Saudi Arabia added to 2021 calender

Saudi Arabia added to 2021 calender

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TheDeuce

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12,102 posts

38 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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A race along the shore of the red sea - albeit at night so could be anywhere smile

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.everyth...

Layout (I think this is final layout)



And in someones wet dream they think it'll look a bit like this when it relocates to a permanent track (in a theme park!?) in 2-3 years time.



Edited by TheDeuce on Thursday 5th November 15:21

SmoothCriminal

3,912 posts

171 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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They'll sell their soul for a $.

Instead of spraying champagne when they win they'll be stoning homosexuals and women convicted of adulteration.

FourWheelDrift

83,200 posts

256 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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Trophy design.


Blib

38,638 posts

169 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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SmoothCriminal said:
They'll sell their soul for a $.
This. Disgraceful.

TheDeuce

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12,102 posts

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Thursday 5th November 2020
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politics aside - what do people think of the circuit?

Note that it appears to run ant-clockwise if the runoffs etc are correct as indicated on the image above.

Big Nanas

841 posts

56 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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TheDeuce said:
politics aside - what do people think of the circuit?

Note that it appears to run ant-clockwise if the runoffs etc are correct as indicated on the image above.
Yes you can see its anti clockwise with the grid space directions.
Looks pretty decent to me, who designed it?

sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

53 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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I'm quite excited to see the return of Stewart GP, if that second image is to be believed.

Otherwise, roll on a woman getting in to F1 and winning a race there.

TheDeuce

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Thursday 5th November 2020
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sgtBerbatov said:
I'm quite excited to see the return of Stewart GP, if that second image is to be believed.

Otherwise, roll on a woman getting in to F1 and winning a race there.
rofl

Quite a variety of different era cars in that image! I'm not sure whoever created it knows very much about F1!!


thegreenhell

9,903 posts

191 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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TheDeuce said:
politics aside - what do people think of the circuit?

Note that it appears to run ant-clockwise if the runoffs etc are correct as indicated on the image above.
It appears to run around the city sewage works and a vehicle impound, with the pits on some waste ground behind the docks. No wonder they want to run the race at night. Presumably the surrounds will be kept as dark as possible so we can't see what a sthole it is.

TheDeuce

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Thursday 5th November 2020
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Big Nanas said:
Yes you can see its anti clockwise with the grid space directions.
Looks pretty decent to me, who designed it?
Not a clue. Seems very little information on it, other than 'it's happening'.

I don't think the articles I skimmed through even mentioned that it was anti-clockwise, but it obviously is. I guess now it's official we'll see some simulator footage fairly soon. They must already have had it in the sims to get some feedback on the proposed layout and speeds etc.

I'm not expecting any elevation changes, the area looks to be entirely flat.

matrignano

3,280 posts

182 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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Didn't know Berger is making a comeback in a 30 year old car!

Sandpit Steve

4,898 posts

46 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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TheDeuce said:
politics aside - what do people think of the circuit?

Note that it appears to run ant-clockwise if the runoffs etc are correct as indicated on the image above.
Anti-clockwise is good. It was said last weekend that Imola was the first a/c track this year, which was surprising. For some reason clockwise tracks seem to the norm in Europe.

The only straight bit on the whole track seems to be past the pits, and it’s probably the only overtaking spot. Last two corners look like they’re probably flat in an F1 car, so the last real corner is the chicane before that. There seems to be a good mix of slow, medium and high speed corners.

The render is too close to the water in a lot of places, there will need to be more runoffs than in the render, unless they have barriers right up to the track as we see in Canada and Australia - which would make for a good circuit where mistakes are penalised.

Expect the Saudis to spend a *LOT* of money on the facility and the race, the government there is building an enormous tourist resort and this will be the centrepiece of it. The race will be advertised absolutely everywhere as they try and attract inbound tourism, something that wasn’t allowed expect for religious pilgrimages until last year.

abzmike

4,606 posts

78 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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Right front tyre wear is going to be a bugger if its hot.

Sandpit Steve

4,898 posts

46 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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abzmike said:
Right front tyre wear is going to be a bugger if its hot.
Good point, I wonder when they’re planning the race to fit into the season, alongside Bahrain in the spring, Abu Dhabi in the autumn, or at another time?

I’m in Dubai and it’s still 35°C during the day at the moment. Any earlier than now, or later than about April would be way too hot to attract a crowd.

thegreenhell

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191 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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Sandpit Steve said:
Good point, I wonder when they’re planning the race to fit into the season, alongside Bahrain in the spring, Abu Dhabi in the autumn, or at another time?

I’m in Dubai and it’s still 35°C during the day at the moment. Any earlier than now, or later than about April would be way too hot to attract a crowd.
It will be in November, one week ahead of Abu Dhabi.

TheDeuce

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Thursday 5th November 2020
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Sandpit Steve said:
TheDeuce said:
politics aside - what do people think of the circuit?

Note that it appears to run ant-clockwise if the runoffs etc are correct as indicated on the image above.
Anti-clockwise is good. It was said last weekend that Imola was the first a/c track this year, which was surprising. For some reason clockwise tracks seem to the norm in Europe.

The only straight bit on the whole track seems to be past the pits, and it’s probably the only overtaking spot. Last two corners look like they’re probably flat in an F1 car, so the last real corner is the chicane before that. There seems to be a good mix of slow, medium and high speed corners.

The render is too close to the water in a lot of places, there will need to be more runoffs than in the render, unless they have barriers right up to the track as we see in Canada and Australia - which would make for a good circuit where mistakes are penalised.

Expect the Saudis to spend a *LOT* of money on the facility and the race, the government there is building an enormous tourist resort and this will be the centrepiece of it. The race will be advertised absolutely everywhere as they try and attract inbound tourism, something that wasn’t allowed expect for religious pilgrimages until last year.
The image showing the layout near the water is from google maps: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Saudi+Arabia/@21...

They're using existing roads for almost the entire circuit - so they are where they are.. You can see there is a bit more space than initially obvious if you zoom in, but for sure at places it'll just have to be track>barrier wall. Which is actually fine, it can makes the cars look faster than an expanse of open space.

Are they transforming Jeddah in to a tourists resort? Or do you mean Qiddiya? That's where they're in theory moving to in a few years as a permanent circuit, also in the same area will be a huge amusement park, mall, golf etc.

Teddy Lop

6,107 posts

39 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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They need to finish that roller coaster track before they let people ride on it. Unless they're going to call it the maldonater or something.

faa77

699 posts

43 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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So now F1 will just race wherever the most money is offered?

That'll make it great........ not

StevieBee

10,378 posts

227 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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Sandpit Steve said:
Expect the Saudis to spend a *LOT* of money on the facility and the race, the government there is building an enormous tourist resort and this will be the centrepiece of it. The race will be advertised absolutely everywhere as they try and attract inbound tourism, something that wasn’t allowed expect for religious pilgrimages until last year.
There is a quiet, positive revolution happening in Saudi... or at least trying to happen. Traditionalists are a dyeing breed and there's long been recognition that the country needs to start to prepare for a post-oil existence and align more with western norms.

I've been to Jeddah couple of times and know where the circuit is being planned. It should be OK. Jeddah is a very cosmopolitan city, completely different to Riyadh. People are more western-orientated and western-influenced. It's a nice place and were it not for the lack of a beer, I'd be happy to spend a week there as a tourist. I'm told that there are moves to permit alcohol for tourists.

There's also a big car-culture there, unlike Azerbaijan.

Whilst I'd rather see more races at the sort of tracks we've seen this year, I wouldn't write this off as a pure money making exercise.

StevieBee

10,378 posts

227 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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TheDeuce said:
sgtBerbatov said:
I'm quite excited to see the return of Stewart GP, if that second image is to be believed.

Otherwise, roll on a woman getting in to F1 and winning a race there.
rofl

Quite a variety of different era cars in that image! I'm not sure whoever created it knows very much about F1!!
I'm not certain but I think the DRS zone is a tad short and the FIA are likely to raise an eyebrow at the run off into the trees