Leclerc Twitter statement
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Very good point about why are there not any black top level cyclists. Being brutally honest, black people now dominate a lot of forms of athletics, this is either because they can compete, are attracted to it, or possibly genetic reasons. You rarely see many white top class sprinters these days, or marathon runners, and there have to be numerous reasons for both, linked to genetic makeup, localisations, altitude etc. You see my point, if it's down to athletic ability it seems that black people are inherently more competitive and better suited to SOME athletic sports in some ways, not all.
France is the bastion of cycling, a country very well populated with races of all kinds, yet none ever seem to get into top end cycling teams, interesting.
I hope I have not offended anyone with these comments, they are just my personal, rough observations, not meant to be coarse.
So why no black cyclists? Maybe the same as motorsport, they are just not interested!
France is the bastion of cycling, a country very well populated with races of all kinds, yet none ever seem to get into top end cycling teams, interesting.
I hope I have not offended anyone with these comments, they are just my personal, rough observations, not meant to be coarse.
So why no black cyclists? Maybe the same as motorsport, they are just not interested!
LukeBrown66 said:
To expand a little further after some thought.
Cost is a barrier to the driving side, always has been for any creed, gender. However, being " different" can add to your chances of getting backed financially obviously, we are all aware that a lot of average female racers have lengthy careers simply because of their gender, or perhaps their careers are longer results wise then they ought to be as a result of them being able to be "token" and attract large deals. I have no issue with that, it is about what you can get and find for yourself, it's a dog eat dog world.
But I doubt being black would help in this way.
What I would like to see this foundation do is to find out why black people or even multi cultural people in general are not really interested in motorsport. They seem to like cars, going fast, spending money on them, but have no real desire to watch or participate as much as white men do. As far as I can tell.
Did thousands of black boys and girls suddenly take up golf when Tiger became the biggest thing in sport? Maybe, but so far it has not filtered into the big league that much and neither has black participation because of Lewis in F1 and his success. There is the smattering we have always seen, maybe a higher percentage of black/Asian people involved all round, but not a huge increase, and that has to be a question.
Is it the image? Is it always seeing white success? is it something they have experienced? Is it simply not an interesting sport? I would guess it is linked to youth, fathers, gaming al sorts of things.
I do believe there might be barriers facing young engineers, and that applies to women and men. In my experience motorsport is an incredibly picky business in terms of career, so there might be genuine need for attention there.
But I do NOT believe this is about education, I think firmly that is is simply a cultural interest issue. Same as why f1 did nothing in Turkey, Korea, India, because the people who live there are just not interested in big numbers, they get their sporting kicks elsewhere.
You mentioned it twice now, but can I ask - what is black culture?Cost is a barrier to the driving side, always has been for any creed, gender. However, being " different" can add to your chances of getting backed financially obviously, we are all aware that a lot of average female racers have lengthy careers simply because of their gender, or perhaps their careers are longer results wise then they ought to be as a result of them being able to be "token" and attract large deals. I have no issue with that, it is about what you can get and find for yourself, it's a dog eat dog world.
But I doubt being black would help in this way.
What I would like to see this foundation do is to find out why black people or even multi cultural people in general are not really interested in motorsport. They seem to like cars, going fast, spending money on them, but have no real desire to watch or participate as much as white men do. As far as I can tell.
Did thousands of black boys and girls suddenly take up golf when Tiger became the biggest thing in sport? Maybe, but so far it has not filtered into the big league that much and neither has black participation because of Lewis in F1 and his success. There is the smattering we have always seen, maybe a higher percentage of black/Asian people involved all round, but not a huge increase, and that has to be a question.
Is it the image? Is it always seeing white success? is it something they have experienced? Is it simply not an interesting sport? I would guess it is linked to youth, fathers, gaming al sorts of things.
I do believe there might be barriers facing young engineers, and that applies to women and men. In my experience motorsport is an incredibly picky business in terms of career, so there might be genuine need for attention there.
But I do NOT believe this is about education, I think firmly that is is simply a cultural interest issue. Same as why f1 did nothing in Turkey, Korea, India, because the people who live there are just not interested in big numbers, they get their sporting kicks elsewhere.
Without wishing to be over simplistic.
When it comes to cars I think it is about style, looking good and performance, not racing for a larger majority of black/Asian youth/men. . And as a lot of our younger generation mix so frequently now and rightly so, I also think that is why you are seeing a falling off of interest in some motorsport, maybe younger white guys who hang around with black/asian friends who might in the past have gotten into stuff, now see things differently, take on aspects of other cultures, not what was my background as a white kid in a very white place with very white hobbies!!
I am not sure how you appeal to that demographic, maybe explains why drag racing in lots of countries is very popular as are things like drifting, as it is all about show and in some ways showing off, spending money, very little about winning and racing in the same way that say racing a saloon car is, or the like.
I hope that is not offensive, just merely trying to explain myself around a tricky subject.
It is a general thought, not obviously researched in any great way, just observed ,
When it comes to cars I think it is about style, looking good and performance, not racing for a larger majority of black/Asian youth/men. . And as a lot of our younger generation mix so frequently now and rightly so, I also think that is why you are seeing a falling off of interest in some motorsport, maybe younger white guys who hang around with black/asian friends who might in the past have gotten into stuff, now see things differently, take on aspects of other cultures, not what was my background as a white kid in a very white place with very white hobbies!!
I am not sure how you appeal to that demographic, maybe explains why drag racing in lots of countries is very popular as are things like drifting, as it is all about show and in some ways showing off, spending money, very little about winning and racing in the same way that say racing a saloon car is, or the like.
I hope that is not offensive, just merely trying to explain myself around a tricky subject.
It is a general thought, not obviously researched in any great way, just observed ,
Which Leclerc statement are we on?
Leaving the F1 bubble to go home for a few days is plain ignorant stupidity.
A sign of whats to come once the big head accends to prime spot in the team.
Same for Bottas. You think these blokes understand whats going on but in reality they just think of themselves.
Leaving the F1 bubble to go home for a few days is plain ignorant stupidity.
A sign of whats to come once the big head accends to prime spot in the team.
Same for Bottas. You think these blokes understand whats going on but in reality they just think of themselves.
Fundoreen said:
Which Leclerc statement are we on?
Leaving the F1 bubble to go home for a few days is plain ignorant stupidity.
A sign of whats to come once the big head accends to prime spot in the team.
Same for Bottas. You think these blokes understand whats going on but in reality they just think of themselves.
Well the whole circus is only there serving itself, all it’s interested in is Getting the cash coming in, they don’t give a sLeaving the F1 bubble to go home for a few days is plain ignorant stupidity.
A sign of whats to come once the big head accends to prime spot in the team.
Same for Bottas. You think these blokes understand whats going on but in reality they just think of themselves.
t about public health at all, only the PR disaster that will come from a breakout affecting their revenues! Leclerc’s a selfish dick and his arrogance is apparent, there’s no way he could possibly think he would get away with that....but he doesn’t give a s
t, not one. And if he catches the virus, he’ll likely be fine, a few weeks off and tat will be it. The doctors and nurses that may have to look after him, well maybe not, but who fking cares, so long as he can have a drink and a bit of pasta with his la di da mates back in fking Monaco. And F1 will do absolutely f
k all to him, because they don’t actually care a jot. They’ve put rules in to appease the media and public from a PR perspective only, it will come out soon that Leclerc isn’t the only one breaching the rules, there will be others, from the F1 elite that will be caught out in time, you can bet on it. Same as we had politicians pontificating to the rest of us about staying home, and then doing just as they please. I mean, how f
king hard is it to stay out in Austria for what, a total of 10 days or so? It’s unlikely they’re living on the streets there, or in a sthole B and B? But I’d you really aren’t able to stay put with your team mates and abide by the rules you’ve signed up to, maybe they shouldn’t let you back into Austria at all? Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff