Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

[White-Noise]

MarkwG said:

PhilAsia said:

After his calm and measured response to 2021, I would postulate that his mental "frailty" is pretty much non-existent...

Was thinking the same: recalling how well Senna coped with Prost, for eample, I wonder about some peoples memories...

I dont think he is frail. But I think that things touch him and affect him more. I think hes a more sensitive person. But he has worked to handle that and handle his emotions and keep it in check and he's delivered. I was only a young kid when Senna Prost happened

[General Price]

I had a tenner each way on him at 33/1 so he's a good egg in my book.

[paulw123]

Teppic said:

paulw123 said:

If they keep the extra point for fastest lap going forward it should only be allowed if your tyres are 10 laps older or more.

The fastest lap point has been dropped for 2025 onwards.

As ok, that probably makes sense as it has turned into a bit of a gimmick.

[TheDeuce]

paulw123 said:

Teppic said:

paulw123 said:

If they keep the extra point for fastest lap going forward it should only be allowed if your tyres are 10 laps older or more.

The fastest lap point has been dropped for 2025 onwards.

As ok, that probably makes sense as it has turned into a bit of a gimmick.

Indeed. I also never much liked the jeopardy of a race winning driver risking another pit stop (which could go wrong..) for the sake of just one extra point. I always sit there thinking "no, fk that, just drive around the last couple of laps super safe and get the result!"

[MarkwG]

White-Noise said:

MarkwG said:

PhilAsia said:

After his calm and measured response to 2021, I would postulate that his mental "frailty" is pretty much non-existent...

Was thinking the same: recalling how well Senna coped with Prost, for eample, I wonder about some peoples memories...

I dont think he is frail. But I think that things touch him and affect him more. I think hes a more sensitive person. But he has worked to handle that and handle his emotions and keep it in check and he's delivered. I was only a young kid when Senna Prost happened

Fair enough: my interpretation is that he's more open about how he feels than most of his contemporarioes, & predeccesors: perhaps because he's got the confidence to do so. He's nothing to lose by being himself, whereas they're trying to prove themselves in an unforgiving environment. I think he's very rare in that regard, perhaps even unique.

[Dbag101]

He is toast at Ferrari. The Tifosi don’t like lazy sponsor’s suck puppies. If he lasts a season I’ll be amazed.

[White-Noise]

Dbag101 said:

He is toast at Ferrari. The Tifosi don’t like lazy sponsor’s suck puppies. If he lasts a season I’ll be amazed.

Troll of the month. Congrats.

[White-Noise]

MarkwG said:

Fair enough: my interpretation is that he's more open about how he feels than most of his contemporarioes, & predeccesors: perhaps because he's got the confidence to do so. He's nothing to lose by being himself, whereas they're trying to prove themselves in an unforgiving environment. I think he's very rare in that regard, perhaps even unique.

That's an interesting observation and you might well be right I will have a think about it. Lando also seems to be quite open as he had admitted his nerves and getting sick not being able to eat and such. But with him I get the feeling it does affect his performance more so unfortunately. Sports psychology is quite fascinating isn't it

[TheDeuce]

Dbag101 said:

He is toast at Ferrari. The Tifosi don’t like lazy sponsor’s suck puppies. If he lasts a season I’ll be amazed.

Oh try harder, that was a really st attempt.


Flesh it out a bit, maybe say something about him being mentally broken and pretend that you're concerned about him

[paulguitar]

Dbag101 said:

He is toast at Ferrari. The Tifosi don’t like lazy sponsor’s suck puppies. If he lasts a season I’ll be amazed.

Not sure what 'lazy sponsor’s suck puppies' are?


Also a bit premature to be writing him off as 'toast'. We've seen some vintage Hamilton this season. Today, Silverstone, Spa. He'll be 40 by the time he drives a Ferrrai and LeClerc almost young enough to be his son. The fact that Lewis goes there with most people (not you, clearly) expecting him to be competitive shows just how potentially great he still is.


I view the Ferrari adventure as a coda to the greatest career I have witnessed in F1. A win or a few wins would be amazing, and I think with the right equipment he still has another title in him.

[TheDeuce]

paulguitar said:

Dbag101 said:

He is toast at Ferrari. The Tifosi don’t like lazy sponsor’s suck puppies. If he lasts a season I’ll be amazed.

Not sure what 'lazy sponsor’s suck puppies' are?


Also a bit premature to be writing him off as 'toast'. We've seen some vintage Hamilton this season. Today, Silverstone, Spa. He'll be 40 by the time he drives a Ferrrai and LeClerc almost young enough to be his son. The fact that Lewis goes there with most people (not you, clearly) expecting him to be competitive shows just how potentially great he still is.


I view the Ferrari adventure as a coda to the greatest career I have witnessed in F1. A win or a few wins would be amazing, and I think with the right equipment he still has another title in him.

Were it not for his botched lap in Q3 this weekend he would probably have won his third race of the season yesterday - the fact he's won two races in the car he has is itself pretty good going!

Maybe he has passed his peak, it's hard to say as there are still moments of greatness even in a difficult car. We'll find out over the next couple of seasons vs leclerc I guess.

Imo, it's simply too soon to form a worthwhile opinion on how good he still is. Judging him this season, knowing he's departing the team, would be daft - although he's still keeping GR very honest.

Let's wait and see what he does in the Ferrari.

[entropy]

TheDeuce said:

Indeed. I also never much liked the jeopardy of a race winning driver risking another pit stop (which could go wrong..) for the sake of just one extra point. I always sit there thinking "no, fk that, just drive around the last couple of laps super safe and get the result!"

They enjoy driving on the limit. Schumi and Vettel set FLs lap after lap when they had a sizeable lead and drove their team mad; Verstappen set as series of FLs when leading the last 10 laps at the wet Brazillian GP.

[TheDeuce]

entropy said:

TheDeuce said:

Indeed. I also never much liked the jeopardy of a race winning driver risking another pit stop (which could go wrong..) for the sake of just one extra point. I always sit there thinking "no, fk that, just drive around the last couple of laps super safe and get the result!"

They enjoy driving on the limit. Schumi and Vettel set FLs lap after lap when they had a sizeable lead and drove their team mad; Verstappen set as series of FLs when leading the last 10 laps at the wet Brazillian GP.

Yep, but they didn't take an unnecessary pit stop just for the sake of banging in the quickest lap did they?

[Mr Tidy]

paulguitar said:

Great drive from Lewis today, he'll be kicking himself that he messed up Q3 yesterday.

I think we can safely say that he still has it, a timely reminder as he heads to Ferrari for 2025.

Yes, it was a great drive. George must have been relieved that Lewis started tenth on the grid!

Q3 just proves that even the best don't always get it right. It'll be interesting seeing how he gets on at Ferrari next year.

[entropy]

TheDeuce said:

entropy said:

TheDeuce said:

Indeed. I also never much liked the jeopardy of a race winning driver risking another pit stop (which could go wrong..) for the sake of just one extra point. I always sit there thinking "no, fk that, just drive around the last couple of laps super safe and get the result!"

They enjoy driving on the limit. Schumi and Vettel set FLs lap after lap when they had a sizeable lead and drove their team mad; Verstappen set as series of FLs when leading the last 10 laps at the wet Brazillian GP.

Yep, but they didn't take an unnecessary pit stop just for the sake of banging in the quickest lap did they?

They didn't because the FL bonus point didn't exist then though I'm not sure if it existed during Vettel's Ferrari prime years. There are other factors such as refuelling era made the cars much lighter in race trim and tyres made more for outright performance rather than being gimmicky cf. Pirelli.

[TheDeuce]

entropy said:

TheDeuce said:

entropy said:

TheDeuce said:

Indeed. I also never much liked the jeopardy of a race winning driver risking another pit stop (which could go wrong..) for the sake of just one extra point. I always sit there thinking "no, fk that, just drive around the last couple of laps super safe and get the result!"

They enjoy driving on the limit. Schumi and Vettel set FLs lap after lap when they had a sizeable lead and drove their team mad; Verstappen set as series of FLs when leading the last 10 laps at the wet Brazillian GP.

Yep, but they didn't take an unnecessary pit stop just for the sake of banging in the quickest lap did they?

They didn't because the FL bonus point didn't exist then though I'm not sure if it existed during Vettel's Ferrari prime years. There are other factors such as refuelling era made the cars much lighter in race trim and tyres made more for outright performance rather than being gimmicky cf. Pirelli.

In all the examples you gave, pints for FL was not a thing. My point was that now it is a thing, it causes the jeopardy of an additional pit stop to make it count. I'm sure that was concocted as an idea to deliberately add jeopardy - but I personally find it awkward to watch the guys take that risk, and the single point earned isn't much of a payoff.

I'm glad it's being binned. I don't think anyone will miss it... Will you miss it?

[Killer2005]

Dbag101 said:

He is toast at Ferrari. The Tifosi don’t like lazy sponsor’s suck puppies. If he lasts a season I’ll be amazed.

Appropriate user name.

[entropy]

TheDeuce said:

In all the examples you gave, pints for FL was not a thing. My point was that now it is a thing, it causes the jeopardy of an additional pit stop to make it count. I'm sure that was concocted as an idea to deliberately add jeopardy - but I personally find it awkward to watch the guys take that risk, and the single point earned isn't much of a payoff.

I'm glad it's being binned. I don't think anyone will miss it... Will you miss it?

If a driver is wants to make an extra pit stop and the team complies then that's their prerogative.

I'm not bothered either way. i remember Murray Walker saying FL and pole deserved extra points. In time people will say bring back extra point just as there are those who say bring back tyre wars and refuelling.

[PhilAsia]

entropy said:

TheDeuce said:

In all the examples you gave, pints for FL was not a thing. My point was that now it is a thing, it causes the jeopardy of an additional pit stop to make it count. I'm sure that was concocted as an idea to deliberately add jeopardy - but I personally find it awkward to watch the guys take that risk, and the single point earned isn't much of a payoff.

I'm glad it's being binned. I don't think anyone will miss it... Will you miss it?

If a driver is wants to make an extra pit stop and the team complies then that's their prerogative.

I'm not bothered either way. i remember Murray Walker saying FL and pole deserved extra points. In time people will say bring back extra point just as there are those who say bring back tyre wars and refuelling.

I feel it is a gimmick and gives a luck advantage. For instance, in a safety car filled race the cars are not spaced out enough to pitstop for tyres and a shot at the extra point. In a race with no SC and a sizeable lead to the following car, you can take advantage of a pitstop. That one point could affect the season's title standings.

[Sandpit Steve]

PhilAsia said:

I feel it is a gimmick and gives a luck advantage. For instance, in a safety car filled race the cars are not spaced out enough to pitstop for tyres and a shot at the extra point. In a race with no SC and a sizeable lead to the following car, you can take advantage of a pitstop. That one point could affect the season's title standings.

The extra point gives the incentive for a driver to push hard during a quiet (in terms of flags) race, to make a gap behind that allows them to make the stop and go for the fastest lap.

IIRC no-one has ever fked it up, which is quite surprising. I’d have expected at least one team to have not had the tyres ready, or have a gun that malfunctioned, or the driver get caught speeding or totally miss his marks.

Something else that’s often not mentioned as much as it should be, is just how close is the field spread after a few years of this regulation set. The top five cars yesterday were covered by the duration of a pit stop, most gaps were single-digit seconds, and only two cars lapped, in a race that didn’t feature a single yellow flag.