Haas chose Russia’s Nikita Mazepin
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ajprice said:
TheDeuce said:
Almost twice as long actually - from lights out to the start of his crash Mazepin managed just 21 seconds of driving..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Brazilian_Gra...
tter according to Sky Sports. It's stuck. No going back now. The mob have spoken. 
Sandpit Steve said:
ajprice said:
TheDeuce said:
Almost twice as long actually - from lights out to the start of his crash Mazepin managed just 21 seconds of driving..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Brazilian_Gra...
HocusPocus said:
Sandpit Steve said:
ajprice said:
TheDeuce said:
Almost twice as long actually - from lights out to the start of his crash Mazepin managed just 21 seconds of driving..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Brazilian_Gra...
Congrats, you've found a way to make it even worse
CoolHands said:
That’s an interesting one. If you crash before you cross the line, have you started the race?
You're definitely 'racing' at that point, as you can pass ahead of reaching the line. So I'd say you would have started the race, just not yet started your first race lap, towards the total race distance count.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKzSqf0hcQY here we can see that he starts 1 second in to the video, then reaches the line dead on second 6, so 5 seconds to do that bit.
Then by 21-22 seconds he's lost the car and is no longer 'driving'. So he actually completed more like 15 seconds of the GP. Plus a few bonus seconds as a passenger on one of the most expensive F1 experience days ever paid for
NRS said:
What's the cost of making a new F1 car for each race, versus the amount of money his dad is putting into the team? Might his dad not actually get good value for money by the end of the season (at least in the number of new cars bought)?
He could write it off in every FP session, quali and race - he’s not going anywhere fast, unless his license is revoked or he decides to go into the art world.Petrus1983 said:
NRS said:
What's the cost of making a new F1 car for each race, versus the amount of money his dad is putting into the team? Might his dad not actually get good value for money by the end of the season (at least in the number of new cars bought)?
He could write it off in every FP session, quali and race - he’s not going anywhere fast, unless his license is revoked or he decides to go into the art world.Is Mazepin actually hopeless..? Time will tell on that front.
SpudLink said:
Personally I don’t yet see any reason to think Schumacher is special
I agree with this. Other drivers to win GP2/F2 include Palmer and Vandoorne. Haas drivers will be almost impossible to gauge as there isn’t a good point of reference in the car. I don’t see how either driver can ‘shine’.
I suspect Schumacher won’t have a walk in the park with Mazepin and this outcome will be of no particular benefit to either driver. Haas are a lost cause in 2021.
HustleRussell said:
I agree with this. Other drivers to win GP2/F2 include Palmer and Vandoorne.
Haas drivers will be almost impossible to gauge as there isn’t a good point of reference in the car. I don’t see how either driver can ‘shine’.
I suspect Schumacher won’t have a walk in the park with Mazepin and this outcome will be of no particular benefit to either driver. Haas are a lost cause in 2021.
Despite his reputation already Mazepin is a quick racing driver, even Mercedes with impressed with his speed after testing their car a while ago. Mazepin's issue will always be his attitude. Haas drivers will be almost impossible to gauge as there isn’t a good point of reference in the car. I don’t see how either driver can ‘shine’.
I suspect Schumacher won’t have a walk in the park with Mazepin and this outcome will be of no particular benefit to either driver. Haas are a lost cause in 2021.
Schumacher on the other hand seems to consistently improve rather than instantly come in and be mega quick, that said plenty of drivers have peaked in F2 or F3 and gone downhill once they got to F1, Schumacher could well be a driver who shines most in an F1 car. Time will tell.
DanielSan said:
Despite his reputation already Mazepin is a quick racing driver, even Mercedes with impressed with his speed after testing their car a while ago. Mazepin's issue will always be his attitude.
Schumacher on the other hand seems to consistently improve rather than instantly come in and be mega quick, that said plenty of drivers have peaked in F2 or F3 and gone downhill once they got to F1, Schumacher could well be a driver who shines most in an F1 car. Time will tell.
I agree. However it's not clear where he might move in the near future to be able to prove that. I wonder if his family's Mercedes links might outweigh any Ferrari Academy ones if Hamilton and Bottas both left.Schumacher on the other hand seems to consistently improve rather than instantly come in and be mega quick, that said plenty of drivers have peaked in F2 or F3 and gone downhill once they got to F1, Schumacher could well be a driver who shines most in an F1 car. Time will tell.
DanielSan said:
HustleRussell said:
I agree with this. Other drivers to win GP2/F2 include Palmer and Vandoorne.
Haas drivers will be almost impossible to gauge as there isn’t a good point of reference in the car. I don’t see how either driver can ‘shine’.
I suspect Schumacher won’t have a walk in the park with Mazepin and this outcome will be of no particular benefit to either driver. Haas are a lost cause in 2021.
Despite his reputation already Mazepin is a quick racing driver, even Mercedes with impressed with his speed after testing their car a while ago. Mazepin's issue will always be his attitude. Haas drivers will be almost impossible to gauge as there isn’t a good point of reference in the car. I don’t see how either driver can ‘shine’.
I suspect Schumacher won’t have a walk in the park with Mazepin and this outcome will be of no particular benefit to either driver. Haas are a lost cause in 2021.
Schumacher on the other hand seems to consistently improve rather than instantly come in and be mega quick, that said plenty of drivers have peaked in F2 or F3 and gone downhill once they got to F1, Schumacher could well be a driver who shines most in an F1 car. Time will tell.
Hope the name will attract sponsors/investors/new owner
Not to put too much pressure, especially against Kimi. Knowledgeable fans and the media know Mick's career pattern but I think there are those in the media who would probably secretly want to see whether Ferrari over-react.
TheDeuce said:
It's actually Mick that could have a problem if Mazepin does continue to be a ham fisted maniac/totally uncompetitive. Normally a rookie driver like Mick can shine even if they are stuck with a turd of a car, at least they can still beat their team mate which is important and a great indicator of the talent they have. But if your team mate is hopeless, beating them doesn't really show very much.
Is Mazepin actually hopeless..? Time will tell on that front.
It's possible. You need to show how competitive you are at the back of the grid. Is Mazepin actually hopeless..? Time will tell on that front.
For instance:
George Russell great in quali but goes backwards in races
Jules Bianchi in a Marussia could consistently compete with the quicker Caterhams
Takuma Sato would get lightning starts in the Super Aguri, create a train for 8 laps or so and then going backwards
Fernando Alonso was able to have a nibble at the lower midfield in his Minardi days.
Blib said:
entropy said:
George Russell great in quali but goes backwards in races
That may well be the car, rather than him. He still consistently beats his team-mate and he did rather well when he replaced Hamilton. C350Akra said:
Blib said:
entropy said:
George Russell great in quali but goes backwards in races
That may well be the car, rather than him. He still consistently beats his team-mate and he did rather well when he replaced Hamilton. M5-911 said:
Interesting, if you look at Russell second stint at Mercedes last year. Bottas was coming on him very quickly. Without the safety car and total mess of pit stop. Bottas would have been on him and certainly try to overtake him on track. I think it went from 8secons gap to 4seconds just in a few laps.
To be fair, Bottas has years of experience managing the tyres on the Mercedes over a race distance. That was GR’s first race in the car. SpudLink said:
M5-911 said:
Interesting, if you look at Russell second stint at Mercedes last year. Bottas was coming on him very quickly. Without the safety car and total mess of pit stop. Bottas would have been on him and certainly try to overtake him on track. I think it went from 8secons gap to 4seconds just in a few laps.
To be fair, Bottas has years of experience managing the tyres on the Mercedes over a race distance. That was GR’s first race in the car. Imagine jumping in a Redbull which is very focus on Verstapen driving style... Feel sorry for Perez
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