Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)
Discussion
Bo_apex said:
M5-911 said:
Bo_apex said:
I was referring to this quote;
“Well the drivers who say that, they should try and analyze why they haven’t found their way into a Mercedes"
I think that when Bottas joined the team, Toto had high hopes for him. He was doing great at Williams. In term of qualification, appart from Hamilton and Max, I don't think that any other drivers can match Bottas.“Well the drivers who say that, they should try and analyze why they haven’t found their way into a Mercedes"
Race wise, Hamilton is on another planet and it must have affected him greatly from day one. His confidence plummeted.
After all that is the reason why Jos Verstapen did not want Max to join Mercedes in 2017, he said that it was to tricky to put Max agaisnt Lewis as it could completely distabilize Max and take is confidence away. (I'll try to find the article online as it will be better worded than my foreign English writing). Mind, it could have gone the other way as well.
Was Max still a teenager in '16/'17 ?
Probably too young for a Mercedes seat.
There are several drivers who race better than Bottas and Toto's statement comes across somewhat embellished.
MarkwG said:
Bo_apex said:
M5-911 said:
Bo_apex said:
I was referring to this quote;
“Well the drivers who say that, they should try and analyze why they haven’t found their way into a Mercedes"
I think that when Bottas joined the team, Toto had high hopes for him. He was doing great at Williams. In term of qualification, appart from Hamilton and Max, I don't think that any other drivers can match Bottas.“Well the drivers who say that, they should try and analyze why they haven’t found their way into a Mercedes"
Race wise, Hamilton is on another planet and it must have affected him greatly from day one. His confidence plummeted.
After all that is the reason why Jos Verstapen did not want Max to join Mercedes in 2017, he said that it was to tricky to put Max agaisnt Lewis as it could completely distabilize Max and take is confidence away. (I'll try to find the article online as it will be better worded than my foreign English writing). Mind, it could have gone the other way as well.
Was Max still a teenager in '16/'17 ?
Probably too young for a Mercedes seat.
There are several drivers who race better than Bottas and Toto's statement comes across somewhat embellished.
Graveworm said:
glazbagun said:
Prost beating Lauda & Senna.
Nico beating Lewis.
Anyone else?
That years champion obviously none.Nico beating Lewis.
Anyone else?
Or did you mean previous?
In which case there are more than that.
Edited by glazbagun on Wednesday 14th October 15:44
HighwayStar said:
MarkwG said:
Bo_apex said:
M5-911 said:
Bo_apex said:
I was referring to this quote;
“Well the drivers who say that, they should try and analyze why they haven’t found their way into a Mercedes"
I think that when Bottas joined the team, Toto had high hopes for him. He was doing great at Williams. In term of qualification, appart from Hamilton and Max, I don't think that any other drivers can match Bottas.“Well the drivers who say that, they should try and analyze why they haven’t found their way into a Mercedes"
Race wise, Hamilton is on another planet and it must have affected him greatly from day one. His confidence plummeted.
After all that is the reason why Jos Verstapen did not want Max to join Mercedes in 2017, he said that it was to tricky to put Max agaisnt Lewis as it could completely distabilize Max and take is confidence away. (I'll try to find the article online as it will be better worded than my foreign English writing). Mind, it could have gone the other way as well.
Was Max still a teenager in '16/'17 ?
Probably too young for a Mercedes seat.
There are several drivers who race better than Bottas and Toto's statement comes across somewhat embellished.
Lewis taught me something today. He posted a picture which looked like some sort of horrific sci-fi future with loads of crabs lined up in a lab being drained of blue blood.
Happy to admit my first thought was 'oh Lewis, what nonsense is this?'
Then did my research and realised it's absolutely a thing and I've almost certainly benefited (indirectly) from that blue blood at some point in my life.
Happy to admit my first thought was 'oh Lewis, what nonsense is this?'
Then did my research and realised it's absolutely a thing and I've almost certainly benefited (indirectly) from that blue blood at some point in my life.
paulguitar said:
Some very interesting info (although ten years old) here:
https://www.motorsportsetc.com/info/spd_mon.htm
To update to recent times...
Hamilton's pole lap time Monaco 2019 1:10.166.
Ayton Senna 1989 pole 1:22.308
Jim Clark pole 1964 1:34
So Clark to Hamilton, lap time difference, 24 seconds. The difference in machinery is such that Clark would be lapped every three tours of the Monaco circuit...
These times, of course, do not in any way to diminish the efforts of Clark or any other drivers from times past, just demonstrate how completely different eras are. The 1960's drivers would have had very low g forces from the tyres of the time, and very little downforce. On the other hand, they knew if they made a mistake they were very likely to be in serious trouble.
I think that if Clark was driving today he'd be brilliant, and if Hamilton was driving in the 1960s, he'd be brilliant too. We have no real way of knowing that though.
The mental load for Hamilton’s lap is significantly higher than it was for Clark or Senna. Pretty sure Lewis would be within a few 1/10s of Clark and Senna times in their cars in a few laps. Just can’t conceive that is possible the other way round. https://www.motorsportsetc.com/info/spd_mon.htm
To update to recent times...
Hamilton's pole lap time Monaco 2019 1:10.166.
Ayton Senna 1989 pole 1:22.308
Jim Clark pole 1964 1:34
So Clark to Hamilton, lap time difference, 24 seconds. The difference in machinery is such that Clark would be lapped every three tours of the Monaco circuit...
These times, of course, do not in any way to diminish the efforts of Clark or any other drivers from times past, just demonstrate how completely different eras are. The 1960's drivers would have had very low g forces from the tyres of the time, and very little downforce. On the other hand, they knew if they made a mistake they were very likely to be in serious trouble.
I think that if Clark was driving today he'd be brilliant, and if Hamilton was driving in the 1960s, he'd be brilliant too. We have no real way of knowing that though.
I Like Tea said:
paulguitar said:
Some very interesting info (although ten years old) here:
https://www.motorsportsetc.com/info/spd_mon.htm
To update to recent times...
Hamilton's pole lap time Monaco 2019 1:10.166.
Ayton Senna 1989 pole 1:22.308
Jim Clark pole 1964 1:34
So Clark to Hamilton, lap time difference, 24 seconds. The difference in machinery is such that Clark would be lapped every three tours of the Monaco circuit...
These times, of course, do not in any way to diminish the efforts of Clark or any other drivers from times past, just demonstrate how completely different eras are. The 1960's drivers would have had very low g forces from the tyres of the time, and very little downforce. On the other hand, they knew if they made a mistake they were very likely to be in serious trouble.
I think that if Clark was driving today he'd be brilliant, and if Hamilton was driving in the 1960s, he'd be brilliant too. We have no real way of knowing that though.
The mental load for Hamilton’s lap is significantly higher than it was for Clark or Senna. Pretty sure Lewis would be within a few 1/10s of Clark and Senna times in their cars in a few laps. Just can’t conceive that is possible the other way round. https://www.motorsportsetc.com/info/spd_mon.htm
To update to recent times...
Hamilton's pole lap time Monaco 2019 1:10.166.
Ayton Senna 1989 pole 1:22.308
Jim Clark pole 1964 1:34
So Clark to Hamilton, lap time difference, 24 seconds. The difference in machinery is such that Clark would be lapped every three tours of the Monaco circuit...
These times, of course, do not in any way to diminish the efforts of Clark or any other drivers from times past, just demonstrate how completely different eras are. The 1960's drivers would have had very low g forces from the tyres of the time, and very little downforce. On the other hand, they knew if they made a mistake they were very likely to be in serious trouble.
I think that if Clark was driving today he'd be brilliant, and if Hamilton was driving in the 1960s, he'd be brilliant too. We have no real way of knowing that though.
All drivers, all of us in general, are products of our time
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