Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

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Graveworm

8,476 posts

70 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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kiseca said:
Patrese beat reigning champion Piquet in 1982.
Hamilton beat Alonso and Button.


Nampahc Niloc

910 posts

77 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Graveworm said:
kiseca said:
Patrese beat reigning champion Piquet in 1982.
Hamilton beat Alonso and Button.
And Button beat Hamilton. I’m not sure where we’re going with this?

thegreenhell

15,115 posts

218 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Nampahc Niloc said:
And Button beat Hamilton. I’m not sure where we’re going with this?
Around in circles, I think.

angrymoby

2,605 posts

177 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Nampahc Niloc said:
And Button beat Hamilton. I’m not sure where we’re going with this?
Hamilton wasn't a reigning champion when Button beat him ...where as Alonso (2006 champion) & Button (2009) were

MarkwG

4,812 posts

188 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Bo_apex said:
M5-911 said:
Bo_apex said:
I was referring to this quote;
“Well the drivers who say that, they should try and analyze why they haven’t found their way into a Mercedes"
I think that when Bottas joined the team, Toto had high hopes for him. He was doing great at Williams. In term of qualification, appart from Hamilton and Max, I don't think that any other drivers can match Bottas.
Race wise, Hamilton is on another planet and it must have affected him greatly from day one. His confidence plummeted.

After all that is the reason why Jos Verstapen did not want Max to join Mercedes in 2017, he said that it was to tricky to put Max agaisnt Lewis as it could completely distabilize Max and take is confidence away. (I'll try to find the article online as it will be better worded than my foreign English writing). Mind, it could have gone the other way as well.
Massa was sadly never the same after that missile fractured his skull so I'm not surprised Bottas got the run.

Was Max still a teenager in '16/'17 ?
Probably too young for a Mercedes seat.

There are several drivers who race better than Bottas and Toto's statement comes across somewhat embellished.
That's only with the benefit of hindsight: if any drivers career path was linear & predictable, there'd be no point in racing or watching...he was the best option with the most potential at the time he was signed.

HighwayStar

4,216 posts

143 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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MarkwG said:
Bo_apex said:
M5-911 said:
Bo_apex said:
I was referring to this quote;
“Well the drivers who say that, they should try and analyze why they haven’t found their way into a Mercedes"
I think that when Bottas joined the team, Toto had high hopes for him. He was doing great at Williams. In term of qualification, appart from Hamilton and Max, I don't think that any other drivers can match Bottas.
Race wise, Hamilton is on another planet and it must have affected him greatly from day one. His confidence plummeted.

After all that is the reason why Jos Verstapen did not want Max to join Mercedes in 2017, he said that it was to tricky to put Max agaisnt Lewis as it could completely distabilize Max and take is confidence away. (I'll try to find the article online as it will be better worded than my foreign English writing). Mind, it could have gone the other way as well.
Massa was sadly never the same after that missile fractured his skull so I'm not surprised Bottas got the run.

Was Max still a teenager in '16/'17 ?
Probably too young for a Mercedes seat.

There are several drivers who race better than Bottas and Toto's statement comes across somewhat embellished.
That's only with the benefit of hindsight: if any drivers career path was linear & predictable, there'd be no point in racing or watching...he was the best option with the most potential at the time he was signed.
Besides, no disrespect to Bottas but my take on what Totto said was more in respect of Lewis.

kiseca

9,339 posts

218 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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thegreenhell said:
Nampahc Niloc said:
And Button beat Hamilton. I’m not sure where we’re going with this?
Around in circles, I think.
We're listing drivers who beat a reigning champion team mate.

glazbagun

14,259 posts

196 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Graveworm said:
glazbagun said:
Prost beating Lauda & Senna.
Nico beating Lewis.

Anyone else?
That years champion obviously none.
Or did you mean previous?
In which case there are more than that.
Previous years champion whilst driving the same car. Amazingly I forgot about Lewis as he didn't win that year. I wonder if he'd give up two or thee WDCs to be the only rookie champion ever?


Edited by glazbagun on Wednesday 14th October 15:44

Bo_apex

2,506 posts

217 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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HighwayStar said:
MarkwG said:
Bo_apex said:
M5-911 said:
Bo_apex said:
I was referring to this quote;
“Well the drivers who say that, they should try and analyze why they haven’t found their way into a Mercedes"
I think that when Bottas joined the team, Toto had high hopes for him. He was doing great at Williams. In term of qualification, appart from Hamilton and Max, I don't think that any other drivers can match Bottas.
Race wise, Hamilton is on another planet and it must have affected him greatly from day one. His confidence plummeted.

After all that is the reason why Jos Verstapen did not want Max to join Mercedes in 2017, he said that it was to tricky to put Max agaisnt Lewis as it could completely distabilize Max and take is confidence away. (I'll try to find the article online as it will be better worded than my foreign English writing). Mind, it could have gone the other way as well.
Massa was sadly never the same after that missile fractured his skull so I'm not surprised Bottas got the run.

Was Max still a teenager in '16/'17 ?
Probably too young for a Mercedes seat.

There are several drivers who race better than Bottas and Toto's statement comes across somewhat embellished.
That's only with the benefit of hindsight: if any drivers career path was linear & predictable, there'd be no point in racing or watching...he was the best option with the most potential at the time he was signed.
Besides, no disrespect to Bottas but my take on what Totto said was more in respect of Lewis.
IIRC it was Hulk next in line if Hamilton didn't take the Mercedes seat


Fundoreen

4,180 posts

82 months

Thursday 15th October 2020
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Alonso beat Lewis most of his ferrari years thus erasing bad memories at mclaren. But vettel was in the better car so beat them both.
Life can be like that.

The Moose

22,821 posts

208 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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I like the stat that only 4 teams have more wins than Lewis!

RB Will

9,662 posts

239 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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Wonder how many drivers that applies to?

The Moose

22,821 posts

208 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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Only 2.

RB Will

9,662 posts

239 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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You’re right. I just checked and I grossly underestimated how many wins a few teams had, I was expecting the big 4 to be miles ahead and for all the other constructors to have 15 or less wins.

Deesee

8,331 posts

82 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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Nice find here from Reddit, Kovalianen only had one season with LH, did ok considering the company..

McMerc poles 2007 to 2012..




vdn

8,905 posts

202 months

Saturday 17th October 2020
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Deesee said:
Nice find here from Reddit, Kovalianen only had one season with LH, did ok considering the company..

McMerc poles 2007 to 2012..



Nice !

ch37

10,642 posts

220 months

Saturday 17th October 2020
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Lewis taught me something today. He posted a picture which looked like some sort of horrific sci-fi future with loads of crabs lined up in a lab being drained of blue blood.

Happy to admit my first thought was 'oh Lewis, what nonsense is this?'

Then did my research and realised it's absolutely a thing and I've almost certainly benefited (indirectly) from that blue blood at some point in my life.

Polite M135 driver

1,853 posts

83 months

Saturday 17th October 2020
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Arthropods have copper based oxygen transport proteins, unlike the iron based haemoglobin we have!

I Like Tea

175 posts

223 months

Saturday 17th October 2020
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paulguitar said:
Some very interesting info (although ten years old) here:

https://www.motorsportsetc.com/info/spd_mon.htm

To update to recent times...


Hamilton's pole lap time Monaco 2019 1:10.166.

Ayton Senna 1989 pole 1:22.308

Jim Clark pole 1964 1:34

So Clark to Hamilton, lap time difference, 24 seconds. eek The difference in machinery is such that Clark would be lapped every three tours of the Monaco circuit...

These times, of course, do not in any way to diminish the efforts of Clark or any other drivers from times past, just demonstrate how completely different eras are. The 1960's drivers would have had very low g forces from the tyres of the time, and very little downforce. On the other hand, they knew if they made a mistake they were very likely to be in serious trouble.

I think that if Clark was driving today he'd be brilliant, and if Hamilton was driving in the 1960s, he'd be brilliant too. We have no real way of knowing that though. smile








The mental load for Hamilton’s lap is significantly higher than it was for Clark or Senna. Pretty sure Lewis would be within a few 1/10s of Clark and Senna times in their cars in a few laps. Just can’t conceive that is possible the other way round.

TheDeuce

21,274 posts

65 months

Saturday 17th October 2020
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I Like Tea said:
paulguitar said:
Some very interesting info (although ten years old) here:

https://www.motorsportsetc.com/info/spd_mon.htm

To update to recent times...


Hamilton's pole lap time Monaco 2019 1:10.166.

Ayton Senna 1989 pole 1:22.308

Jim Clark pole 1964 1:34

So Clark to Hamilton, lap time difference, 24 seconds. eek The difference in machinery is such that Clark would be lapped every three tours of the Monaco circuit...

These times, of course, do not in any way to diminish the efforts of Clark or any other drivers from times past, just demonstrate how completely different eras are. The 1960's drivers would have had very low g forces from the tyres of the time, and very little downforce. On the other hand, they knew if they made a mistake they were very likely to be in serious trouble.

I think that if Clark was driving today he'd be brilliant, and if Hamilton was driving in the 1960s, he'd be brilliant too. We have no real way of knowing that though. smile








The mental load for Hamilton’s lap is significantly higher than it was for Clark or Senna. Pretty sure Lewis would be within a few 1/10s of Clark and Senna times in their cars in a few laps. Just can’t conceive that is possible the other way round.
But if they were driving today they would have grown up in the same generation as Lewis and would be used to the modern pace of life in general, along with the same standards in training etc...

All drivers, all of us in general, are products of our time smile