Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)
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RichB said:
angrymoby said:
RichB said:
Am I missing a subtle point about that list because Stewart and Schumacher are missing (and perhaps a few other)?
yes ...it's comparing against team mates
RB Will said:
paulguitar said:
Yes, I did remember that Monaco had seen a change around that part of the track. This makes it more difficult to compare, of course. What I'd really wanted to find was what sort of a lap time something like a Lotus 49 would do around the current Silverstone configuration, so we could compare with the Mercedes 1:24 pole pace, but I was not able to find anything on that. Maybe someone here plays a SIM game or something of that nature and could give some kind of estimate?
A friend of mine races a classic F1 car, can’t remember if the series is Masters or Historic GP but they use current tracks, he got pole at Silverstone last year, you might be able to find the times, I think it was wet though
paulguitar said:
I've found some times the F1 Masters drivers did for the 2018 Silverstone Classic on the full current circuit. Pole was Nick Padmore in the dry 1:55.3 in a Williams FW07, which I believe is the car Alan Jones won the title with in 1980. So, 31 seconds shy of the 2019 Hamilton pole in the W10. Obviously, Hamilton would account for some of that gap, but there are some handy drivers in the Masters, Martin Stretton, et al. It's pretty astonishing to see just how crazy the gap is to the current cars.
And the historics use a slightly different circuit layout, with a much faster entry into Club than the tight Vale corner used in F1.thegreenhell said:
paulguitar said:
thegreenhell said:
And the historics use a slightly different circuit layout, with a much faster entry into Club than the tight Vale corner used in F1.
Ah, so they stay to the left and skip the very slow Vale lefthander?
I also wish the current F1 cars got to use that layout to miss out Vale, it's almost a dead stop. I found it very irritating when I did a track day a few years ago.
M5-911 said:
I think that Toto shut the debates :
“I don’t want to allow these voices that say ‘well he drives a Mercedes, it’s obvious that he wins these races’.
“Well the drivers who say that, they should try and analyze why they haven’t found their way into a Mercedes"
How does this explain Bottas ?“I don’t want to allow these voices that say ‘well he drives a Mercedes, it’s obvious that he wins these races’.
“Well the drivers who say that, they should try and analyze why they haven’t found their way into a Mercedes"
Better drivers require Toto as their manager ?
paulguitar said:
Bo_apex said:
How does this explain Bottas ?
Better drivers require Toto as their manager ?
He has an equal opportunity to Hamilton. He's just not as good, as is the case with all of Hamilton's teammates.Better drivers require Toto as their manager ?
“Well the drivers who say that, they should try and analyze why they haven’t found their way into a Mercedes"
Bo_apex said:
I was referring to this quote;
“Well the drivers who say that, they should try and analyze why they haven’t found their way into a Mercedes"
I think that when Bottas joined the team, Toto had high hopes for him. He was doing great at Williams. In term of qualification, appart from Hamilton and Max, I don't think that any other drivers can match Bottas.“Well the drivers who say that, they should try and analyze why they haven’t found their way into a Mercedes"
Race wise, Hamilton is on another planet and it must have affected him greatly from day one. His confidence plummeted.
After all that is the reason why Jos Verstapen did not want Max to join Mercedes in 2017, he said that it was to tricky to put Max agaisnt Lewis as it could completely distabilize Max and take is confidence away. (I'll try to find the article online as it will be better worded than my foreign English writing). Mind, it could have gone the other way as well.
Bo_apex said:
paulguitar said:
Bo_apex said:
How does this explain Bottas ?
Better drivers require Toto as their manager ?
He has an equal opportunity to Hamilton. He's just not as good, as is the case with all of Hamilton's teammates.Better drivers require Toto as their manager ?
“Well the drivers who say that, they should try and analyze why they haven’t found their way into a Mercedes"
It's always been that way and always will be, otherwise Toto could save a lot of money by putting Mazepin in the seat.
M5-911 said:
Bo_apex said:
I was referring to this quote;
“Well the drivers who say that, they should try and analyze why they haven’t found their way into a Mercedes"
I think that when Bottas joined the team, Toto had high hopes for him. He was doing great at Williams. In term of qualification, appart from Hamilton and Max, I don't think that any other drivers can match Bottas.“Well the drivers who say that, they should try and analyze why they haven’t found their way into a Mercedes"
Race wise, Hamilton is on another planet and it must have affected him greatly from day one. His confidence plummeted.
After all that is the reason why Jos Verstapen did not want Max to join Mercedes in 2017, he said that it was to tricky to put Max agaisnt Lewis as it could completely distabilize Max and take is confidence away. (I'll try to find the article online as it will be better worded than my foreign English writing). Mind, it could have gone the other way as well.
Was Max still a teenager in '16/'17 ?
Probably too young for a Mercedes seat.
There are several drivers who race better than Bottas and Toto's statement comes across somewhat embellished.
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