2021 F1 cars thread
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TheDeuce said:
carl_w said:
TheDeuce said:
Best view. Looks to be a good job of packaging the Merc hardware.
It is a shame that they have to have the massive floor on the ground plane and can't make the floor the same size as the body. 
I know what you mean though. Racing cars used to look a lot prettier than they do now.
Piginapoke said:
TheDeuce said:
carl_w said:
TheDeuce said:
Best view. Looks to be a good job of packaging the Merc hardware.
It is a shame that they have to have the massive floor on the ground plane and can't make the floor the same size as the body. I know what you mean though. Racing cars used to look a lot prettier than they do now.
When you think about it, F1 is a bizarre sport for anyone to follow if they're more interested in style over substance. I'd recommend beach volleyball as a better fit
Bradgate said:
BAT are obviously pumping a lot of money into McLaren. Their branding is more prominent on the car every year, despite nobody having a clue what ‘A Better Tomorrow’ is about.
No Mercedes branding anywhere, either.
There's a bit about it here: https://www.bat.com/abettertomorrowNo Mercedes branding anywhere, either.
Interesting note on the branding changing on the car race by race - perhaps the launch car is simply showing several potential positions at once?
Deesee said:
Bradgate said:
No Mercedes branding anywhere, either.
Paying full price for the power unit.. no discounts..Although last years Racing Point was hard to beat in terms of Mercedes branding. They'd styled the actual car itself to look just like a Mercedes..
TheDeuce said:
Deesee said:
Bradgate said:
No Mercedes branding anywhere, either.
Paying full price for the power unit.. no discounts..Although last years Racing Point was hard to beat in terms of Mercedes branding. They'd styled the actual car itself to look just like a Mercedes..
(Side pods)
Deesee said:
TheDeuce said:
Deesee said:
Bradgate said:
No Mercedes branding anywhere, either.
Paying full price for the power unit.. no discounts..Although last years Racing Point was hard to beat in terms of Mercedes branding. They'd styled the actual car itself to look just like a Mercedes..
(Side pods)
Going to be interesting to see how Mclaren and Aston Martin stack up this season isn't it? Aston philosophy seems to be to copy the merc as closely as possible, on the basis 'why fight Merc design when they spent £200m more than us on it' (fair enough) - yet Mclaren, even after so much being dictated by the new Merc back end, retain their own design in many key areas.
Fairly certain both will easily dismiss Renault this season.
TheDeuce said:
I'm guessing they're going to be far smaller, just like we saw with the mclaren today? Seems to be the way Merc are taking things.
Going to be interesting to see how Mclaren and Aston Martin stack up this season isn't it? Aston philosophy seems to be to copy the merc as closely as possible, on the basis 'why fight Merc design when they spent £200m more than us on it' (fair enough) - yet Mclaren, even after so much being dictated by the new Merc back end, retain their own design in many key areas.
Fairly certain both will easily dismiss Renault this season.
From what Im told..Going to be interesting to see how Mclaren and Aston Martin stack up this season isn't it? Aston philosophy seems to be to copy the merc as closely as possible, on the basis 'why fight Merc design when they spent £200m more than us on it' (fair enough) - yet Mclaren, even after so much being dictated by the new Merc back end, retain their own design in many key areas.
Fairly certain both will easily dismiss Renault this season.
Mc may struggle with the Pu integration to be relevant.
Merc (gulp) may struggle..(floor and low rake)
Aston... might just be the one.. omg..
On hearing from the sim runs
Mc midfield
Merc rear grip issues but quick
Aston totally un drivable !!
Can’t wait for testing
Also worth remembering Mercedes also won't have DAS available to them this season. There's no way of us on the outside knowing how much of an advantage it gave them, but they were pretty strong on safety car restarts all season. You can expect plenty of safety cars this year too with Mazepin on the grid...
I'm looking forward to seeing how close Red Bull can run Mercedes this season. Mercedes are a well oiled machine and even if what's said above is true, I expect them to turn up at the first race in Bahrain with the best car on the grid. Having said that, Bottas had some pretty poor races last year and RB have picked up one of the most reliable and consistent points scorers in the game in Sergio Perez, exactly what they needed to back up Max's raw speed.
Going back to McLaren, I would expect them to secure P3 again. Ferarri won't want another year so far down the grid and I expect them to make a bit of progress and challenge for 4th or 5th. I'd say Aston Martin & Alpine's success will depend more on the performances of Vettel & Alonso than the cars themselves, given how tight that midfield battle was last year.
I'm looking forward to seeing how close Red Bull can run Mercedes this season. Mercedes are a well oiled machine and even if what's said above is true, I expect them to turn up at the first race in Bahrain with the best car on the grid. Having said that, Bottas had some pretty poor races last year and RB have picked up one of the most reliable and consistent points scorers in the game in Sergio Perez, exactly what they needed to back up Max's raw speed.
Going back to McLaren, I would expect them to secure P3 again. Ferarri won't want another year so far down the grid and I expect them to make a bit of progress and challenge for 4th or 5th. I'd say Aston Martin & Alpine's success will depend more on the performances of Vettel & Alonso than the cars themselves, given how tight that midfield battle was last year.
Deesee said:
From what Im told..
Mc may struggle with the Pu integration to be relevant.
Merc (gulp) may struggle..(floor and low rake)
Aston... might just be the one.. omg..
On hearing from the sim runs
Mc midfield
Merc rear grip issues but quick
Aston totally un drivable !!
Can’t wait for testing
There's always a lot of hearsay, but I too can't wait for testing. It's normally a BS sandbagging fest apart from the last couple of days when a few teams think they have something (or something to fix) and can't resist a big push to find out for sure.. This year they have just 3 days total so I think they will hit the track hard early on and it'll be a bit more raw. It's also effectively an opportunity to test for the first GP at the same circuit so that too should encourage more real world quali and race sims.Mc may struggle with the Pu integration to be relevant.
Merc (gulp) may struggle..(floor and low rake)
Aston... might just be the one.. omg..
On hearing from the sim runs
Mc midfield
Merc rear grip issues but quick
Aston totally un drivable !!
Can’t wait for testing
Although as ever, I think Mercedes will show only 90% of what they have and then trust their data to have confidence in what they actually have.
resolve10 said:
I've never really understood sandbagging. Put it all on the track and let the other teams stress about how they're going to catch up. There's not a lot you can fundamentally change on the car once it's at testing anyway!
Well normally when there is more time the teams can push just enough to make a confident judgement on where they really are, which is generally more of a headache for their competitors as they don't know exactly how they stack up.With less time, the need to know quickly and for sure right away increases. I think this season the second half of day one could be the most 'raw' day in terms of them really pushing it. They need to know what they have ASAP day one to allow whatever changes they need to make day two to be proven day three, and that's literally all the time they have.
I'm probably not the only one that thinks the limited testing time F1 teams get these days is both hilarious and also ludicrous.
TheDeuce said:
Although as ever, I think Mercedes will show only 90% of what they have and then trust their data to have confidence in what they actually have.
Merc are said to be struggling with the floor in the 21 regs, James Allison stated we could go from front to back (of the grid).Deesee said:
TheDeuce said:
Although as ever, I think Mercedes will show only 90% of what they have and then trust their data to have confidence in what they actually have.
Merc are said to be struggling with the floor in the 21 regs, James Allison stated we could go from front to back (of the grid).Which is most likely?
- James Allison is aware of a real problem and publicly makes their competitors aware of it early on
- James Allison knew there was a problem earlier on, already underway to being solved, yet recounts the problem publicly anyway to get extra column inches
Hmm...
This is the same team that stated proudly they had been 'talking to Seb' ahead of last season. Which I'm sure is true, but never seemed likely they'd be booting Lewis or pairing him with Seb! A little bit of truth, followed by a lot of bait for the journalists
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