Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)
Discussion
freedman said:
paulguitar said:
Bo_apex said:
Irvine was a top tier driver on that same grid.
Irvine was a journeyman.Bo_apex said:
You may have also noticed that Schumacher would never criticise the car or his team.
Didn't have any issue ramming his fellow drivers off the track though.They were more interested in Schumacher than Irvine, even though only one had a championship chance
Having said that, he was not a bad driver at all. I'd class him as a Rubens/Webber/Ralf/DC level; he could win on his day, but these days didn't come often enough to mount a continuous WDC challenge.
TobyTR, deary me man.
Speaking as though you have a higher intellect than others and choice picking your information doesn't make your opinion more valid than anyone else's. Everyone is entitled to their own, and they shouldn't have to have theirs berated or belittled for it differing to yours.
The brown nosing of Lewis in this thread is high, but equally the bashing of Lewis is just the same. Quite clearly you're a Schuey fan and the idea of Lewis being in the same sentence as your saintly figure upsets you.
Some people really take this forum game to seriously, it would be interesting to see if you had the stomach for your attitude and entitlement in a friendly pub chat
Speaking as though you have a higher intellect than others and choice picking your information doesn't make your opinion more valid than anyone else's. Everyone is entitled to their own, and they shouldn't have to have theirs berated or belittled for it differing to yours.
The brown nosing of Lewis in this thread is high, but equally the bashing of Lewis is just the same. Quite clearly you're a Schuey fan and the idea of Lewis being in the same sentence as your saintly figure upsets you.
Some people really take this forum game to seriously, it would be interesting to see if you had the stomach for your attitude and entitlement in a friendly pub chat
Siao said:
They had already shifted focus to the 2000 car if I remember correctly. But no one would have guessed that Macca would have dropped the ball enough to put Ferrari back into contention. Mika had Irvine mostly beaten when both finished, but he binned it from the lead in Italy, had a tyre failure in Germany and had Irvine being gifted two wins by his team mates. The difference between the two drivers was stark: Mika had 5 retirements that year to Eddie's 1 and he still won the WDC. Eddie needed a lot of help/luck to make it where he ended.
Having said that, he was not a bad driver at all. I'd class him as a Rubens/Webber/Ralf/DC level; he could win on his day, but these days didn't come often enough to mount a continuous WDC challenge.
Italy looked painful for Mika.Having said that, he was not a bad driver at all. I'd class him as a Rubens/Webber/Ralf/DC level; he could win on his day, but these days didn't come often enough to mount a continuous WDC challenge.
I think Irvine had similar tenacity to Webber.
Senna was picky in who he punched
paulguitar said:
I don't think Senna was intending to be violent, he just found Irvine's attitude insufferable.
In fairness, Irvine was a cocky young gun. Plus Senna was of the opinion that Irvine should 'show some respect' and kowtow to him, and Irvine was the kind of person who would laugh in the face of such an idea. And, indeed, did. I wouldn't be surprised if it came out that Irvine told Senna to f
k off to his face, and that was the reason for Senna throwing a punch. Bo_apex said:
Siao said:
They had already shifted focus to the 2000 car if I remember correctly. But no one would have guessed that Macca would have dropped the ball enough to put Ferrari back into contention. Mika had Irvine mostly beaten when both finished, but he binned it from the lead in Italy, had a tyre failure in Germany and had Irvine being gifted two wins by his team mates. The difference between the two drivers was stark: Mika had 5 retirements that year to Eddie's 1 and he still won the WDC. Eddie needed a lot of help/luck to make it where he ended.
Having said that, he was not a bad driver at all. I'd class him as a Rubens/Webber/Ralf/DC level; he could win on his day, but these days didn't come often enough to mount a continuous WDC challenge.
Italy looked painful for Mika.Having said that, he was not a bad driver at all. I'd class him as a Rubens/Webber/Ralf/DC level; he could win on his day, but these days didn't come often enough to mount a continuous WDC challenge.
I think Irvine had similar tenacity to Webber.
Senna was picky in who he punched
paulguitar said:
Bo_apex said:
Senna was picky in who he punched
I don't think Senna was intending to be violent, he just found Irvine's attitude insufferable. Siao said:
Senna did the same with Schumacher (not the punching bit though); whenever he felt threatened by a young pretender, he took them to the side for a "chat" to remind them who's the boss and how they should respect him, bring them down a peg. Intimidation 101. I imagine that Irvine being Irvine was a cocky little bast*rd and got a shiner...
Senna had every right to castigate Irvine at Suzuka ...Irvine showed zero respect for protocol, was dangerously all over the place in his attempt to overtake Hill ...& then topped it off afterwards with ignorance & cockyness, no one should get punched in a verbal altercation- but Irvine was about as close as you can get to making it a justifiable reactionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmZvQZC6RWQ
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single...
& Senna also had every right to give Schumacher a talking to ...quite polite considering he'd just been punted out of the French Grand prix by him
Siao said:
whenever he felt threatened by a young pretender, he took them to the side for a "chat" to remind them who's the boss and how they should respect him, bring them down a peg. Intimidation 101. I imagine that Irvine being Irvine was a cocky little bast*rd and got a shiner...
Is there an echo in here? I said pretty much the same thing a few posts back. 
Whinger Spice just can’t stop moaning and stirring… Lewis isn’t bigging up his boy! I doubt Max craves it or has given it any thought.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/artic...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/artic...
angrymoby said:
& Senna also had every right to give Schumacher a talking to ...quite polite considering he'd just been punted out of the French Grand prix by him
Can you imagine Lewis doing the same thing, I mean seriously, can you imagine it?The words internet and meltdown don't do it justice.
HighwayStar said:
Whinger Spice just can’t stop moaning and stirring… Lewis isn’t bigging up his boy! I doubt Max craves it or has given it any thought.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/artic...
Funnily enough, I noticed the same thing t'other way round in an interview with Max recently can't recall the exact circs right now, Lewis had featured in the race (was it Dutch, I'll have to check Youtube https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/artic...
), I just recall watching it and thinking "he's not going to mention Lewis by name" and he didn't. HighwayStar said:
Whinger Spice just can’t stop moaning and stirring… Lewis isn’t bigging up his boy! I doubt Max craves it or has given it any thought.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/artic...
honestly, no-one moans, whines and stirs more than Mercedes Big Shot Toto.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/artic...
I listened to most of that Beyond the Grid podcast this morning (the one which all of these Horner quotes are coming from). Unfortunately he is exactly as you’d expect 2022 Christian Horner to be.
He said some things which were disingenuous, and the things he said which weren’t disingenuous were heavily loaded.
He said some things which were disingenuous, and the things he said which weren’t disingenuous were heavily loaded.
HustleRussell said:
I listened to most of that Beyond the Grid podcast this morning (the one which all of these Horner quotes are coming from). Unfortunately he is exactly as you’d expect 2022 Christian Horner to be.
He said some things which were disingenuous, and the things he said which weren’t disingenuous were heavily loaded.
I'm trying to remember the point at which he turned into a monumental bell end......I don't recall him being this bad even in the Vettel-eraHe said some things which were disingenuous, and the things he said which weren’t disingenuous were heavily loaded.
heebeegeetee said:
angrymoby said:
& Senna also had every right to give Schumacher a talking to ...quite polite considering he'd just been punted out of the French Grand prix by him
Can you imagine Lewis doing the same thing, I mean seriously, can you imagine it?The words internet and meltdown don't do it justice.
HighwayStar said:
Whinger Spice just can’t stop moaning and stirring… Lewis isn’t bigging up his boy! I doubt Max craves it or has given it any thought.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/artic...
Funnily enough, I noticed the same thing t'other way round in an interview with Max recently can't recall the exact circs right now, Lewis had featured in the race (was it Dutch, I'll have to check Youtube https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/artic...
), I just recall watching it and thinking "he's not going to mention Lewis by name" and he didn't.This wasn't the interview I saw, and i haven't watched all of it, but yeah, it seems he can't mention Lewis by name. https://youtu.be/AjzEBLf4oWU
deadslow said:
honestly, no-one moans, whines and stirs more than Mercedes Big Shot Toto.
I do know that after Monza last year, Toto didn't go on and on and on and on and on about thank god a driver wasn't hurt or worse etc, and funnily enough neither did Christian that time, considering how much he did at Silverstone.I have to disagree with you about Toto, I think Christian has gone really toxic, we've really gone off him and it spoils our enjoyment of watching Max race.
Muzzer79 said:
HustleRussell said:
I listened to most of that Beyond the Grid podcast this morning (the one which all of these Horner quotes are coming from). Unfortunately he is exactly as you’d expect 2022 Christian Horner to be.
He said some things which were disingenuous, and the things he said which weren’t disingenuous were heavily loaded.
I'm trying to remember the point at which he turned into a monumental bell end......I don't recall him being this bad even in the Vettel-eraHe said some things which were disingenuous, and the things he said which weren’t disingenuous were heavily loaded.
angrymoby said:
Siao said:
Senna did the same with Schumacher (not the punching bit though); whenever he felt threatened by a young pretender, he took them to the side for a "chat" to remind them who's the boss and how they should respect him, bring them down a peg. Intimidation 101. I imagine that Irvine being Irvine was a cocky little bast*rd and got a shiner...
Senna had every right to castigate Irvine at Suzuka ...Irvine showed zero respect for protocol, was dangerously all over the place in his attempt to overtake Hill ...& then topped it off afterwards with ignorance & cockyness, no one should get punched in a verbal altercation- but Irvine was about as close as you can get to making it a justifiable reactionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmZvQZC6RWQ
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single...
& Senna also had every right to give Schumacher a talking to ...quite polite considering he'd just been punted out of the French Grand prix by him
And the French GP was a first lap incident, hardly something that he needed to take him on the side to swear at him. Not very politely either. If we had a bust up every time we had a first lap incident...
heebeegeetee said:
angrymoby said:
& Senna also had every right to give Schumacher a talking to ...quite polite considering he'd just been punted out of the French Grand prix by him
Can you imagine Lewis doing the same thing, I mean seriously, can you imagine it?The words internet and meltdown don't do it justice.
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