Perez to Haas

[Presuming Ed]

Perez and Hulk for Haas maybe as I assume Schumacher will be off to Alfa.

Can't see Hulk at Red Bull, Hulk had his doors blown off by Danny Ricciardo last year and can't see him achieving anymore then Gasly or Albon in that car.

Shame Danny R is off to Mclaren, I'd love to see him back at RB or in Merc.

[kiseca]

Muzzer79 said:

kiseca said:

Muzzer79 said:

kiseca said:

Ferrari doesn't seem to have had much input in who drives for Haas so far. I'm sure they could have an influence, being the engine provider as well as some other IP, but I don't see any reason they'd start doing that now any more than they have in the past.

As far as I can tell, the Haas drivers are decided by Haas and not by Ferrari. Alfa is their b-team... which as an Alfisti, just kills me.

Ferrari supply engines.

Haas, like all the smaller teams, needs money due to the drop in revenues in 2020.

Ferrari can therefore place Schumacher at Haas in return for a discount on engines.

It's a similar situation with George Russell at Williams, funded by Mercedes.

The situation at Alfa Romeo is a little more open - it's public knowledge that Ferrari place a driver there, in this year's case Giovinazzi.

Have Ferrari had any influence over who drives for Haas to date? I know all that you've said is plausible and as I have already said I agree they can influence the driver choices should they want to. Doesn't mean they will, and if they haven't in the past, why change that now? Discount on engines means that Haas get more money but Ferrari get less. They're in the same recession as the rest of us.

1. With the budget cap coming in, they have some spare funding.

2. They're hedging their bets. They like Schumacher, but want to give Giovinazzi more time.

3. It's not a huge amount of money to Ferrari in the big scheme of things.

4. Schumacher isn't exactly a slouch - he's leading the F2 championship, so it isn't a big risk for Haas.

OK, fair enough, those are Ferrari's reasons. What are Haas's reasons for agreeing with them? There's the engine discount, fair enough... but any other reason Haas / Steiner would choose to allow a driver in his team who isn't neccessarily his first choice? Would the engine discount be enough to trust Schumacher? To be fair, it's hard to imagine him doing any worse than Haas's current drivers.

[LargeRed]

Muzzer79 said:

LargeRed said:

As long as it's NOT Alonso.

Said to be best the driver ??? ......... but bad career decision maker.

Still can't forgive Alonso for 'holding the pit-box' when Lewis was waiting (behind him) to use it, back when they both drove for McLaren.

That's a little random - Alonso is signed up at Renault/Alpine?

Yes, but as I said he is known for making bad career decisions.

[Muzzer79]

kiseca said:

Muzzer79 said:

kiseca said:

Muzzer79 said:

kiseca said:

Ferrari doesn't seem to have had much input in who drives for Haas so far. I'm sure they could have an influence, being the engine provider as well as some other IP, but I don't see any reason they'd start doing that now any more than they have in the past.

As far as I can tell, the Haas drivers are decided by Haas and not by Ferrari. Alfa is their b-team... which as an Alfisti, just kills me.

Ferrari supply engines.

Haas, like all the smaller teams, needs money due to the drop in revenues in 2020.

Ferrari can therefore place Schumacher at Haas in return for a discount on engines.

It's a similar situation with George Russell at Williams, funded by Mercedes.

The situation at Alfa Romeo is a little more open - it's public knowledge that Ferrari place a driver there, in this year's case Giovinazzi.

Have Ferrari had any influence over who drives for Haas to date? I know all that you've said is plausible and as I have already said I agree they can influence the driver choices should they want to. Doesn't mean they will, and if they haven't in the past, why change that now? Discount on engines means that Haas get more money but Ferrari get less. They're in the same recession as the rest of us.

1. With the budget cap coming in, they have some spare funding.

2. They're hedging their bets. They like Schumacher, but want to give Giovinazzi more time.

3. It's not a huge amount of money to Ferrari in the big scheme of things.

4. Schumacher isn't exactly a slouch - he's leading the F2 championship, so it isn't a big risk for Haas.

OK, fair enough, those are Ferrari's reasons. What are Haas's reasons for agreeing with them? There's the engine discount, fair enough... but any other reason Haas / Steiner would choose to allow a driver in his team who isn't neccessarily his first choice? Would the engine discount be enough to trust Schumacher? To be fair, it's hard to imagine him doing any worse than Haas's current drivers.

Money.

Pure and simple.

Due to the drop in revenues, Haas need the money.

Whether that's achieved through a driver bringing sponsorship and/or through an engine discount with Ferrari, doesn't matter - they need the money.

If they can get Perez and Schumacher, that could be around $20m that they don't have with Grosjean and Magnussen.

Considering Haas are in large unintentionally self-funded (Those big Haas logos down the side aren't by choice) they now need $$$$$

[spunkytherabbit]

Muzzer79 said:

kiseca said:

Muzzer79 said:

kiseca said:

Muzzer79 said:

kiseca said:

Ferrari doesn't seem to have had much input in who drives for Haas so far. I'm sure they could have an influence, being the engine provider as well as some other IP, but I don't see any reason they'd start doing that now any more than they have in the past.

As far as I can tell, the Haas drivers are decided by Haas and not by Ferrari. Alfa is their b-team... which as an Alfisti, just kills me.

Ferrari supply engines.

Haas, like all the smaller teams, needs money due to the drop in revenues in 2020.

Ferrari can therefore place Schumacher at Haas in return for a discount on engines.

It's a similar situation with George Russell at Williams, funded by Mercedes.

The situation at Alfa Romeo is a little more open - it's public knowledge that Ferrari place a driver there, in this year's case Giovinazzi.

Have Ferrari had any influence over who drives for Haas to date? I know all that you've said is plausible and as I have already said I agree they can influence the driver choices should they want to. Doesn't mean they will, and if they haven't in the past, why change that now? Discount on engines means that Haas get more money but Ferrari get less. They're in the same recession as the rest of us.

1. With the budget cap coming in, they have some spare funding.

2. They're hedging their bets. They like Schumacher, but want to give Giovinazzi more time.

3. It's not a huge amount of money to Ferrari in the big scheme of things.

4. Schumacher isn't exactly a slouch - he's leading the F2 championship, so it isn't a big risk for Haas.

OK, fair enough, those are Ferrari's reasons. What are Haas's reasons for agreeing with them? There's the engine discount, fair enough... but any other reason Haas / Steiner would choose to allow a driver in his team who isn't neccessarily his first choice? Would the engine discount be enough to trust Schumacher? To be fair, it's hard to imagine him doing any worse than Haas's current drivers.

Money.

Pure and simple.

Due to the drop in revenues, Haas need the money.

Whether that's achieved through a driver bringing sponsorship and/or through an engine discount with Ferrari, doesn't matter - they need the money.

If they can get Perez and Schumacher, that could be around $20m that they don't have with Grosjean and Magnussen.

Considering Haas are in large unintentionally self-funded (Those big Haas logos down the side aren't by choice) they now need $$$$$

I still can't see Ferrari risking putting Schumacher into a toxic environment at Haas when they have Alfa to ease him in gently. Giovanazzi has already made statements stating Ferrari will decide his future for next year and if Ferrari have watched what we all have with how easily Red Bull have ruined young talent in the top team, there's no way they will risk Haas. But then again, Ferrari don't always make great decisions.

[Sandpit Steve]

Muzzer79 said:

Money.

Pure and simple.

Due to the drop in revenues, Haas need the money.

Whether that's achieved through a driver bringing sponsorship and/or through an engine discount with Ferrari, doesn't matter - they need the money.

If they can get Perez and Schumacher, that could be around $20m that they don't have with Grosjean and Magnussen.

Considering Haas are in large unintentionally self-funded (Those big Haas logos down the side aren't by choice) they now need $$$$$

Driver salaries are also exempt from the budget cap, so if a driver will both work for free and bring sponsorship to the team, that’s a double whammy of extra cash for the team to spend on the car.

F1 prize money is going to be well down this year, as F1 haven’t been taking hosting fees from circuits and have had extra costs to deal with.

Bringing in Perez for a couple of seasons might just be what Gene Haas needs to stabilise the finances of the team.

[UnluckyTimmeh]

Gazzab said:

UnluckyTimmeh said:

Surely Schumacher would go to Alfa as he’s part of the Ferrari driver academy?

Yes and the haas is a Ferrari customer.

Ahhh. I’d forgotten. Cheers