2021 F1 cars thread

2021 F1 cars thread

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Piginapoke

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1,845 posts

149 months

Monday 15th February
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TheDeuce said:
carl_w said:
TheDeuce said:
Best view. Looks to be a good job of packaging the Merc hardware.

It is a shame that they have to have the massive floor on the ground plane and can't make the floor the same size as the body.
I'm certain the aerodynamicists really love having the big as possible floor smile

I know what you mean though. Racing cars used to look a lot prettier than they do now.
Thank John Bernard and the MP4/1 coke bottle effect which started the trend. More space=more airflow= lower pressure at the diffuser= more downforce

TheDeuce

8,926 posts

30 months

Monday 15th February
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Piginapoke said:
TheDeuce said:
carl_w said:
TheDeuce said:
Best view. Looks to be a good job of packaging the Merc hardware.

It is a shame that they have to have the massive floor on the ground plane and can't make the floor the same size as the body.
I'm certain the aerodynamicists really love having the big as possible floor smile

I know what you mean though. Racing cars used to look a lot prettier than they do now.
Thank John Bernard and the MP4/1 coke bottle effect which started the trend. More space=more airflow= lower pressure at the diffuser= more downforce
The thing is, that shape complete with the large flat floor 'should' be attractive to motorsport fans on the basis that it's the best shape to get the job done. Yet on a purely aesthetic level, we can all imagine how much prettier the car itself would look if the floor was removed and chucked into a skip. We're basically saying that F1 cars would be more attractive if they weren't so bloody well designed and fast..

When you think about it, F1 is a bizarre sport for anyone to follow if they're more interested in style over substance. I'd recommend beach volleyball as a better fit smile

Bradgate

2,409 posts

111 months

Monday 15th February
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BAT are obviously pumping a lot of money into McLaren. Their branding is more prominent on the car every year, despite nobody having a clue what ‘A Better Tomorrow’ is about.

No Mercedes branding anywhere, either.

LaurasOtherHalf

19,715 posts

160 months

Monday 15th February
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I thought Coca Cola had something to say about that? Or is the Coke tie in more to do with Hilton?

Deesee

5,070 posts

47 months

Monday 15th February
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
How do you mean?
One for another thread and another day, let’s keep this F1 porn..

TheDeuce

8,926 posts

30 months

Monday 15th February
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Bradgate said:
BAT are obviously pumping a lot of money into McLaren. Their branding is more prominent on the car every year, despite nobody having a clue what ‘A Better Tomorrow’ is about.

No Mercedes branding anywhere, either.
There's a bit about it here: https://www.bat.com/abettertomorrow

Interesting note on the branding changing on the car race by race - perhaps the launch car is simply showing several potential positions at once?

Deesee

5,070 posts

47 months

Monday 15th February
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Bradgate said:
No Mercedes branding anywhere, either.
Paying full price for the power unit.. no discounts..

TheDeuce

8,926 posts

30 months

Monday 15th February
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Deesee said:
Bradgate said:
No Mercedes branding anywhere, either.
Paying full price for the power unit.. no discounts..
Might see a bit of a contrast in branding when the 21' Williams rolls out smile

Although last years Racing Point was hard to beat in terms of Mercedes branding. They'd styled the actual car itself to look just like a Mercedes..

Deesee

5,070 posts

47 months

Monday 15th February
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TheDeuce said:
Deesee said:
Bradgate said:
No Mercedes branding anywhere, either.
Paying full price for the power unit.. no discounts..
Might see a bit of a contrast in branding when the 21' Williams rolls out smile

Although last years Racing Point was hard to beat in terms of Mercedes branding. They'd styled the actual car itself to look just like a Mercedes..
You just wait till this year, I think they have out Merc’d the Merc..

(Side pods) wink


LaurasOtherHalf

19,715 posts

160 months

Monday 15th February
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Deesee said:
One for another thread and another day, let’s keep this F1 porn..
F1 teammates battle thread started!

Deesee

5,070 posts

47 months

Monday 15th February
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Deesee said:
One for another thread and another day, let’s keep this F1 porn..
F1 teammates battle thread started!
I’m in.

TheDeuce

8,926 posts

30 months

Monday 15th February
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Deesee said:
TheDeuce said:
Deesee said:
Bradgate said:
No Mercedes branding anywhere, either.
Paying full price for the power unit.. no discounts..
Might see a bit of a contrast in branding when the 21' Williams rolls out smile

Although last years Racing Point was hard to beat in terms of Mercedes branding. They'd styled the actual car itself to look just like a Mercedes..
You just wait till this year, I think they have put Merc’d the Merc..

(Side pods) wink
I'm guessing they're going to be far smaller, just like we saw with the mclaren today? Seems to be the way Merc are taking things.

Going to be interesting to see how Mclaren and Aston Martin stack up this season isn't it? Aston philosophy seems to be to copy the merc as closely as possible, on the basis 'why fight Merc design when they spent £200m more than us on it' (fair enough) - yet Mclaren, even after so much being dictated by the new Merc back end, retain their own design in many key areas.

Fairly certain both will easily dismiss Renault this season.

Deesee

5,070 posts

47 months

Monday 15th February
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TheDeuce said:
I'm guessing they're going to be far smaller, just like we saw with the mclaren today? Seems to be the way Merc are taking things.

Going to be interesting to see how Mclaren and Aston Martin stack up this season isn't it? Aston philosophy seems to be to copy the merc as closely as possible, on the basis 'why fight Merc design when they spent £200m more than us on it' (fair enough) - yet Mclaren, even after so much being dictated by the new Merc back end, retain their own design in many key areas.

Fairly certain both will easily dismiss Renault this season.
From what Im told..


Mc may struggle with the Pu integration to be relevant.

Merc (gulp) may struggle..(floor and low rake)

Aston... might just be the one.. omg..

On hearing from the sim runs

Mc midfield

Merc rear grip issues but quick

Aston totally un drivable !!

Can’t wait for testing biglaugh

resolve10

253 posts

9 months

Monday 15th February
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Also worth remembering Mercedes also won't have DAS available to them this season. There's no way of us on the outside knowing how much of an advantage it gave them, but they were pretty strong on safety car restarts all season. You can expect plenty of safety cars this year too with Mazepin on the grid...

I'm looking forward to seeing how close Red Bull can run Mercedes this season. Mercedes are a well oiled machine and even if what's said above is true, I expect them to turn up at the first race in Bahrain with the best car on the grid. Having said that, Bottas had some pretty poor races last year and RB have picked up one of the most reliable and consistent points scorers in the game in Sergio Perez, exactly what they needed to back up Max's raw speed.

Going back to McLaren, I would expect them to secure P3 again. Ferarri won't want another year so far down the grid and I expect them to make a bit of progress and challenge for 4th or 5th. I'd say Aston Martin & Alpine's success will depend more on the performances of Vettel & Alonso than the cars themselves, given how tight that midfield battle was last year.

TheDeuce

8,926 posts

30 months

Monday 15th February
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Deesee said:
From what Im told..


Mc may struggle with the Pu integration to be relevant.

Merc (gulp) may struggle..(floor and low rake)

Aston... might just be the one.. omg..

On hearing from the sim runs

Mc midfield

Merc rear grip issues but quick

Aston totally un drivable !!

Can’t wait for testing biglaugh
There's always a lot of hearsay, but I too can't wait for testing. It's normally a BS sandbagging fest apart from the last couple of days when a few teams think they have something (or something to fix) and can't resist a big push to find out for sure.. This year they have just 3 days total so I think they will hit the track hard early on and it'll be a bit more raw. It's also effectively an opportunity to test for the first GP at the same circuit so that too should encourage more real world quali and race sims.

Although as ever, I think Mercedes will show only 90% of what they have and then trust their data to have confidence in what they actually have.

resolve10

253 posts

9 months

Monday 15th February
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I've never really understood sandbagging. Put it all on the track and let the other teams stress about how they're going to catch up. There's not a lot you can fundamentally change on the car once it's at testing anyway!

TheDeuce

8,926 posts

30 months

Monday 15th February
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resolve10 said:
I've never really understood sandbagging. Put it all on the track and let the other teams stress about how they're going to catch up. There's not a lot you can fundamentally change on the car once it's at testing anyway!
Well normally when there is more time the teams can push just enough to make a confident judgement on where they really are, which is generally more of a headache for their competitors as they don't know exactly how they stack up.

With less time, the need to know quickly and for sure right away increases. I think this season the second half of day one could be the most 'raw' day in terms of them really pushing it. They need to know what they have ASAP day one to allow whatever changes they need to make day two to be proven day three, and that's literally all the time they have.

I'm probably not the only one that thinks the limited testing time F1 teams get these days is both hilarious and also ludicrous.

Deesee

5,070 posts

47 months

Monday 15th February
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TheDeuce said:
Although as ever, I think Mercedes will show only 90% of what they have and then trust their data to have confidence in what they actually have.
Merc are said to be struggling with the floor in the 21 regs, James Allison stated we could go from front to back (of the grid).

TheDeuce

8,926 posts

30 months

Tuesday 16th February
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Deesee said:
TheDeuce said:
Although as ever, I think Mercedes will show only 90% of what they have and then trust their data to have confidence in what they actually have.
Merc are said to be struggling with the floor in the 21 regs, James Allison stated we could go from front to back (of the grid).
So I hear. But pardon me for being cynical...


Which is most likely?

- James Allison is aware of a real problem and publicly makes their competitors aware of it early on

- James Allison knew there was a problem earlier on, already underway to being solved, yet recounts the problem publicly anyway to get extra column inches

Hmm...

This is the same team that stated proudly they had been 'talking to Seb' ahead of last season. Which I'm sure is true, but never seemed likely they'd be booting Lewis or pairing him with Seb! A little bit of truth, followed by a lot of bait for the journalists smile

jsf

22,354 posts

200 months

Tuesday 16th February
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Deesee said:
Can’t wait for testing biglaugh
Testing is a load of bks for seeing where they are at, you wont know the score until they have raced.