Black Mercedes.

[Muzzer79]

TheDeuce said:

ash73 said:

But it makes me cringe, blacking up the car doesn't exactly have the right connotations... imho.

It's an interesting and perhaps 'designed to be a talking point' initiative. If I had gone to the US GP last season with my face blacked up to support the battle against inequality in the sport, I'm not sure my point would have come across as hoped...

It also kind of supports colour being relevant, when it should not be. Then again, Formula W has kind of (in fact, absolutely has..) introduced segregation in to a sports series that has since day one avoided such practices - and that seems to have been fully acceptable socially.

From a corporate POV Mercedes have probably played this one very well. From a logical POV it's easy to pick a few holes if you think about it in depth... But regards their corporate position and goals, it was a good move imo.

If someone can't differentiate between painting a car black as part of an initiative to promote equality and blacking up one's face then they shouldn't be allowed to make adult decisions.

[TheDeuce]

Muzzer79 said:

If someone can't differentiate between painting a car black as part of an initiative to promote equality and blacking up one's face then they shouldn't be allowed to make adult decisions.

People alter their appearance to mirror and support several causes. In any case, that was really my point - blacking up does have certain connotations and of course it would be a bad personal decision to make. By the same token, the decision to black up the car is very... bold. Intentionally of course.

Personally I would rather the cars remained free of any skin colour reference - but I can appreciate that its designed to send a signal and be a talking point.

Edited by TheDeuce on Monday 29th June 15:59

[Mad Jock]

Lewis makes a statement about racism, equality etc via Mercedes by asking them to paint their cars black. It's probably effective, it's certainly got people talking, which I guess is just the point he and Mercedes want to make ( and are perfectly entitled to do so if they wish. All within the rules etc).

What if he was a Ferrari driver? What chance of us seeing a black Ferrari?

Just asking...

[sparta6]

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

TheDeuce said:

REALIST123 said:

sparta6 said:

SmoothCriminal said:

SO woke, SO stunning, SO brave.

Wonder what the racial mix of Daimler AG is or even the merc racing team for that matter. Bet them muppets will be taking the knee before races aswell

I wonder if Lewis has studied the history of Daimler and the Nazi party ?

Surely, if he was aware of that he would never have driven for them, best car or not?

But then, he’s still associated with Hugo Boss so some parts of history maybe aren’t as important as others.

That would imply that you assume he has no belief that people can change - or more accurately that people long dead might have been replaced with others that have rather different views!

When he signed for Mercedes I'm he wasn't worried that place would be full of Nazi sympathisers in the same way that he wouldn't expect them to give him a car from that era either

Or, perhaps, he has a selective memory when advancing his career

Dude. Your garage says you have a Merc, a Porsche, and a Ferrari. Once again you completely undermine your own position and show that you're either irrationally biased against Lewis, which in itself is being discriminatory (you keep attacking him, but not for any valid reason, it's just because you don't like him) or you're a very persistant troll.

How on earth does a person's choice of street car purchases relate to viewpoints on F1 driver conduct such as Max, Hamilton, Leclerc or Vettel ?

I've also commented on Ricciardo but don't have a Renault in my stable.

[Trophy Husband]

Bugger to clean.

[TheDeuce]

sparta6 said:

How on earth does a person's choice of street car purchases relate to viewpoints on F1 driver conduct such as Max, Hamilton, Leclerc or Vettel ?

I've also commented on Ricciardo but don't have a Renault in my stable.

You're the one who questioned whether or not Lewis should be more aware of his choice of team given the (distant) past of their namesake owners...

Why on earth do you expect he should care about Mercedes ancient history anymore than you should when you drive a Merc?

[Podie]

sparta6 said:

Wasn't Cilla Black, actually Priscilla White by birth?

Does that make this more or less confusing?

[thegreenhell]

TheDeuce said:

It also kind of supports colour being relevant, when it should not be. Then again, Formula W has kind of (in fact, absolutely has..) introduced segregation in to a sports series that has since day one avoided such practices - and that seems to have been fully acceptable socially.

Hang on, I've got this great idea... Formula BAME...

[kiseca]

sparta6 said:

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

TheDeuce said:

REALIST123 said:

sparta6 said:

SmoothCriminal said:

SO woke, SO stunning, SO brave.

Wonder what the racial mix of Daimler AG is or even the merc racing team for that matter. Bet them muppets will be taking the knee before races aswell

I wonder if Lewis has studied the history of Daimler and the Nazi party ?

Surely, if he was aware of that he would never have driven for them, best car or not?

But then, he’s still associated with Hugo Boss so some parts of history maybe aren’t as important as others.

That would imply that you assume he has no belief that people can change - or more accurately that people long dead might have been replaced with others that have rather different views!

When he signed for Mercedes I'm he wasn't worried that place would be full of Nazi sympathisers in the same way that he wouldn't expect them to give him a car from that era either

Or, perhaps, he has a selective memory when advancing his career

Dude. Your garage says you have a Merc, a Porsche, and a Ferrari. Once again you completely undermine your own position and show that you're either irrationally biased against Lewis, which in itself is being discriminatory (you keep attacking him, but not for any valid reason, it's just because you don't like him) or you're a very persistant troll.

How on earth does a person's choice of street car purchases relate to viewpoints on F1 driver conduct such as Max, Hamilton, Leclerc or Vettel ?

I've also commented on Ricciardo but don't have a Renault in my stable.

Because you've repeatedly used his association with Merc to attempt to devalue his views by referencing his support of a company with some skeletons in its closet. Yet you support the same company by buying its products, as well as two others who also contributed to the axis war effort. You don't really care what company he works for, you just look for ways to criticize Lewis.

[PanicBuyingBogRoll]

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

TheDeuce said:

REALIST123 said:

sparta6 said:

SmoothCriminal said:

SO woke, SO stunning, SO brave.

Wonder what the racial mix of Daimler AG is or even the merc racing team for that matter. Bet them muppets will be taking the knee before races aswell

I wonder if Lewis has studied the history of Daimler and the Nazi party ?

Surely, if he was aware of that he would never have driven for them, best car or not?

But then, he’s still associated with Hugo Boss so some parts of history maybe aren’t as important as others.

That would imply that you assume he has no belief that people can change - or more accurately that people long dead might have been replaced with others that have rather different views!

When he signed for Mercedes I'm he wasn't worried that place would be full of Nazi sympathisers in the same way that he wouldn't expect them to give him a car from that era either

Or, perhaps, he has a selective memory when advancing his career

Dude. Your garage says you have a Merc, a Porsche, and a Ferrari. Once again you completely undermine your own position and show that you're either irrationally biased against Lewis, which in itself is being discriminatory (you keep attacking him, but not for any valid reason, it's just because you don't like him) or you're a very persistant troll.

How on earth does a person's choice of street car purchases relate to viewpoints on F1 driver conduct such as Max, Hamilton, Leclerc or Vettel ?

I've also commented on Ricciardo but don't have a Renault in my stable.

Because you've repeatedly used his association with Merc to attempt to devalue his views by referencing his support of a company with some skeletons in its closet. Yet you support the same company by buying its products, as well as two others who also contributed to the axis war effort. You don't really care what company he works for, you just look for ways to criticize Lewis.

Buying those cars clearly demonstrate someone who supports Nazi and fascist ideology.

[TheDeuce]

PanicBuyingBogRoll said:

Buying those cars clearly demonstrate someone who supports Nazi and fascist ideology.

Oops... I've got a BMW on the drive. They assisted the Nazi's too...

The problem is, autotrader's website doesn't have a 'zero racial connotations' filter. It's easy to end up with the wrong car

[sparta6]

PanicBuyingBogRoll said:

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

TheDeuce said:

REALIST123 said:

sparta6 said:

SmoothCriminal said:

SO woke, SO stunning, SO brave.

Wonder what the racial mix of Daimler AG is or even the merc racing team for that matter. Bet them muppets will be taking the knee before races aswell

I wonder if Lewis has studied the history of Daimler and the Nazi party ?

Surely, if he was aware of that he would never have driven for them, best car or not?

But then, he’s still associated with Hugo Boss so some parts of history maybe aren’t as important as others.

That would imply that you assume he has no belief that people can change - or more accurately that people long dead might have been replaced with others that have rather different views!

When he signed for Mercedes I'm he wasn't worried that place would be full of Nazi sympathisers in the same way that he wouldn't expect them to give him a car from that era either

Or, perhaps, he has a selective memory when advancing his career

Dude. Your garage says you have a Merc, a Porsche, and a Ferrari. Once again you completely undermine your own position and show that you're either irrationally biased against Lewis, which in itself is being discriminatory (you keep attacking him, but not for any valid reason, it's just because you don't like him) or you're a very persistant troll.

How on earth does a person's choice of street car purchases relate to viewpoints on F1 driver conduct such as Max, Hamilton, Leclerc or Vettel ?

I've also commented on Ricciardo but don't have a Renault in my stable.

Because you've repeatedly used his association with Merc to attempt to devalue his views by referencing his support of a company with some skeletons in its closet. Yet you support the same company by buying its products, as well as two others who also contributed to the axis war effort. You don't really care what company he works for, you just look for ways to criticize Lewis.

Buying those cars clearly demonstrate someone who supports Nazi and fascist ideology.

Clearly

But you won't find me pretending to identify with slavery that was abolished long before WW2

Maybe if I'd grown up in Stevenage I could

[kiseca]

PanicBuyingBogRoll said:

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

TheDeuce said:

REALIST123 said:

sparta6 said:

SmoothCriminal said:

SO woke, SO stunning, SO brave.

Wonder what the racial mix of Daimler AG is or even the merc racing team for that matter. Bet them muppets will be taking the knee before races aswell

I wonder if Lewis has studied the history of Daimler and the Nazi party ?

Surely, if he was aware of that he would never have driven for them, best car or not?

But then, he’s still associated with Hugo Boss so some parts of history maybe aren’t as important as others.

That would imply that you assume he has no belief that people can change - or more accurately that people long dead might have been replaced with others that have rather different views!

When he signed for Mercedes I'm he wasn't worried that place would be full of Nazi sympathisers in the same way that he wouldn't expect them to give him a car from that era either

Or, perhaps, he has a selective memory when advancing his career

Dude. Your garage says you have a Merc, a Porsche, and a Ferrari. Once again you completely undermine your own position and show that you're either irrationally biased against Lewis, which in itself is being discriminatory (you keep attacking him, but not for any valid reason, it's just because you don't like him) or you're a very persistant troll.

How on earth does a person's choice of street car purchases relate to viewpoints on F1 driver conduct such as Max, Hamilton, Leclerc or Vettel ?

I've also commented on Ricciardo but don't have a Renault in my stable.

Because you've repeatedly used his association with Merc to attempt to devalue his views by referencing his support of a company with some skeletons in its closet. Yet you support the same company by buying its products, as well as two others who also contributed to the axis war effort. You don't really care what company he works for, you just look for ways to criticize Lewis.

Buying those cars clearly demonstrate someone who supports Nazi and fascist ideology.

If someone truly believes that Lewis cannot both work for Mercedes and sincerely hold and express views that support equality, then actually yes, if they put their money where their mouth is, they wouldn't purchase products from that company unless Merc's past didn't clash with their own personal views.

But no, I don't think Sparta's a fascist. I know for sure that it doesn't matter what Lewis says or who he drives for, Sparta will find some way to criticise him. The reason for this is anybody's guess, but I'm quite sure that Sparta has never shared the real reason on Pistonheads.

[kiseca]

TheDeuce said:

PanicBuyingBogRoll said:

Buying those cars clearly demonstrate someone who supports Nazi and fascist ideology.

Oops... I've got a BMW on the drive. They assisted the Nazi's too...

The problem is, autotrader's website doesn't have a 'zero racial connotations' filter. It's easy to end up with the wrong car

You've got a BMW? I thought you were a nice guy!

[DOCG]

kiseca said:

If someone truly believes that Lewis cannot both work for Mercedes and sincerely hold and express views that support equality, then actually yes, if they put their money where their mouth is, they wouldn't purchase products from that company unless Merc's past didn't clash with their own personal views.

But no, I don't think Sparta's a fascist. I know for sure that it doesn't matter what Lewis says or who he drives for, Sparta will find some way to criticise him. The reason for this is anybody's guess, but I'm quite sure that Sparta has never shared the real reason on Pistonheads.

I dislike the arrogant and pompous Hamilton more than most people but I don't keep going on about it.

[TheDeuce]

kiseca said:

TheDeuce said:

PanicBuyingBogRoll said:

Buying those cars clearly demonstrate someone who supports Nazi and fascist ideology.

Oops... I've got a BMW on the drive. They assisted the Nazi's too...

The problem is, autotrader's website doesn't have a 'zero racial connotations' filter. It's easy to end up with the wrong car

You've got a BMW? I thought you were a nice guy!

BMW drivers are very misunderstood. The only reason we all drive and park like aholes is because people never let us out of side roads - it's a vicious circle

[thegreenhell]

TheDeuce said:

BMW drivers are very misunderstood. The only reason we all drive and park like aholes is because people never let us out of side roads - it's a vicious circle

BMW drivers seem to have mellowed over the last few years. Most of the real s have moved on to driving Audis anyway.

[TheDeuce]

thegreenhell said:

TheDeuce said:

BMW drivers are very misunderstood. The only reason we all drive and park like aholes is because people never let us out of side roads - it's a vicious circle

BMW drivers seem to have mellowed over the last few years. Most of the real s have moved on to driving Audis anyway.

Oh quite a few s still drive Beemers. It's just that BMW sell so many cars these days, their simply aren't enough s to go round anymore.

[HustleRussell]

DOCG said:

HustleRussell said:

While I'm on my soap box, from what limited reading I have done, the initiatives launched by Hamilton and Mercedes appear to be very sensible and holistic in their approach in such a way that it could benefit young BAME people within and without F1. This is very refreshing compared to some of the efforts I have seen to make my backwater of Engineering more inclusive over the years.

What specific aspects of engineering do you think have been exclusive to this point and need changing?

Tell me your angle first?

[DOCG]

HustleRussell said:

Tell me your angle first?

Angle?