Honda to leave F1

Honda to leave F1

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Eric Mc

112,490 posts

223 months

Friday 2nd October
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That's kind of what happened in the 1960s and it made F1 vary interesting and variable.

paulguitar

8,033 posts

71 months

Friday 2nd October
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Exige77 said:
All of the “making F1 tech road car relevant” is killing the sport.

Road cars are clearly moving towards electrification so no point in developing ever more complex hybrid power trains.

Exciting and powerful F1 engines could be available at a fraction of the cost.

We might have to say goodbye to many of the manufacturers but that might just be evolution.
Completely agree. F1 really needs to decide what it wants to be, this could lead to a fantastic opportunity to get back to being viscerally thrilling again.



SmoothCriminal

3,147 posts

157 months

Friday 2nd October
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Can't see how people think that theres even a possibility of a merc in the back of that redbull.

1) half the grid having a Mercedes engine can't see that happening.
2) merc supplying their closest competitor with an engine can't see that happening either.

It will be a Renault as they have no other customers.

Deesee

4,550 posts

41 months

Friday 2nd October
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The new PU supplier will be the existing marquee with the fewest customers...

biglaugh

Mr Pointy

6,376 posts

117 months

Friday 2nd October
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Eric Mc said:
That's kind of what happened in the 1960s and it made F1 vary interesting and variable.
Yes but in those days you coud turn a fire engine pump donkey into a race engine (maybe a slight exaggeration, but not much). Unless the FIA dump hybrids & return to ICE only engines the barrier to entry now is stratospheric. There's almost literally no company that can afford to do it, as Honda have shown.

Exige77

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5,431 posts

149 months

Friday 2nd October
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Deesee said:
The new PU supplier will be the existing marquee with the fewest customers...

biglaugh
Sure the Renault guys are scouring the internet as we speak and making a YouTube video of all of Max’s greatest Renault slags from the cockpit smile

One of the supply conditions will be Max getting a Renault tattoo on his ar$e smile

The Brummie

8,445 posts

145 months

Friday 2nd October
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Leithen said:
Oh to have been with Cyril Abiteboul when he heard this news. hehe
I bet that Cyril has already decided how many extra zeros will be added too the quote for customer engines!!!!

Which will probably have a big fat ‘up yours’ written in crayon on the bottom of the quote.

I wonder just how p****d off the smug nosed git is this morning? I bet breakfast with Gerri was filled with merriment!

Leithen

6,584 posts

225 months

Friday 2nd October
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Exige77 said:
Deesee said:
The new PU supplier will be the existing marquee with the fewest customers...

biglaugh
Sure the Renault guys are scouring the internet as we speak and making a YouTube video of all of Max’s greatest Renault slags from the cockpit smile

One of the supply conditions will be Max getting a Renault tattoo on his ar$e smile
Is there a Greatest Hits compilation of Horner's Renault complaints?

Bright Halo

1,186 posts

193 months

Friday 2nd October
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Would love to see Cosworth back in F1

Leithen

6,584 posts

225 months

Friday 2nd October
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To be serious for a moment (very hard to...), this is a problem and possibly an opportunity for Domenicali and Brawn.

Teppic

5,647 posts

215 months

Friday 2nd October
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That’s Red Bull and AlphaTauri boned then. As Renault will only be powering one team in 2021, the rules say that as the engine manufacturer supplying the least number of teams they world be expected to provide Red Bull and AlphaTauri with engines. However, given the public slagging off form Horner and Marko during their last spell together, I suspect Renault would start negotiations by telling them to go and fk themselves. The grovelling and back-pedalling from Horner and Marko is going to be fun to watch.

ajprice

18,839 posts

154 months

Friday 2nd October
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Horner towing the PR line for now


SmoothCriminal

3,147 posts

157 months

Friday 2nd October
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Makes me laugh that Honda take all the pain spend hundreds if not billion(s) of dollars making an engine and trying to catch up after coming in after everyone else and then just as the engine goes good they quit.

Deja vu and the brawn anyone.

sgtBerbatov

2,299 posts

39 months

Friday 2nd October
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They're pressing ahead with a new engine design for next year. I found this an odd thing to say given you're effectively pulling out of the sport.

Which makes me think that, maybe, Mugen are in the wings to come back and take over these engines? Or maybe Red Bull decide to go it alone and use this Honda design as the basis for their own engines going forward?

Thinking back as well, weren't Honda the reason the manufacturers didn't elect to go to a simpler engine format? Due to the money time and effort expended already by them?

Schermerhorn

3,847 posts

147 months

Friday 2nd October
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Time to court BMW or the VAG group.

Honda would be wise to sell their engine secrets to one of the above group to try and recoup some money and it would give BMW/VAG a jump start on this era of F1 engine technology rather than playing catch up, losing face and being humiliated like Honda were from 2015-2017.

vaud

37,701 posts

113 months

Friday 2nd October
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Leithen said:
Can't see Newey hanging around either. House of cards. Two teams up for sale...
Probably 3. Haas is also open to options.

4 if you include AlfaRomeo...

I doubt RedBull would quit totally.

usn90

458 posts

28 months

Friday 2nd October
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Very surprised by this news, it’s generally bad news if it means the potential downfall of The red bull outfit, there’s a good consistent team there, can’t exactly depend on any of the other teams to take it to merc.

The road relevance bks needs to end, it’s a sad state of affairs when you turn up to a Grand Prix and the most pleasing grid to hear go round the circuit isn’t infact the spectacle you came to see, but the tier 2 steps down in the F3 field.

Even if a new engine manufacturer came in to supply, it will years till they are on any terms, look how long it took Honda

ajprice

18,839 posts

154 months

Friday 2nd October
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How far along the 2022 regulations Red Bull Honda design would they have been by now?

miniman

21,205 posts

220 months

Friday 2nd October
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ch37

6,366 posts

179 months

Friday 2nd October
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Schermerhorn said:
Time to court BMW or the VAG group.

Honda would be wise to sell their engine secrets to one of the above group to try and recoup some money and it would give BMW/VAG a jump start on this era of F1 engine technology rather than playing catch up, losing face and being humiliated like Honda were from 2015-2017.
VAG seems to have committed fairly strongly to Formula E as a 'premier FIA series' with both Porsche and Audi.

At some point F1 had to have a turning point where it decides what it wants to be, how it sits alongside FE and whether it commits fully to 'green'. I think that moment is now coming much sooner than we think.