Aston Martin F1 Team

Aston Martin F1 Team

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mat205125

16,100 posts

177 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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Mr Tidy said:
AJB88 said:
I think we will see a different Vettel next year, the weight of the Scuderia off his shoulders, hopefully RP/AM can carry the momentum of this year as well.

I'm a Scuderia fan but always nice to see "Manufacturer" teams enter/come back, I also live few hundred yards from Aston Martin Works so "local" team for me along with RBR.
I'm not convinced - I think Vettel's day has been and gone!

But I hope the team with "Aston Martin" stickers does better than when a team put "Ford" stickers on their cars. laugh

Although I have my doubts!
I have to agree.

2019 sealed that opinion for me, with far too many spins, trips and mistakes at critical times to effectively gift wrap the championship for Mercedes.

The number of times in 2019 I had to yell "FFS" at the TV as points were just thrown away was too much. Alonso would have won the title if he'd have had that car last year.

Moving to RP/AM for 2021 won't see a renaissance of success for Vettel, and if the team are heading their own way instead of their "tracing point" facsimile head start for 2020, they'll slip down the now ultra-competitive midfield.

Will be interesting to see how long Aston Martin stick around in the sport, as they've never been on a strong financial footing in the past, and if this really is a sticker job, then the team will need more financial backers to keep afloat. Daddy Stroll has deep pockets though, I guess.

AJB88

7,395 posts

135 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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mat205125 said:
Will be interesting to see how long Aston Martin stick around in the sport, as they've never been on a strong financial footing in the past, and if this really is a sticker job, then the team will need more financial backers to keep afloat. Daddy Stroll has deep pockets though, I guess.
Mercedes are investing in Aston Martin are they not?

mat205125

16,100 posts

177 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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AJB88 said:
mat205125 said:
Will be interesting to see how long Aston Martin stick around in the sport, as they've never been on a strong financial footing in the past, and if this really is a sticker job, then the team will need more financial backers to keep afloat. Daddy Stroll has deep pockets though, I guess.
Mercedes are investing in Aston Martin are they not?
Mercedes long term interest in the sport wont last forever

DanielSan

16,055 posts

131 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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AJB88 said:
mat205125 said:
Will be interesting to see how long Aston Martin stick around in the sport, as they've never been on a strong financial footing in the past, and if this really is a sticker job, then the team will need more financial backers to keep afloat. Daddy Stroll has deep pockets though, I guess.
Mercedes are investing in Aston Martin are they not?
Aston as a company aren't putting any money into the F1 team. It's Stroll's team, he's just put his latest business interest on the car to promote it.

Fundoreen

2,201 posts

47 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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They burned through all the money from floating AM and more after so I guess they are not really a profitable company.
I bet stroll will happily let it crash and burn and fall in to mercedes hands eventually.
Expect to see Vettel dressed up like bond at the casino in various promotions. Probably force him to start gambling and smoking lol.
Perez would just not fit this image so it all makes sense now.

cholo

1,044 posts

199 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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Given AM's current tie in with Reb Bull, wouldn't it have made sense for AM to take over the Honda engine plant with RB, effectively halving the investment cost, giving AM a full 'works' team and solving RB's engine supply problem?

I guess AM would not be interested in this sort of investment though?

Piginapoke

1,842 posts

149 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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DanielSan said:
Aston as a company aren't putting any money into the F1 team. It's Stroll's team, he's just put his latest business interest on the car to promote it.
Aston are paying to sponsor the team, it's just not taking any equity

Exige77

6,023 posts

155 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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cholo said:
Given AM's current tie in with Reb Bull, wouldn't it have made sense for AM to take over the Honda engine plant with RB, effectively halving the investment cost, giving AM a full 'works' team and solving RB's engine supply problem?

I guess AM would not be interested in this sort of investment though?
I think Aston’s main shareholders are RB’s competitors, Stroll, Wolf and Mercedes. Not sure they would want anything to do with building Honda Engines ?

Also Aston will be using Mercedes engines in their road cars. I think it’s a non starter.

Dr Interceptor

6,114 posts

160 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Imagine...

Aston Martin Racing with Vettel as No. 1 driver and Stroll Snr. backing manage to tempt Toto into the Team Principle role for one season only.

Mercedes AMG Petronas fall apart as Hamilton departs, and Bottas and and his giant lip wig can't get on pole despite dominating free practices. His new wing man George Russell does well, but gets a nosebleed whenever he breaks into the top ten.

Vettel and AMR shine with Toto at the helm, the drivers and constructors championships are theirs, and every race Toto gets to hear the German national anthem played before God Save the Queen.


Muzzer79

4,536 posts

151 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Dr Interceptor said:
Imagine...

Aston Martin Racing with Vettel as No. 1 driver and Stroll Snr. backing manage to tempt Toto into the Team Principle role for one season only.

Mercedes AMG Petronas fall apart as Hamilton departs, and Bottas and and his giant lip wig can't get on pole despite dominating free practices. His new wing man George Russell does well, but gets a nosebleed whenever he breaks into the top ten.

Vettel and AMR shine with Toto at the helm, the drivers and constructors championships are theirs, and every race Toto gets to hear the German national anthem played before God Save the Queen.
OK, I'm imagining it.




Which is all that's going to happen because it's never going to actually materialise? confused

thegreenhell

8,394 posts

183 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Dr Interceptor said:
Imagine...

Aston Martin Racing with Vettel as No. 1 driver and Stroll Snr. backing manage to tempt Toto into the Team Principle role for one season only.

Mercedes AMG Petronas fall apart as Hamilton departs, and Bottas and and his giant lip wig can't get on pole despite dominating free practices. His new wing man George Russell does well, but gets a nosebleed whenever he breaks into the top ten.

Vettel and AMR shine with Toto at the helm, the drivers and constructors championships are theirs, and every race Toto gets to hear the German national anthem played before God Save the Queen.
Whatever you're smoking, you should probably stop.

vulture1

8,406 posts

143 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Dr Interceptor said:
Imagine...

Aston Martin Racing with Vettel as No. 1 driver and Stroll Snr. backing manage to tempt Toto into the Team Principle role for one season only.

Mercedes AMG Petronas fall apart as Hamilton departs, and Bottas and and his giant lip wig can't get on pole despite dominating free practices. His new wing man George Russell does well, but gets a nosebleed whenever he breaks into the top ten.

Vettel and AMR shine with Toto at the helm, the drivers and constructors championships are theirs, and every race Toto gets to hear the German national anthem played before God Save the Queen.
The least likely of the hypothetical statement above is Toto making a difference in 1 year. He clearly has built a super strong team around him with long term loyalty.

TheDeuce

8,912 posts

30 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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vulture1 said:
Dr Interceptor said:
Imagine...

Aston Martin Racing with Vettel as No. 1 driver and Stroll Snr. backing manage to tempt Toto into the Team Principle role for one season only.

Mercedes AMG Petronas fall apart as Hamilton departs, and Bottas and and his giant lip wig can't get on pole despite dominating free practices. His new wing man George Russell does well, but gets a nosebleed whenever he breaks into the top ten.

Vettel and AMR shine with Toto at the helm, the drivers and constructors championships are theirs, and every race Toto gets to hear the German national anthem played before God Save the Queen.
The least likely of the hypothetical statement above is Toto making a difference in 1 year. He clearly has built a super strong team around him with long term loyalty.
Indeed. He also had a run up of several years to get the works team together and a near unlimited budget to do it.

That's not to say he's not already involved in strolls masterplan on some level, I suspect he is and will prove valuable at some point - probably not as TP this time though. He's done that already..

thegreenhell

8,394 posts

183 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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TheDeuce said:
vulture1 said:
The least likely of the hypothetical statement above is Toto making a difference in 1 year. He clearly has built a super strong team around him with long term loyalty.
Indeed. He also had a run up of several years to get the works team together and a near unlimited budget to do it.

That's not to say he's not already involved in strolls masterplan on some level, I suspect he is and will prove valuable at some point - probably not as TP this time though. He's done that already..
Toto joined just as the steamroller started moving, but he didn't build the steamroller. Most of that team was already in place before Toto even joined, put together by Brawn and Lauda. The core of the team is still what Brawn built firstly as Honda.

baconsarney

10,619 posts

125 months

Wednesday 4th November 2020
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Dr Interceptor said:
Imagine...

Aston Martin Racing with Vettel as No. 1 driver and Stroll Snr. backing manage to tempt Toto into the Team Principle role for one season only.

Mercedes AMG Petronas fall apart as Hamilton departs, and Bottas and and his giant lip wig can't get on pole despite dominating free practices. His new wing man George Russell does well, but gets a nosebleed whenever he breaks into the top ten.

Vettel and AMR shine with Toto at the helm, the drivers and constructors championships are theirs, and every race Toto gets to hear the German national anthem played before God Save the Queen.
This is one of the best alternate realities I've imagined in a long time. Keep up the good work Doc Interceptor. In the meantime I need to find a way back to my own space-time continuum......


RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat

11,589 posts

59 months

Wednesday 4th November 2020
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I prefer the version where Hamilton moves to AM in place of Stroll Jr at the same time.

thegreenhell

8,394 posts

183 months

Thursday 7th January
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Interesting interview with Stroll Snr, and his ambition to make Stroll Jnr a world champion...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55567562

C350Akra

8,795 posts

244 months

Thursday 7th January
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thegreenhell said:
Interesting interview with Stroll Snr, and his ambition to make Stroll Jnr a world champion...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55567562
Ahha, so that is why they got rid of Perez in exchange for Vettel.......

Sixpackpert

4,197 posts

178 months

Thursday 7th January
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AJB88

7,395 posts

135 months

Friday 8th January
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Sixpackpert said:
Alpine not AM