Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

[Nova Gyna]

Wills2 said:

Nova Gyna said:

Wills2 said:

Mercdriver said:

Why do the British put down someone who is successful?

A few odd bods on a small car forum isn't the "The British" Lewis is very popular amongst British F1 fans and the wider public, can you provide any examples of people who are successful being put down? And how did the British put them down?

Blame the press, not the people. Bruno, Beckham, Botham, and Linford Christie, to name a few were vilified in the press, yet almost everyone I know admires their achievements.

Being successful doesn't mean you shouldn't be criticised, it's important to keep a sense of perspective and proportion and not beatify but that is not the same as putting someone down because they are successful.

The press and media the world over operate on a build them up and knock them down strategy it's not exclusive to the UK, those that think it is should get out more often.

I think that’s fair. Criticism is fair game, but the UK press has a habit of going beyond that. It’s a toxic cycle, and while other countries do it too, the British tabloids seem to have perfected the art.

[Jayho]

Nova Gyna said:

I think that’s fair. Criticism is fair game, but the UK press has a habit of going beyond that. It’s a toxic cycle, and while other countries do it too, the British tabloids seem to have perfected the art.

I would say it's probably more of an English mentality and English tabloid issue than a British one. North of the border it's mostly managing lower expectations and being encouraging when things are going well.

South of the border it seems to be an expectation for perfection and maybe a bit of over expectation that any little failure is criticized and criticized hard. You see it during the World Cup or the Euro's that when England string a few wins together then immediately the fans, commentators and media are "It's coming home". Then as soon as they lose it's all the fault of (Enter name here).

[PhilAsia]

Jayho said:

Nova Gyna said:

I think that’s fair. Criticism is fair game, but the UK press has a habit of going beyond that. It’s a toxic cycle, and while other countries do it too, the British tabloids seem to have perfected the art.

I would say it's probably more of an English mentality and English tabloid issue than a British one. North of the border it's mostly managing lower expectations and being encouraging when things are going well.

South of the border it seems to be an expectation for perfection and maybe a bit of over expectation that any little failure is criticized and criticized hard. You see it during the World Cup or the Euro's that when England string a few wins together then immediately the fans, commentators and media are "It's coming home". Then as soon as they lose it's all the fault of (PhilAsia).

What next?

[HTP99]

Nova Gyna said:

Jayho said:

MustangGT said:

farm said:

Lewis over Lec as he keeps it on the track more

This.

That's been CLC's biggest weakness in my eyes. He's quick, very quick. But he only seems to have 1 mode and that is just pure pushing, treating every lap as a qualy lap when in front. Then when he dials it back down to be "safe", he just seems to lose all speed, especially when going toe to toe.

Leclerc’s had his fair share of incidents over the years, but last season, he was impressively clean and put together a strong campaign.

If he carries that kind of form into this season, I reckon Lewis is going to have his hands full.

Yes but, if I recall, he wasn't under any particular pressure, it tends to fall apart for him when when he's under it, he over drives and that is when there mistakes appear, I just wonder if he'll be feeling the pressure with Hamilton there who let's face it is supreme under pressure.

I worry LeClerc will try and put a marker down with the GOAT as his new team mate and fail, he will want to prove something which Hamilton doesn't need to!

[Nova Gyna]

HTP99 said:

Nova Gyna said:

Jayho said:

MustangGT said:

farm said:

Lewis over Lec as he keeps it on the track more

This.

That's been CLC's biggest weakness in my eyes. He's quick, very quick. But he only seems to have 1 mode and that is just pure pushing, treating every lap as a qualy lap when in front. Then when he dials it back down to be "safe", he just seems to lose all speed, especially when going toe to toe.

Leclerc’s had his fair share of incidents over the years, but last season, he was impressively clean and put together a strong campaign.

If he carries that kind of form into this season, I reckon Lewis is going to have his hands full.

Yes but, if I recall, he wasn't under any particular pressure, it tends to fall apart for him when when he's under it, he over drives and that is when there mistakes appear, I just wonder if he'll be feeling the pressure with Hamilton there who let's face it is supreme under pressure.

I worry LeClerc will try and put a marker down with the GOAT as his new team mate and fail, he will want to prove something which Hamilton doesn't need to!

It’s going to be a fascinating watch.

[Nova Gyna]

Jayho said:

Nova Gyna said:

I think that’s fair. Criticism is fair game, but the UK press has a habit of going beyond that. It’s a toxic cycle, and while other countries do it too, the British tabloids seem to have perfected the art.

I would say it's probably more of an English mentality and English tabloid issue than a British one. North of the border it's mostly managing lower expectations and being encouraging when things are going well.

South of the border it seems to be an expectation for perfection and maybe a bit of over expectation that any little failure is criticized and criticized hard. You see it during the World Cup or the Euro's that when England string a few wins together then immediately the fans, commentators and media are "It's coming home". Then as soon as they lose it's all the fault of (Enter name here).

The English have always been particularly good at twisting the knife, but then a certain Australian came along and supercharged the nastier elements.

[TheDeuce]

Nova Gyna said:

HTP99 said:

Nova Gyna said:

Jayho said:

MustangGT said:

farm said:

Lewis over Lec as he keeps it on the track more

This.

That's been CLC's biggest weakness in my eyes. He's quick, very quick. But he only seems to have 1 mode and that is just pure pushing, treating every lap as a qualy lap when in front. Then when he dials it back down to be "safe", he just seems to lose all speed, especially when going toe to toe.

Leclerc’s had his fair share of incidents over the years, but last season, he was impressively clean and put together a strong campaign.

If he carries that kind of form into this season, I reckon Lewis is going to have his hands full.

Yes but, if I recall, he wasn't under any particular pressure, it tends to fall apart for him when when he's under it, he over drives and that is when there mistakes appear, I just wonder if he'll be feeling the pressure with Hamilton there who let's face it is supreme under pressure.

I worry LeClerc will try and put a marker down with the GOAT as his new team mate and fail, he will want to prove something which Hamilton doesn't need to!

It’s going to be a fascinating watch.

History suggests that if CLC really, really wants to prove a point, he normally crashes whilst trying. But that's interesting I it's own way I guess

Although you never know, sometimes the push good drivers need to become great drivers is the introduction of potent team mate.

[Nova Gyna]

TheDeuce said:

History suggests that if CLC really, really wants to prove a point, he normally crashes whilst trying. But that's interesting I it's own way I guess

Although you never know, sometimes the push good drivers need to become great drivers is the introduction of potent team mate.

Go and have a look at his stats for last year, there aren’t many better.

[TheDeuce]

Nova Gyna said:

TheDeuce said:

History suggests that if CLC really, really wants to prove a point, he normally crashes whilst trying. But that's interesting I it's own way I guess

Although you never know, sometimes the push good drivers need to become great drivers is the introduction of potent team mate.

Go and have a look at his stats for last year, there aren’t many better.

I agree, he's a very good driver. But throw in a bit of pressure and he's often inclined to find a way to crash or in some other way ruin his weekend.

Some drivers are just a little more highly strung than others. Norris is probably the worst for it - if we ignore people that don't matter such as Lance.

[Nova Gyna]

TheDeuce said:

Nova Gyna said:

TheDeuce said:

History suggests that if CLC really, really wants to prove a point, he normally crashes whilst trying. But that's interesting I it's own way I guess

Although you never know, sometimes the push good drivers need to become great drivers is the introduction of potent team mate.

Go and have a look at his stats for last year, there aren’t many better.

I agree, he's a very good driver. But throw in a bit of pressure and he's often inclined to find a way to crash or in some other way ruin his weekend.

Some drivers are just a little more highly strung than others. Norris is probably the worst for it - if we ignore people that don't matter such as Lance.

I get what you’re saying, but last season doesn’t really support that. He was one of the cleanest drivers on the grid and barely put a foot wrong. If anything, it was Ferrari who ruined more of his weekends than he did.

Like I said, gonna be fascinating watching it all unfold

[TheDeuce]

Nova Gyna said:

TheDeuce said:

Nova Gyna said:

TheDeuce said:

History suggests that if CLC really, really wants to prove a point, he normally crashes whilst trying. But that's interesting I it's own way I guess

Although you never know, sometimes the push good drivers need to become great drivers is the introduction of potent team mate.

Go and have a look at his stats for last year, there aren’t many better.

I agree, he's a very good driver. But throw in a bit of pressure and he's often inclined to find a way to crash or in some other way ruin his weekend.

Some drivers are just a little more highly strung than others. Norris is probably the worst for it - if we ignore people that don't matter such as Lance.

I get what you’re saying, but last season doesn’t really support that. He was one of the cleanest drivers on the grid and barely put a foot wrong. If anything, it was Ferrari who ruined more of his weekends than he did.

Like I said, gonna be fascinating watching it all unfold

It really will be!!

I think it's relevant that last season he and his team mate knew that his team mate was leaving. Long before it was officially discussed, the second they knew that LH was signed they all knew that Sainz was effectively gone.

Not typically competing for wins most weekends and also having a teammate that you know is already toast is a very different scenario to what he will now face this season. Arguably the highest pressure of his career actually, because he was always good enough for F1 and was always destined to be the Ferrari poster boy so long as he at least maintained being 'good enough'. But now he's up against the ultimate F1 driver 'brand' boy, who with a decent showing could quite easily become the new most exciting thing that has happened at the team for a very long time. That's some serious pressure.

Can CLC handle pressure and upset as well as LH? That's the bit I question.

[PhilAsia]

It is the most interesting pairing. And it will be very interesting. In fact, the first quarter of the season will be for the top four teams (if what we have seen us anything to go by), hopefully. As fans we demand it

[MustangGT]

TheDeuce said:

It really will be!!

I think it's relevant that last season he and his team mate knew that his team mate was leaving. Long before it was officially discussed, the second they knew that LH was signed they all knew that Sainz was effectively gone.

Not typically competing for wins most weekends and also having a teammate that you know is already toast is a very different scenario to what he will now face this season. Arguably the highest pressure of his career actually, because he was always good enough for F1 and was always destined to be the Ferrari poster boy so long as he at least maintained being 'good enough'. But now he's up against the ultimate F1 driver 'brand' boy, who with a decent showing could quite easily become the new most exciting thing that has happened at the team for a very long time. That's some serious pressure.

Can CLC handle pressure and upset as well as LH? That's the bit I question.

Very eloquently put, TD.

[Sandpit Steve]

TheDeuce said:

Nova Gyna said:

TheDeuce said:

Nova Gyna said:

TheDeuce said:

History suggests that if CLC really, really wants to prove a point, he normally crashes whilst trying. But that's interesting I it's own way I guess

Although you never know, sometimes the push good drivers need to become great drivers is the introduction of potent team mate.

Go and have a look at his stats for last year, there aren’t many better.

I agree, he's a very good driver. But throw in a bit of pressure and he's often inclined to find a way to crash or in some other way ruin his weekend.

Some drivers are just a little more highly strung than others. Norris is probably the worst for it - if we ignore people that don't matter such as Lance.

I get what you’re saying, but last season doesn’t really support that. He was one of the cleanest drivers on the grid and barely put a foot wrong. If anything, it was Ferrari who ruined more of his weekends than he did.

Like I said, gonna be fascinating watching it all unfold

It really will be!!

I think it's relevant that last season he and his team mate knew that his team mate was leaving. Long before it was officially discussed, the second they knew that LH was signed they all knew that Sainz was effectively gone.

Not typically competing for wins most weekends and also having a teammate that you know is already toast is a very different scenario to what he will now face this season. Arguably the highest pressure of his career actually, because he was always good enough for F1 and was always destined to be the Ferrari poster boy so long as he at least maintained being 'good enough'. But now he's up against the ultimate F1 driver 'brand' boy, who with a decent showing could quite easily become the new most exciting thing that has happened at the team for a very long time. That's some serious pressure.

Can CLC handle pressure and upset as well as LH? That's the bit I question.

Indeed so. Not been so excited for the start of a new season in ages, will be up early this weekend to watch it all.

The dynamic between LH and CL is going to be fascinating. Lewis obviously has nothing to prove and wants to win, and Charles has just about kicked his habit of failing under pressure, but he’s never been under as much pressure as he’s about to get.

Hopefully the race engineers and team strategists have been busy training themselves over the winter, so that they’re no longer the weakest links in the team. Bono never told Lewis that ‘we are checking’, so what extra information did he have on his screen and radio that Ferrari’s race engineers didn’t?

[nickfrog]

I think Lewis still has a lot to prove, mainly they he was let down by his car over the past 3 or 4 seasons.

He has to prove that he still has it in him too at 40. Which I think he has.

On the other hand, Lec probably has even more to prove.

The combo could be very synergetic. Or they may trip over each other regularly! (I don't think so, they're both too smart for that).

[Leithen]

Someone's having too much fun...

https://youtu.be/mR4uDqRzRUM?si=H4fgzzeeAzfwAxDr

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[Digger]

Loved that

Brilliant

[sanguinary]

I've just decided what film to watch this weekend. Loved that, really nicely put together.

[moorx]

Digger said:

Loved that

Brilliant

Fantastic!

[vdn]

Leithen said:

Someone's having too much fun...

https://youtu.be/mR4uDqRzRUM?si=H4fgzzeeAzfwAxDr

embedding forbidden....

Brilliant!!!!