trying to do the same and cherry pick the woke bits; it will be interesting to see how often the phrase is used this weekend.

Muzzer79

3,381 posts

142 months

Wednesday
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LucyP said:
Muzzer79 said:
This

I fail to see how painting the car black is such an issue.

Lewis, like several celebrities, has supported BLM but Mercedes clearly have not as BLM is not on the car anywhere.

They've changed the colour of the car to increase awareness, get people talking about ways to end racism and also look at their own internal behaviour.

I can't see why this is a bad thing?
Are you really so naive? The team is known as the "Silver Arrows". Was there any mention pre-season of the car being black? Was it black in Australia? Do you really think that it would be black but for the very BLM protests? It's black in support of BLM and they have caved in to that nonsense like many other people and organisations, just as it is backfiring as people realise that it is really about Marxism and smashing the system and not about the lives of BAME people. Why would anyone sane want to be associated with a Marxist, smash the system movement?
Are you really so blinkered?

The car wasn't black in pre-season and it wasn't black in Australia. It's Mercedes' car, they don't have to forecast what colour they're going to paint it.

You assume that all this has come from BLM. It hasn't. It's come from an incident that has fired up awareness of racism in the world, which Mercedes are trying to do something about.

Do you think Mercedes are really all closet BLM disciples trying to "smash the system" covertly? For heaven's sake rolleyes

BLM is not on the car. They've painted it black to raise awareness of discrimination and promote racial equality. Unless you're the worst kind of moron, that is not a bad thing.

I'll ask again to all those criticising this, if the car was painted pink to promote Breast Cancer awareness, would you have an issue?

TheDeuce

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5,468 posts

21 months

Wednesday
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ash73 said:
Premier League starts to distance itself from BLM:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/06/30/pr...

It's not clear to me whether F1/Merc endorse BLM or they're trying to do the same and cherry pick the woke bits; it will be interesting to see how often the phrase is used this weekend.
Merc have been clear that they are supporting what they believe, it's their initiative they support, not BLM. I expect several other organisations who initially jumped on the #BLM message will seek to more broadly support equality and not specifically BLM.

Regards F1's own initiative "we race as one" also appears proprietary. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.formula...

IforB

7,085 posts

184 months

Wednesday
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Berw said:
Sorry for a rant, but this really is a personal affront and is one of the most hypocritical things I've ever seen. Title sponsor is a state entity of one of the most racially divided countries on earth, where the law provides that one races gets; preferential places in university, lower prices on house purchases, racially divided education, certain races denied the right to buy certain land, races denied membership of armed forces and police, government positions reserved. As a Company policy employees of certain race get extra holidays. Can you imagine if they had a British Company sponsor who advocated and supported a government policy that White British people paid less for their houses, or had lower A Level results to enter a university.
Mercedes need to look a lot closer to home.
A "personal affront"?

In what possible way.

Methinks thou is looking for an excuse to be offended.

LucyP

375 posts

14 months

Wednesday
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It's BLM support. Clear as day and a massive mistake. The Premiership has distanced itself from BLM following their extreme statements and all the Sky pundits removed the badges last night.

For those who question whether BLM are Marxist, follow the links that I posted yesterday and read for yourselves.

Mercedes have shot themselves in the foot on this one.

sparta6

1,784 posts

55 months

Wednesday
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Dark85 said:
sparta6 said:
I agree.
And yet Lewis is yet to convey how he thinks things could improve in Britain.
Every successful person I know has arrived through merit and hard work, regardless of ethnicity.

I don't know of another country as open and diverse.

Lewis himself is a prime example of that.
How can you possibly know that?
Over time you notice a commonality in their key core values which are the catalysts to success in their chosen endeavour.

Luck on its own is never enough.

TheDeuce

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5,468 posts

21 months

Wednesday
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LucyP said:
It's BLM support. Clear as day and a massive mistake. The Premiership has distanced itself from BLM following their extreme statements and all the Sky pundits removed the badges last night.

For those who question whether BLM are Marxist, follow the links that I posted yesterday and read for yourselves.

Mercedes have shot themselves in the foot on this one.
It's clear as day it's support to fight against inequality at every level. It's clear because Mercedes have clearly said as much. It should be clear to you because you seem fairly intelligent, despite your other irksome qualities, that Mercedes nor F1 are stupid enough to not crosscheck their policies with those of BLM, who clearly have incompatible ideas when it comes to capitalism and democracy.

Why are you always looking for the most extreme drama in whatever is in the media? It was the same when we entered lock-down and you were telling anyone that didn't believe a single infected person would infect 80% of the paddock that they were being naive. And the same again when people started to point out that it would be possible for F1 to start up again before very long..

Are you here for F1 chat? Or here to attempt to desperately ramp up the drama of everything that F1 is having to deal with this year?