Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

[nickfrog]

Thiscocks doesn't need a mirror. He has Pistonheads. But is he myopic too?

[Arrivalist]

Can I suggest that people just ignore the obvious troll. It would keep the discussion on topic and make for a far more rewarding experience.

[PhilAsia]

nickfrog said:

Thiscocks doesn't need a mirror. He has Pistonheads. But is he myopic too?

If myopia is pathological, yes.

[Megaflow]

White-Noise said:

https://www.youtube.com/live/-95Sb5aeQNM?si=fDC3mW...

Ferrari drivers being announced in Milan with the guys doing some donuts and stuff

Talk about living the dream!

[White-Noise]

Megaflow said:

White-Noise said:

https://www.youtube.com/live/-95Sb5aeQNM?si=fDC3mW...

Ferrari drivers being announced in Milan with the guys doing some donuts and stuff

Talk about living the dream!

It's amazing what some people can achieve isn't it

[thiscocks]

StevieBee said:

thiscocks said:

StevieBee said:

thiscocks said:

StevieBee said:

thiscocks said:

Correct, he didn't. Much like Schumacher they both performed their charity work away from the race track and to a large degree out of public view, certainly out of the F1s circus media. People like Hamilton have to do it with as much media attention as possible, and if that means guilt tripping the whole grid to kneel before a race then so be it- as long as they look like they care. It's called virtue signalling.

You're confusing charity with cause. The two are very different.

Hamilton is one of the top ten biggest individual charity donors in the UK, most of which is never reported or even acknowledged.

Cause is about fostering positive political and societal change. That cannot be done covertly or quietly.

Good for Hamilton giving to his chosen charities, I ofcourse have zero issue with that.

'Cause' in this case being using F1 as a platform for hugely divisive minority social reform groups which have since proven to be founded on very dubious rhetoric.

I assume you are perfectly happy for F1 to turn into a media mouth-peice then, and will happily sit through 30 minuted of flag waving and kneeling for many opposing 'societal change' groups (I presume you would be in favour of a balanced variety of groups) before every race?

The debate can only ever be around the use of a platform to promote a cause, not the cause itself because opinions differ too widely as to what constitutes a just cause.

Your assumption that I'd be happy for "F1 to turn into a media mouth-peice' is incorrect. F1 should be F1. However, if a driver or other notable connected to it wishes to use their fame and influence to influence social change, then good on them. It shows them to have an opinion and a grasp on the reality beyond their little bubble.

The taking the knee is widely misunderstood to be associated solely with the killing of George Floyd as is the Black Lives Matter initiative. The latter was started in 2012 when Trayvon Martin was shot and killed. The motive and case demonstrated racial bias in the most obvious way possible. The taking the knee dates back to the 1700s when Josiah Wedgwood was campaigning against slavery. The incident with Floyd just amplified what was already there.

You may disagree with the intent to stamp out racism and that's for you and your conscience to fight out. But I don't think it's right to castigate Hamilton for using his fame and position to call others out on racism where it exists and the few moments before an F1 race is an ideal time to do so.

You say you want F1 to be F1, much like myself but judging by your last paragraph you would also be happy to sit and watch drivers kneeling for a divisive social reform group campaigning on world wide issues not related to the sport. Slightly contradictory, surely.

I don't know why you think I disagree with the the idea of stamping out racism where it exists, It's the social movement groups, their reasons for and the way they project themselves in a sport I have issue with. If you think a social reform group whose sole way of existing is to stoke division in every corner of every society is the answer to solve racism then that's up to you I guess.

Well, here we all are discussing the subject - against a backdrop of more and more black people and females with primary roles in F1 and elsewhere across Motor Sport.

'Solve' is a big ask of any cause. But progression is possible and evidence shows the issue has benefited from Hamilton's efforts.

We're talking about two minutes of drivers doing something other than standing before a race and if that's what it takes to progress positive change then yep, more than happy with that.

On the issue of a divisive social reform group, I would suggest that racism is significantly more divisive. Change often requires the shaking of trees and the holding up of mirrors.

If positive discrimination programmes are your idea of solving an issue that is not present in the first place then, again, good for you.

If you can be satisfied that people are selected for jobs based on their skin colour I hope the mirror holding thing goes well.

Next on your bucket list - basketball. Very racist sport I'm sure you'll agree.

[Bo_apex]

Jayho said:

Bo_apex said:

Jayho said:

Bo_apex said:

Doesn't everyone drop to their knees for this party pair ?

What may I ask does this old tweet have to do with anything being discussed? Are you suggesting that LH partook in unsavoury parties with Puff Daddy? I mean there's been many tweets mentioning Puff Daddy from the celebrity world. Are you suggesting they've all partaken to the same unsavoury parties doing the same unsavoury things? Or just Lewis?

People keep bashing the clothes worn by LH in this thread but he's a bit of a Plain Jane compared to someone like Jackie Stewart. This tweet proves he can dress smartly for a party.

Are you really sure that's what your post is for? Are you really sure?

What's wrong with posting Hamilton's tweet ?

Maybe his choice of words “love” “brothers” or “goat” could be misconstrued ?

[Jayho]

Bo_apex said:

Jayho said:

Bo_apex said:

Jayho said:

Bo_apex said:

Doesn't everyone drop to their knees for this party pair ?

What may I ask does this old tweet have to do with anything being discussed? Are you suggesting that LH partook in unsavoury parties with Puff Daddy? I mean there's been many tweets mentioning Puff Daddy from the celebrity world. Are you suggesting they've all partaken to the same unsavoury parties doing the same unsavoury things? Or just Lewis?

People keep bashing the clothes worn by LH in this thread but he's a bit of a Plain Jane compared to someone like Jackie Stewart. This tweet proves he can dress smartly for a party.

Are you really sure that's what your post is for? Are you really sure?

What's wrong with posting Hamilton's tweet ?

Maybe his choice of words “love” “brothers” or “goat” could be misconstrued ?

Really don't know if complete trolling or just that dense. It wasn't the posting of the tweet but the comment you made with it. And that was your aim in posting what you posted.

[HighwayStar]

Jayho said:

Bo_apex said:

Jayho said:

Bo_apex said:

Jayho said:

Bo_apex said:

Doesn't everyone drop to their knees for this party pair ?

What may I ask does this old tweet have to do with anything being discussed? Are you suggesting that LH partook in unsavoury parties with Puff Daddy? I mean there's been many tweets mentioning Puff Daddy from the celebrity world. Are you suggesting they've all partaken to the same unsavoury parties doing the same unsavoury things? Or just Lewis?

People keep bashing the clothes worn by LH in this thread but he's a bit of a Plain Jane compared to someone like Jackie Stewart. This tweet proves he can dress smartly for a party.

Are you really sure that's what your post is for? Are you really sure?

What's wrong with posting Hamilton's tweet ?

Maybe his choice of words “love” “brothers” or “goat” could be misconstrued ?

Really don't know if complete trolling or just that dense. It wasn't the posting of the tweet but the comment you made with it. And that was your aim in posting what you posted.

Jayho… He. Does. Not. Care.

[Jayho]

HighwayStar said:

Jayho… He. Does. Not. Care.

Sorry, sorry, you are right. I will ignore from now on.

[Bo_apex]

Jayho said:

Bo_apex said:

Jayho said:

Bo_apex said:

Jayho said:

Bo_apex said:

Doesn't everyone drop to their knees for this party pair ?

What may I ask does this old tweet have to do with anything being discussed? Are you suggesting that LH partook in unsavoury parties with Puff Daddy? I mean there's been many tweets mentioning Puff Daddy from the celebrity world. Are you suggesting they've all partaken to the same unsavoury parties doing the same unsavoury things? Or just Lewis?

People keep bashing the clothes worn by LH in this thread but he's a bit of a Plain Jane compared to someone like Jackie Stewart. This tweet proves he can dress smartly for a party.

Are you really sure that's what your post is for? Are you really sure?

What's wrong with posting Hamilton's tweet ?

Maybe his choice of words “love” “brothers” or “goat” could be misconstrued ?

Really don't know if complete trolling or just that dense. It wasn't the posting of the tweet but the comment you made with it. And that was your aim in posting what you posted.

Gotcha.
Why does anyone post anything at all? Let's ask them

Puff Daddy - the clue was always in the name

[MustangGT]

Bo_apex said:

Gotcha.
Why does anyone post anything at all? Let's ask them

Puff Daddy - the clue was always in the name

Trying to double down now Bo?

[White-Noise]

Bets on Lewis out qualifying and out racing leclerc or vice versa?

I'll go with leclerc out qualifying Lewis and probably out racing him over the course of this year.

Next year I'd hope to see the balance shift.

I'm trying to recall how good Charles is in the wet and according to chatgpt he has never won a wet race (be it his fault or otherwise) that surprises me. That looks to shift the balance in Lewis favour for those rounds

[farm]

Lewis over Lec as he keeps it on the track more

[MustangGT]

farm said:

Lewis over Lec as he keeps it on the track more

This.

[Bo_apex]

MustangGT said:

Bo_apex said:

Gotcha.
Why does anyone post anything at all? Let's ask them

Puff Daddy - the clue was always in the name

Trying to double down now Bo?

Hamilton's tweet is clear enough.

[Jayho]

MustangGT said:

farm said:

Lewis over Lec as he keeps it on the track more

This.

That's been CLC's biggest weakness in my eyes. He's quick, very quick. But he only seems to have 1 mode and that is just pure pushing, treating every lap as a qualy lap when in front. Then when he dials it back down to be "safe", he just seems to lose all speed, especially when going toe to toe.

[Nova Gyna]

Jayho said:

MustangGT said:

farm said:

Lewis over Lec as he keeps it on the track more

This.

That's been CLC's biggest weakness in my eyes. He's quick, very quick. But he only seems to have 1 mode and that is just pure pushing, treating every lap as a qualy lap when in front. Then when he dials it back down to be "safe", he just seems to lose all speed, especially when going toe to toe.

Leclerc’s had his fair share of incidents over the years, but last season, he was impressively clean and put together a strong campaign.

If he carries that kind of form into this season, I reckon Lewis is going to have his hands full.

[Sandpit Steve]

White-Noise said:

Bets on Lewis out qualifying and out racing leclerc or vice versa?

I'll go with leclerc out qualifying Lewis and probably out racing him over the course of this year.

Next year I'd hope to see the balance shift.

I'm trying to recall how good Charles is in the wet and according to chatgpt he has never won a wet race (be it his fault or otherwise) that surprises me. That looks to shift the balance in Lewis favour for those rounds

Leclerc probably wins the qualifying head-to-head for the first half of the season, but Lewis wins the second half as well as the race head-to-head. Ferrari race strategy was better last year than recent history, but I stil expect Lewis to make a few calls himself over the course of the year.

But if the car is as different as we’re led to believe, compared to the ‘24 car, then all bets are off.

[Wills2]

Nova Gyna said:

Wills2 said:

Mercdriver said:

Why do the British put down someone who is successful?

A few odd bods on a small car forum isn't the "The British" Lewis is very popular amongst British F1 fans and the wider public, can you provide any examples of people who are successful being put down? And how did the British put them down?

Blame the press, not the people. Bruno, Beckham, Botham, and Linford Christie, to name a few were vilified in the press, yet almost everyone I know admires their achievements.

Being successful doesn't mean you shouldn't be criticised, it's important to keep a sense of perspective and proportion and not beatify but that is not the same as putting someone down because they are successful.

The press and media the world over operate on a build them up and knock them down strategy it's not exclusive to the UK, those that think it is should get out more often.