Haas chose Russiaโ€™s Nikita Mazepin

Haas chose Russiaโ€™s Nikita Mazepin

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Smiljan

8,760 posts

161 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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Lets face it they all drive cars around in circles as a paid hobby and are ultra self absorbed and obsessed with winning. It's a pointless pursuit they spend their lives perfecting.

A lot of young F1 drivers (and some more mature ones) have done worse than him over the years.

Lets just take Schumacher ramming into Hill deliberately or Senna taking out Prost. Some seriously dangerous on track antics by many seasoned drivers in the last few years just to stay ahead.

Hopefully he'll grow up and mature, I'm in no way defending him but he's hardly the boogeyman Reddit seems to make him out to be.


Schermerhorn

3,987 posts

153 months

Thursday 3rd December 2020
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Smollet said:
Meh driver imgo. Does he have more money than Perez??
Perez is backed by Cartel Slim though, right?

Smollet

6,228 posts

154 months

Thursday 3rd December 2020
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Schermerhorn said:
Smollet said:
Meh driver imgo. Does he have more money than Perez??
Perez is backed by Cartel Slim though, right?
I was being facetious as he hasn’t got the drive on pure ability as Perez outshines him completely in that department

Exige77

6,023 posts

155 months

Thursday 3rd December 2020
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Smollet said:
Schermerhorn said:
Smollet said:
Meh driver imgo. Does he have more money than Perez??
Perez is backed by Cartel Slim though, right?
I was being facetious as he hasn’t got the drive on pure ability as Perez outshines him completely in that department
Surely most rookies are outshined by experienced current drivers ?

Teams are looking for future potential ?

HustleRussell

19,079 posts

124 months

Thursday 3rd December 2020
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Munter said:
budgie smuggler said:
Sounds like a total helmet to be honest.

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/k4snkn/...
But apart from being an aggressive, violent, homophobic, racist, sexpest, spoilt kid. He's probably a nice guy right?
Well I just went from being entirely apathetic to hating him in the space of a few minutes.

Exige77

6,023 posts

155 months

Thursday 3rd December 2020
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HustleRussell said:
Munter said:
budgie smuggler said:
Sounds like a total helmet to be honest.

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/k4snkn/...
But apart from being an aggressive, violent, homophobic, racist, sexpest, spoilt kid. He's probably a nice guy right?
Well I just went from being entirely apathetic to hating him in the space of a few minutes.
Once you’re on the big stage, there’s nowhere to hide.

Sure all of his indiscretions will micro analysed.

Won’t be a good look for Haas.

I suppose he deserves a chance like everyone else so I’m waiting to see how he behaves.

Verstapen hasn’t exactly been a model rookie ? Fast sure but a but shouty and punchy.

Kraken

1,645 posts

164 months

Thursday 3rd December 2020
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Brainpox said:
That's not quite true though, is it? Fans complain about drivers hogging seats, and those drivers that do get through tend to have rich daddies.

What fans want is the best drivers in the world, not the wealthiest. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
Like I've said many times on here when has F1 ever been about the best drivers in the world? It can't be really when there are hundreds of professional drivers and only so many seats in F1. Unless they restrict the amount of time a driver can spend in F1 there are always going to be drivers missing out regardless of the money angle.

In modern F1 where drivers are getting in as teenagers and then staying around until their mid to late 30's the "problem" of the best drivers being in other series is only going to get worse. Personally I long for the day where people aren't so obsessed with F1 and realise there's a whole world of other motorsport with great drivers and less lunacy.

Lets be real though. No-one gets anywhere near F1 without enormous amounts of money (relative to the stage they are at) being spent on their careers. Whether it's their dad (and yes compared to 95% of the people in the UK Lewis Hamiltons dad was rich) or from a huge corporation it still takes money to get anywhere in motorsport and F1 in particular.

Exige77

6,023 posts

155 months

Thursday 3rd December 2020
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Kraken said:
Brainpox said:
That's not quite true though, is it? Fans complain about drivers hogging seats, and those drivers that do get through tend to have rich daddies.

What fans want is the best drivers in the world, not the wealthiest. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
and yes compared to 95% of the people in the UK Lewis Hamiltons dad was rich
Can you explain this ?

You must have an unusual definition of Rich

Dermot O'Logical

1,067 posts

93 months

Thursday 3rd December 2020
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Smiljan said:
Lets face it they all drive cars around in circles as a paid hobby and are ultra self absorbed and obsessed with winning. It's a pointless pursuit they spend their lives perfecting.

A lot of young F1 drivers (and some more mature ones) have done worse than him over the years.

Lets just take Schumacher ramming into Hill deliberately or Senna taking out Prost. Some seriously dangerous on track antics by many seasoned drivers in the last few years just to stay ahead.

Hopefully he'll grow up and mature, I'm in no way defending him but he's hardly the boogeyman Reddit seems to make him out to be.
Or Hill deliberately ramming Schumacher?

Smiljan

8,760 posts

161 months

Thursday 3rd December 2020
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Dermot O'Logical said:
Or Hill deliberately ramming Schumacher?
rofl

I watched it live and although it's a long time ago I still think Schumacher turned into Hill deliberately knowing it was the only way to win. Now as was then it depends who you support to what you believe.

Sort of proves the point I was making either way though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91JoW4mSiZo

Dermot O'Logical

1,067 posts

93 months

Thursday 3rd December 2020
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Hill deliberately rammed Schumacher off of the track at Silverstone and Monza in 1995.

The sort of thing easily overlooked by selective amnesiacs or those who don't really have any interest or knowledge of Formula 1.

Smiljan

8,760 posts

161 months

Thursday 3rd December 2020
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Ok misery guts. Again proves the point though.

LukeBrown66

658 posts

10 months

Thursday 3rd December 2020
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Damon never deliberately hit anyone! For goodness sake.
He made errors of judgement yes, but never intentionally hit anyone.
Unlike poor Michael who made a career out of it.

TheDeuce

8,911 posts

30 months

Thursday 3rd December 2020
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LukeBrown66 said:
Damon never deliberately hit anyone! For goodness sake.
He made errors of judgement yes, but never intentionally hit anyone.
Unlike poor Michael who made a career out of it.
'Poor' Michael confused

Slightly gittish michael might be more accurate! Which isn't a criticism, that's pretty much just how F1 was played a lot of the time back then. Ferrari still play dirty today!

Pizzaeatingking

437 posts

35 months

Thursday 3rd December 2020
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Smiljan said:
Lets face it they all drive cars around in circles as a paid hobby and are ultra self absorbed and obsessed with winning. It's a pointless pursuit they spend their lives perfecting.
On the contrary I've found Sainz, Leclerc, Norris, Russell & Albon to be the opposite over the past couple of seasons. Things might chance when some of them become 'mega stars' perhaps but they seem like decent guys.

Nampahc Niloc

776 posts

42 months

Friday 4th December 2020
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Pizzaeatingking said:
Smiljan said:
Lets face it they all drive cars around in circles as a paid hobby and are ultra self absorbed and obsessed with winning. It's a pointless pursuit they spend their lives perfecting.
On the contrary I've found Sainz, Leclerc, Norris, Russell & Albon to be the opposite over the past couple of seasons. Things might chance when some of them become 'mega stars' perhaps but they seem like decent guys.
I hope they don’t change, but look what happened to the Hamilton-Rosberg relationship: best friends to worst enemies.

TheDeuce

8,911 posts

30 months

Friday 4th December 2020
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Is anyone else a little sad Ilot didn't get in instead? Seems he would have been a less contentious and equally promising F1 incomer to me..

Smollet

6,228 posts

154 months

Friday 4th December 2020
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TheDeuce said:
Is anyone else a little sad Ilot didn't get in instead? Seems he would have been a less contentious and equally promising F1 incomer to me..
Agreed. Far better prospect than Marzipan as his results have shown. Unfortunately he doesn’t have some oligarch backing him.

Munter

30,455 posts

205 months

Friday 4th December 2020
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Anybody want to work with the lad?: https://haasf1team.bamboohr.com/jobs/view.php?id=1...

(Another job advert without a salary. In the bin.)

Kraken

1,645 posts

164 months

Friday 4th December 2020
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Exige77 said:
Can you explain this ?

You must have an unusual definition of Rich
Rich is all relative. To someone on the average wage someone earning three times more than them is rich. Surveys show that in the UK people consider someone earning over £60k a year (in todays money) is wealthy/rich.

I was an IT manager and then an IT contractor at about the same time as Hamilton and I was never out of the top 10% of earners in the country and often in the top 5%. I rarely took on more than one contract at a time either whereas Hamilton did. In my book if the vast majority of people in the country are earning less than you then that makes you rich.

Just because Hamilton chose to spend the majority of his income on his sons racing doesn't make him poor in the true sense.

It's one of the things that always bugs me with the Hamilton story. There were loads of dads around that era earning far less getting their kids into karts and drivers further up the chain living in tiny caravans to afford to drive and even losing their houses.