Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

[macdeb]

swisstoni said:

playamonte said:

Now and again I watch Hamiltons early career in karts that are available on YouTube just to remind myself how good he is & has been from day 1.
Is he the G.O.A.T, well he is certainly up there in the running and the line up is few in number, but time will tell.

When I watch a racing car driven by Hamilton you can always tell it’s him. The car has a certain attitude to it.
Hard to explain.
I could always tell a car driven by Mansell for similar reasons.

^^^^ I so hope he takes the title this year as he has had to compete against two major teams. Red Bull and the FIA. Go Lewis!!.

[Pugaris]

vdn said:

Fury and Hamilton are both supreme and sport defining talents. Kudos to them both.

Hamilton has achieved so much more, though. I think it's about time some people starting giving him the credit he's due.

Hamilton is in the conversation for the greatest ever F1 driver, along with 2 or 3 more names.

There are brackets of greatness in sports and Hamilton is several above Fury.

You've got the rarest of the rare - people who are the undisputed GOAT of their sport. Michael Jordan, Don Bradman, Usain Bolt, Serena Williams. People who are pretty much universally recognised as the greatest ever in their sport.

Then you've got the bracket Hamilton is in - people who are in the discussion for the GOAT but there's dispute. In boxing, that's not Tyson Fury it's Muhammed Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson. For F1 it's Hamilton, Schumacher, Fangio and Clarke. Football? Messi, Ronaldo, Pele and Maradona.

Then you have people who were the greatest in their era but definitely not of all time, Tyson Fury still isn't in this bracket - he's not proven himself to be the greatest HW boxer of his generation and he's definitely not the greatest of his era across all weight divisions. Canelo, Usyk and Ward are well ahead of him there and from the era just before Fury isn't on Mayweather or Pacqiauo's level.

Below that, you've got people like Fury.

Edited by Pugaris on Monday 22 November 15:14

[playamonte]

Pugaris said:

Hamilton has achieved so much more, though. I think it's about time some people starting giving him the credit he's due.

Hamilton is in the conversation for the greatest ever F1 driver, along with 2 or 3 more names.



Then you've got the bracket Hamilton is in - people who are in the discussion for the GOAT but there's dispute. In boxing, that's not Tyson Fury it's Muhammed Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson. For F1 it's Hamilton, Schumacher, Fangio and Clarke. Football? Messi, Ronaldo, Pele and Maradona.


Below that, you've got people like Fury.

Edited by Pugaris on Monday 22 November 15:14

I used to be a Schumacher fan until the day he decided to take Hills championship for himself, for me (and many others so I read) that was the last straw as none of the others would (IMO) stoop to that level.

[Bo_apex]

Pugaris said:

vdn said:

Fury and Hamilton are both supreme and sport defining talents. Kudos to them both.

Hamilton has achieved so much more, though. I think it's about time some people starting giving him the credit he's due.

Hamilton is in the conversation for the greatest ever F1 driver, along with 2 or 3 more names.

There are brackets of greatness in sports and Hamilton is several above Fury.

You've got the rarest of the rare - people who are the undisputed GOAT of their sport. Michael Jordan, Don Bradman, Usain Bolt, Serena Williams. People who are pretty much universally recognised as the greatest ever in their sport.

Then you've got the bracket Hamilton is in - people who are in the discussion for the GOAT but there's dispute. In boxing, that's not Tyson Fury it's Muhammed Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson. For F1 it's Hamilton, Schumacher, Fangio and Clarke. Football? Messi, Ronaldo, Pele and Maradona.

Then you have people who were the greatest in their era but definitely not of all time, Tyson Fury still isn't in this bracket - he's not proven himself to be the greatest HW boxer of his generation and he's definitely not the greatest of his era across all weight divisions. Canelo, Usyk and Ward are well ahead of him there and from the era just before Fury isn't on Mayweather or Pacqiauo's level.

Below that, you've got people like Fury.

Edited by Pugaris on Monday 22 November 15:14

Fury is 32 wins with 0 losses. Where is Joshua ?

I must've missed the Mayweather / Pacman heavyweight fights.

[Siao]

BlackPrince said:

Siao said:

But I do not like his personality outside the track (and one doesn't have to really, I watch F1 for the driving, not taking any of these guys out for a beer), so what does that make me? A hater? Or an anti? Of course not, that would be daft. I only judge his driving when talking about him in the F1 frame.

And I think this is the difference. People cannot distinguish between the 2. Fanboys find everything great, haters just hate him all the same. I guess I am an anomaly, maybe

and what personality is that, in your view?

What a weird comment. What do you mean? It's whatever info we get from the media. I do not personally know the guy nor any other driver.

[Pugaris]

Bo_apex said:

Fury is 32 wins with 0 losses. Where is Joshua ?

I must've missed the Mayweather / Pacman heavyweight fights.

Fury won't confirm himself as the best HW of his generation until he fights Usyk.

Even if he does beat him, that would only make him the best HW of his generation, boxing has other weight classes and he's nowhere near the biggest star or the best boxer of his generation.

Hamilton is the best F1 driver of his generation no doubt and he's possibly the best of all time. It's insulting to compare the 2 of them.

Also unbeaten records in boxing require the context of who they've fought. There are worse boxers than Fury who have gone 30 odd fights unbeaten and there are better ones with losses on their records.

[CustardOnChips]

Fury being compared to Lewis

That’s nearly as funny as the comment about Tiger not being in the conversation.

Lewis and Tiger are in a different stratosphere in their respective sports compared to Fury.

[LostM135idriver]

If I wanted to see people thumping each other I’d go and watch BTCC.

PS have you ever tried custard on chips?

Edited by LostM135idriver on Monday 22 November 19:49

[CustardOnChips]

LostM135idriver said:

PS have you ever tried custard on chips?

I have, and it is surprisingly delicious. Hence the username.

[MustangGT]

macdeb said:

^^^^ I so hope he takes the title this year as he has had to compete against two major teams. Red Bull and the FIA. Go Lewis!!.

Indeed, mind you he has already done that in 2008 so has the necessary experience

[jimPH]

MarkwG said:

saaby93 said:

hot metal said:

John Watson, Long Beach 1983, won from 22nd

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhvkrgTXQR4

A hell of a race, but only 11 cars actually finished in one piece, although 13 were categorised: almost half had retired by lap 48 . Contrast with last Sunday, 18 finished, with all still running until lap 47. Both great achievements anyway.

Perez was last on lap 7 at the Sakhir Grand Prix, 2020 and won in a racing point.

[RB Will]

What if it was like father like son?

[oyster]

playamonte said:

Pugaris said:

Hamilton has achieved so much more, though. I think it's about time some people starting giving him the credit he's due.

Hamilton is in the conversation for the greatest ever F1 driver, along with 2 or 3 more names.



Then you've got the bracket Hamilton is in - people who are in the discussion for the GOAT but there's dispute. In boxing, that's not Tyson Fury it's Muhammed Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson. For F1 it's Hamilton, Schumacher, Fangio and Clarke. Football? Messi, Ronaldo, Pele and Maradona.


Below that, you've got people like Fury.

Edited by Pugaris on Monday 22 November 15:14

I used to be a Schumacher fan until the day he decided to take Hills championship for himself, for me (and many others so I read) that was the last straw as none of the others would (IMO) stoop to that level.

Of a 19-year F1 career, the clash was in only his 4th season - can’t exactly say you wereca lifelong fan before that moment!

[oyster]

Maybe just me, but Hamilton and Alonso looked a little frosty on the Podium in Qatar. Lewis appeared more chatty with Max.

Like I said, maybe just the way the C4 highlights showed it.

[RB Will]

Well aren’t you a charmer

[LostM135idriver]

Interesting article/interview about LH’s approach: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-i-want...

He mentions understanding the psychology of his competitors in order to understand how/why they’ll race on track.

Can you say attention to detail?

[farm]

I remember an article from SV's succesful period about while most folk took a break in the winter he had gone to visit Pirreli etc

[Blue62]

oyster said:

Of a 19-year F1 career, the clash was in only his 4th season - can’t exactly say you wereca lifelong fan before that moment!

Indeed, it was the moment I changed my view of Schumacher but almost pushing Barichello into the pit wall at top speed was one of the most shocking pieces of driving I’ve witnessed in F1.

[LostM135idriver]

farm said:

I remember an article from SV's succesful period about while most folk took a break in the winter he had gone to visit Pirreli etc

I think the best people in every field are those who can see the big picture whilst also not giving up on the details. Think Steve Jobs, Gordon Murray, the best racing drivers, maybe Ron Dennis, for a while (too much detail?), and me.

[PhilAsia]

LostM135idriver said:

Interesting article/interview about LH’s approach: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-i-want...

He mentions understanding the psychology of his competitors in order to understand how/why they’ll race on track.

Can you say attention to detail?

Very contemplative and mature.

I think Lewis is one of the cleanest WDC I have ever seen 1960s-2022. Others will disagree