Haas chose Russiaโ€™s Nikita Mazepin

Haas chose Russiaโ€™s Nikita Mazepin

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Sandpit Steve

2,626 posts

38 months

Thursday 1st April
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ajprice said:
TheDeuce said:
yes

Almost twice as long actually - from lights out to the start of his crash Mazepin managed just 21 seconds of driving..
I was wondering how long the whole 'Is that Glock?!' lasted
Massa thought he was champion for 38.907 seconds.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Brazilian_Gra...

CoolHands

12,434 posts

159 months

Thursday 1st April
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I love the mazespin moniker!

mattikake

4,871 posts

163 months

Friday 2nd April
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Not read the thread, but apparently "maz-e-spin" was top trending on ttter according to Sky Sports. It's stuck. No going back now. The mob have spoken.

Stan the Bat

6,325 posts

176 months

Friday 2nd April
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mattikake said:
Not read the thread, but apparently "maz-e-spin" was top trending on ttter according to Sky Sports. It's stuck. No going back now. The mob have spoken.
Nice choice of words there. thumbup

HocusPocus

371 posts

65 months

Tuesday 6th April
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Sandpit Steve said:
ajprice said:
TheDeuce said:
yes

Almost twice as long actually - from lights out to the start of his crash Mazepin managed just 21 seconds of driving..
I was wondering how long the whole 'Is that Glock?!' lasted
Massa thought he was champion for 38.907 seconds.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Brazilian_Gra...
As Mazespin started at the arse end of the grid, does the 21s include the his time taken to cross the start line?

TheDeuce

8,857 posts

30 months

Tuesday 6th April
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HocusPocus said:
Sandpit Steve said:
ajprice said:
TheDeuce said:
yes

Almost twice as long actually - from lights out to the start of his crash Mazepin managed just 21 seconds of driving..
I was wondering how long the whole 'Is that Glock?!' lasted
Massa thought he was champion for 38.907 seconds.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Brazilian_Gra...
As Mazespin started at the arse end of the grid, does the 21s include the his time taken to cross the start line?
No...

Congrats, you've found a way to make it even worse rofl


CoolHands

12,434 posts

159 months

Tuesday 6th April
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That’s an interesting one. If you crash before you cross the line, have you started the race?

TheDeuce

8,857 posts

30 months

Tuesday 6th April
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CoolHands said:
That’s an interesting one. If you crash before you cross the line, have you started the race?
You're definitely 'racing' at that point, as you can pass ahead of reaching the line. So I'd say you would have started the race, just not yet started your first race lap, towards the total race distance count.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKzSqf0hcQY here we can see that he starts 1 second in to the video, then reaches the line dead on second 6, so 5 seconds to do that bit.

Then by 21-22 seconds he's lost the car and is no longer 'driving'. So he actually completed more like 15 seconds of the GP. Plus a few bonus seconds as a passenger on one of the most expensive F1 experience days ever paid for smile




NRS

17,058 posts

165 months

Wednesday 7th April
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What's the cost of making a new F1 car for each race, versus the amount of money his dad is putting into the team? Might his dad not actually get good value for money by the end of the season (at least in the number of new cars bought)?

Petrus1983

4,769 posts

126 months

Wednesday 7th April
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NRS said:
What's the cost of making a new F1 car for each race, versus the amount of money his dad is putting into the team? Might his dad not actually get good value for money by the end of the season (at least in the number of new cars bought)?
He could write it off in every FP session, quali and race - he’s not going anywhere fast, unless his license is revoked or he decides to go into the art world.

TheDeuce

8,857 posts

30 months

Wednesday 7th April
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Petrus1983 said:
NRS said:
What's the cost of making a new F1 car for each race, versus the amount of money his dad is putting into the team? Might his dad not actually get good value for money by the end of the season (at least in the number of new cars bought)?
He could write it off in every FP session, quali and race - he’s not going anywhere fast, unless his license is revoked or he decides to go into the art world.
It's actually Mick that could have a problem if Mazepin does continue to be a ham fisted maniac/totally uncompetitive. Normally a rookie driver like Mick can shine even if they are stuck with a turd of a car, at least they can still beat their team mate which is important and a great indicator of the talent they have. But if your team mate is hopeless, beating them doesn't really show very much.

Is Mazepin actually hopeless..? Time will tell on that front.

HustleRussell

19,065 posts

124 months

Wednesday 7th April
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SpudLink said:
Personally I don’t yet see any reason to think Schumacher is special
I agree with this. Other drivers to win GP2/F2 include Palmer and Vandoorne.

Haas drivers will be almost impossible to gauge as there isn’t a good point of reference in the car. I don’t see how either driver can ‘shine’.

I suspect Schumacher won’t have a walk in the park with Mazepin and this outcome will be of no particular benefit to either driver. Haas are a lost cause in 2021.

DanielSan

16,050 posts

131 months

Wednesday 7th April
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HustleRussell said:
I agree with this. Other drivers to win GP2/F2 include Palmer and Vandoorne.

Haas drivers will be almost impossible to gauge as there isn’t a good point of reference in the car. I don’t see how either driver can ‘shine’.

I suspect Schumacher won’t have a walk in the park with Mazepin and this outcome will be of no particular benefit to either driver. Haas are a lost cause in 2021.
Despite his reputation already Mazepin is a quick racing driver, even Mercedes with impressed with his speed after testing their car a while ago. Mazepin's issue will always be his attitude.

Schumacher on the other hand seems to consistently improve rather than instantly come in and be mega quick, that said plenty of drivers have peaked in F2 or F3 and gone downhill once they got to F1, Schumacher could well be a driver who shines most in an F1 car. Time will tell.

Leithen

7,414 posts

231 months

Wednesday 7th April
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DanielSan said:
Despite his reputation already Mazepin is a quick racing driver, even Mercedes with impressed with his speed after testing their car a while ago. Mazepin's issue will always be his attitude.

Schumacher on the other hand seems to consistently improve rather than instantly come in and be mega quick, that said plenty of drivers have peaked in F2 or F3 and gone downhill once they got to F1, Schumacher could well be a driver who shines most in an F1 car. Time will tell.
I agree. However it's not clear where he might move in the near future to be able to prove that. I wonder if his family's Mercedes links might outweigh any Ferrari Academy ones if Hamilton and Bottas both left.

entropy

4,056 posts

167 months

Wednesday 7th April
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DanielSan said:
HustleRussell said:
I agree with this. Other drivers to win GP2/F2 include Palmer and Vandoorne.

Haas drivers will be almost impossible to gauge as there isn’t a good point of reference in the car. I don’t see how either driver can ‘shine’.

I suspect Schumacher won’t have a walk in the park with Mazepin and this outcome will be of no particular benefit to either driver. Haas are a lost cause in 2021.
Despite his reputation already Mazepin is a quick racing driver, even Mercedes with impressed with his speed after testing their car a while ago. Mazepin's issue will always be his attitude.

Schumacher on the other hand seems to consistently improve rather than instantly come in and be mega quick, that said plenty of drivers have peaked in F2 or F3 and gone downhill once they got to F1, Schumacher could well be a driver who shines most in an F1 car. Time will tell.
This is why Mick is driving for Haas.

Hope the name will attract sponsors/investors/new owner

Not to put too much pressure, especially against Kimi. Knowledgeable fans and the media know Mick's career pattern but I think there are those in the media who would probably secretly want to see whether Ferrari over-react.

TheDeuce said:
It's actually Mick that could have a problem if Mazepin does continue to be a ham fisted maniac/totally uncompetitive. Normally a rookie driver like Mick can shine even if they are stuck with a turd of a car, at least they can still beat their team mate which is important and a great indicator of the talent they have. But if your team mate is hopeless, beating them doesn't really show very much.

Is Mazepin actually hopeless..? Time will tell on that front.
It's possible. You need to show how competitive you are at the back of the grid.

For instance:

George Russell great in quali but goes backwards in races

Jules Bianchi in a Marussia could consistently compete with the quicker Caterhams

Takuma Sato would get lightning starts in the Super Aguri, create a train for 8 laps or so and then going backwards

Fernando Alonso was able to have a nibble at the lower midfield in his Minardi days.

Blib

37,528 posts

161 months

Thursday 8th April
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entropy said:
George Russell great in quali but goes backwards in races
That may well be the car, rather than him. He still consistently beats his team-mate and he did rather well when he replaced Hamilton.

C350Akra

8,794 posts

244 months

Thursday 8th April
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Blib said:
entropy said:
George Russell great in quali but goes backwards in races
That may well be the car, rather than him. He still consistently beats his team-mate and he did rather well when he replaced Hamilton.
Exactly, he outperforms the car in quali, but, it does not have the pace to maintain that in the race.

M5-911

500 posts

9 months

Thursday 8th April
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C350Akra said:
Blib said:
entropy said:
George Russell great in quali but goes backwards in races
That may well be the car, rather than him. He still consistently beats his team-mate and he did rather well when he replaced Hamilton.
Exactly, he outperforms the car in quali, but, it does not have the pace to maintain that in the race.
Interesting, if you look at Russell second stint at Mercedes last year. Bottas was coming on him very quickly. Without the safety car and total mess of pit stop. Bottas would have been on him and certainly try to overtake him on track. I think it went from 8secons gap to 4seconds just in a few laps.

SpudLink

3,475 posts

156 months

Thursday 8th April
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M5-911 said:
Interesting, if you look at Russell second stint at Mercedes last year. Bottas was coming on him very quickly. Without the safety car and total mess of pit stop. Bottas would have been on him and certainly try to overtake him on track. I think it went from 8secons gap to 4seconds just in a few laps.
To be fair, Bottas has years of experience managing the tyres on the Mercedes over a race distance. That was GR’s first race in the car.

M5-911

500 posts

9 months

Thursday 8th April
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SpudLink said:
M5-911 said:
Interesting, if you look at Russell second stint at Mercedes last year. Bottas was coming on him very quickly. Without the safety car and total mess of pit stop. Bottas would have been on him and certainly try to overtake him on track. I think it went from 8secons gap to 4seconds just in a few laps.
To be fair, Bottas has years of experience managing the tyres on the Mercedes over a race distance. That was GR’s first race in the car.
True, but let's not forget that Russell knows very well that Mercedes and the 2020 car was describe as the best ever in term of balance. So something wasn't right during his second stint maybe?
Imagine jumping in a Redbull which is very focus on Verstapen driving style... Feel sorry for Perez