Croft has to go

Croft has to go

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SoulGlo

24 posts

15 months

Tuesday 15th November
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LM240 said:
I might look into this.

Probably not as a Sky cost saving exercise though by the time you’ve paid for VPN each month and the F1 TV.

Though, they’ll be no ability to record.

I started watching the race on record yesterday about 30mins behind the actual start time (handy for SC periods). I guess with F1TV I’d have to wait for a full rerun of I wanted to watch the whole race?
Nope.

You can dip into the stream once it's started. It will pop up "Watch live or watch from start".

F1TV pro is costing me £6 per month. VPN has been paid over a 2 year period which worked out best. Definitely cheaper what I was paying for Sky basic and a sports package that they make you sign up for unless you were lucky to get a deal.

I don't miss the recording function because its always available to watch anywhere I have internet access and a smart phone or TV with internet access.

Blib

40,368 posts

181 months

Tuesday 15th November
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IMO, there's never been a good F1 commentator and I include Murray 'if I'm not mistaken and I surely am' Walker.

And you lot know the answer why. Talking coherently for two hours about F1 is beyond any individual's abilities. It's just too complex.

When Croft goes and after the first race of the next season someone on here will start a new thread about how the new person is rubbish and should go.

Pile on ad infinitum.


LukeBrown66

3,182 posts

30 months

Tuesday 15th November
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I disagree.

the commentator used to be simply a voice to add detail to the footage, you can see most of what is going on, so there is no need to talk endlessly.

I know Murray was guilty of this, but he had a foil, a foil he did not like for all sorts of reasons, but a stroke of cleverness from the BBC giving them one mic and two utterly different people.

A good commentator adds to the experience, gives you background knowledge, maybe makes you laugh. there are not many.

croft makes you cringe, makes his workmates cringe, and thinks he is something special because the cretins at SKY probably tell him so. He adds very little to the experience, shouts too much, never knows when to shut up, adds in utterly pointless stats just so that he can say something when nothing is fine.

Modern sports comms in many sports have become about shouting, trying to convey excitement, that is not your job as a commentator, your job is to remain fairly calm and inform the viewer about detail, not what is obvious on screen


thegreenhell

11,770 posts

203 months

Tuesday 15th November
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The zenith of F1 commentary teams occurred in 2011, and only for that one year, when we had Brundle and Couthard together in the BBC commentary. Neither was a lead commentator; they were just a couple of experts, and friends, talking about F1 together. Couthard had only recently retired from driving at that point, so his knowledge was bang up to date, and Brundle hadn't yet become the weary old man he often appears as now.

Blib

40,368 posts

181 months

Tuesday 15th November
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LukeBrown66 said:
I disagree.

the commentator used to be simply a voice to add detail to the footage, you can see most of what is going on, so there is no need to talk endlessly.

I know Murray was guilty of this, but he had a foil, a foil he did not like for all sorts of reasons, but a stroke of cleverness from the BBC giving them one mic and two utterly different people.

A good commentator adds to the experience, gives you background knowledge, maybe makes you laugh. there are not many.

croft makes you cringe, makes his workmates cringe, and thinks he is something special because the cretins at SKY probably tell him so. He adds very little to the experience, shouts too much, never knows when to shut up, adds in utterly pointless stats just so that he can say something when nothing is fine.

Modern sports comms in many sports have become about shouting, trying to convey excitement, that is not your job as a commentator, your job is to remain fairly calm and inform the viewer about detail, not what is obvious on screen
Please name one.

Blib

40,368 posts

181 months

Tuesday 15th November
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thegreenhell said:
The zenith of F1 commentary teams occurred in 2011, and only for that one year, when we had Brundle and Couthard together in the BBC commentary. Neither was a lead commentator; they were just a couple of experts, and friends, talking about F1 together. Couthard had only recently retired from driving at that point, so his knowledge was bang up to date, and Brundle hadn't yet become the weary old man he often appears as now.
They failed to properly convey the excitement of F1.

Proof of the pudding is that the combo didn't last.

Nova Gyna

335 posts

10 months

Tuesday 15th November
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It didn’t last because Brundle was made an offer he couldn’t refuse from Sky.

I agree that Brundle and Coulthard were a good team in the com box.

LukeBrown66

3,182 posts

30 months

Tuesday 15th November
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The better commentators for me are Dave Addison, sadly paired with an ought to be retired John Watson in SRO stuff.

Martin Haven is excellent, funny and informative in WEC.

John Hindhaugh, can be a little over opinionated and commercial at times, but I can listen to him happily for hours with Jeremy Shaw in IMSA.

the ones with the big gigs, sadly are not great, Croft, Gavin (as it stands) Emmet in MotoGP, the shouty Aussie who does INdycar,

what the god guys do is be there without being OTT., shouty and making inane jokes and comments.

Croft is not the worst, Carlton Kirby is that, by a long way the worst commentator on sport I have ever heard, yet somehow managed to find work for decades, probably because he speaks numerous languages.

the question has to be, if this talking stops you from acwthing, in MotoGP, F1 and a few other sports yes it does, and that is not good.

Gary C

10,449 posts

163 months

Tuesday 15th November
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Nova Gyna said:
It didn’t last because Brundle was made an offer he couldn’t refuse from Sky.

I agree that Brundle and Coulthard were a good team in the com box.
Really really really really don't like Couthard as a commentator. His voice is so droney and his 'insights' are a bit boring. Dare I say it, I would prefer Croft to Coulthard (but that's because I have learnt to zone him out).

alisdairm

83 posts

145 months

Tuesday 15th November
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LukeBrown66 said:
Croft is not the worst, Carlton Kirby is that, by a long way the worst commentator on sport I have ever heard, yet somehow managed to find work for decades, probably because he speaks numerous languages.
I like Carlton Kirby when the Dakar is on Eurosport ever January.

entropy

4,957 posts

187 months

Tuesday 15th November
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Blib said:
IMO, there's never been a good F1 commentator and I include Murray 'if I'm not mistaken and I surely am' Walker.

And you lot know the answer why. Talking coherently for two hours about F1 is beyond any individual's abilities. It's just too complex.

When Croft goes and after the first race of the next season someone on here will start a new thread about how the new person is rubbish and should go.

Pile on ad infinitum.
It all started off with James Allen and the Stop The Cock campaign.

The only alternatives were Jonathan Legard and David Croft commentating on Radio 5 at the time.

Legard's transition to television was absolutely awful and the nadir for F1 commentary in the UK and Croft was a good alternative on 5Live who teamed up with Ant instead of Maurice Hamilton.

Croft moves to Sky and soon gets slaughtered. Even Ben Edwards has his critics when he commentated to the masses for the Beeb and Ch4.

I think part of the problem is transitioning to commentating on F1 for a broadcasting corporation/channel that has large outreach than previous and the risk of being put on a pedestal as the voice of F1 and falling into the trap of becoming a personality.


entropy

4,957 posts

187 months

Tuesday 15th November
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LukeBrown66 said:
The better commentators for me are Dave Addison, sadly paired with an ought to be retired John Watson in SRO stuff.

Martin Haven is excellent, funny and informative in WEC.

John Hindhaugh, can be a little over opinionated and commercial at times, but I can listen to him happily for hours with Jeremy Shaw in IMSA.

the ones with the big gigs, sadly are not great, Croft, Gavin (as it stands) Emmet in MotoGP, the shouty Aussie who does INdycar,

what the god guys do is be there without being OTT., shouty and making inane jokes and comments.

Croft is not the worst, Carlton Kirby is that, by a long way the worst commentator on sport I have ever heard, yet somehow managed to find work for decades, probably because he speaks numerous languages.

the question has to be, if this talking stops you from acwthing, in MotoGP, F1 and a few other sports yes it does, and that is not good.
Hindaugh seems to have taken the mantle of being the voice of LM a bit too much as well as his Porsche ownership bias

Buffalo Gals round the outside is a drinking game in itself as well as the word 'awry' cropped up often in previous season or two as much as Croft and Switch-a-roo graits with many.

Martin Haven likes to have whacky ideas and theories only to be corrected by the co-commmentator.

Wills2

20,328 posts

159 months

Tuesday 15th November
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I liked Ben Edwards and currently Jack Nicholls/Jolyon Palmer are the best pairing when they are together on 5live.

I listen to the races these days and then watch the highlights on YT the difference between Crofty and the 5live team is incredible but not in a good way for Crofty.






paulguitar

18,057 posts

97 months

Tuesday 15th November
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Wills2 said:
I liked Ben Edwards and currently Jack Nicholls/Jolyon Palmer are the best pairing when they are together on 5live.

I listen to the races these days and then watch the highlights on YT the difference between Crofty and the 5live team is incredible but not in a good way for Crofty.
I tried to watch the highlights on youtube earlier and had to go for the 'mute' button immediately. He's completely intolerable.




thegreenhell

11,770 posts

203 months

Tuesday 15th November
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alisdairm said:
LukeBrown66 said:
Croft is not the worst, Carlton Kirby is that, by a long way the worst commentator on sport I have ever heard, yet somehow managed to find work for decades, probably because he speaks numerous languages.
I like Carlton Kirby when the Dakar is on Eurosport ever January.
Is he the guy who likes to really enunciate foreign names, and is constantly talking over the top of his co-commentator?

alisdairm

83 posts

145 months

Tuesday 15th November
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thegreenhell said:
alisdairm said:
LukeBrown66 said:
Croft is not the worst, Carlton Kirby is that, by a long way the worst commentator on sport I have ever heard, yet somehow managed to find work for decades, probably because he speaks numerous languages.
I like Carlton Kirby when the Dakar is on Eurosport ever January.
Is he the guy who likes to really enunciate foreign names, and is constantly talking over the top of his co-commentator?
He is the sole commentor on the Dakar for Eurosport, I've not heard him commentate on anything else.

thegreenhell

11,770 posts

203 months

Tuesday 15th November
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alisdairm said:
He is the sole commentor on the Dakar for Eurosport, I've not heard him commentate on anything else.
He does cycling commentary for Eurosport.

LukeBrown66

3,182 posts

30 months

Tuesday 15th November
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he is employed by Eurosport I think and talks about anything they ask him to, Dakar is fine as he is sort of narrating over pics in a very quick format, he is loathed among cycling fans, but thankfully seems to flit in and out.

he has done ERC rallying, and Le Mans, he utterly ruins Le mans on Eurosport, so much so I am considering paying for the WEC thing next year!

I am sure he holds some sort of dirt over the Eurosport bosses as I have complained him numerous times as I am sire have others, but no, on he goes!
But these days he seems to be banished to lesser sports, thank goodness

Spevs

93 posts

12 months

Friday 18th November
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Brilliant from the Darts commentator in fp2, George's win last week was luck because LEWIS had damage costing him 2 tenths per lap, what a tosser........get rid of him.

JonChalk

6,299 posts

94 months

Friday 18th November
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Spevs said:
Brilliant from the Darts commentator in fp2, George's win last week was luck because LEWIS had damage costing him 2 tenths per lap, what a tosser........get rid of him.
I've binned off Sky Sports for the last 2 races of the year to see if I could cope for a whole season next year, so have been listening to 5live for practice and quali sessions.

You have no idea of how much not having to listen to Croft improves a GP weekend.