Drive to Survive Season 3
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jsf said:
He wasn't that bad considering his level of dosh being invested.
What struck me more is everyone in the team is terrified of him, which isnt really a healthy thing for a team like they have.
He is clearly a driving force, but not in the Zak Brown mold of encouragement, more a do it or you are toast merchant.
That's not exclusive to the F1 team either. I know someone who has to deal with once in a while and he seems to have a weird skill of being an intimidating presence but getting the best out of people. He definitely isn't shy about binning people off if he needs to thoughWhat struck me more is everyone in the team is terrified of him, which isnt really a healthy thing for a team like they have.
He is clearly a driving force, but not in the Zak Brown mold of encouragement, more a do it or you are toast merchant.
Things I’ve learned this season so far;
Vettel is considerably funnier and more down to Earth than I’d given him credit for. Really did not like Ferrari trying to muzzle him for using humour to deal with a crappy situation/season.
..and Ferrari are such a bunch of po-faced, arrogant, self-righteous liars. Everyone knows they cheated, got found out, got their cheat removed plus further engine penalties, but no, all we get is outright denial.
Toto can lift more weight than I can.
Thing I’ve had confirmed so far;
I dislike Horner even more - he’s such a slimy, whiny two-faced suck up. I wouldn’t believe him if he told me the time of day with my own watch.
Vettel is considerably funnier and more down to Earth than I’d given him credit for. Really did not like Ferrari trying to muzzle him for using humour to deal with a crappy situation/season.
..and Ferrari are such a bunch of po-faced, arrogant, self-righteous liars. Everyone knows they cheated, got found out, got their cheat removed plus further engine penalties, but no, all we get is outright denial.
Toto can lift more weight than I can.
Thing I’ve had confirmed so far;
I dislike Horner even more - he’s such a slimy, whiny two-faced suck up. I wouldn’t believe him if he told me the time of day with my own watch.
JonChalk said:
I dislike Horner even more - he’s such a slimy, whiny two-faced suck up. I wouldn’t believe him if he told me the time of day with my own watch.
He's a very difficult character to like isn't he. I can imagine that trying to lead in F1 is so challenging that it attracts a certain personality. Impact of Covid still pretty shocking, and amazing that they got racing so early really.
jsf said:
What struck me more is everyone in the team is terrified of him, which isnt really a healthy thing for a team like they have.
He is clearly a driving force, but not in the Zak Brown mold of encouragement, more a do it or you are toast merchant.
At the team briefing, both my wife and i thought he looked like a Mafia Godfather.He is clearly a driving force, but not in the Zak Brown mold of encouragement, more a do it or you are toast merchant.
rdjohn said:
jsf said:
What struck me more is everyone in the team is terrified of him, which isnt really a healthy thing for a team like they have.
He is clearly a driving force, but not in the Zak Brown mold of encouragement, more a do it or you are toast merchant.
At the team briefing, both my wife and i thought he looked like a Mafia Godfather.He is clearly a driving force, but not in the Zak Brown mold of encouragement, more a do it or you are toast merchant.
If you can't deal with the fact that other teams will use EVERY method to beat you, you shouldn't be in F1.
not sure it was the editing but the Crash episode, somehow Lewis talking about himself rather than about hoping the driver was ok yada yada yada..... just seemed strange because all other drivers seemed to talk about the driver.
Also is it me, or did Lewis just do a single interview at one point in time, instead of being interviewed during the entire season - is this because he "manages" his rights to his image - something that was a sticking point in his Mercedes contract talks?
Also is it me, or did Lewis just do a single interview at one point in time, instead of being interviewed during the entire season - is this because he "manages" his rights to his image - something that was a sticking point in his Mercedes contract talks?
rider73 said:
not sure it was the editing but the Crash episode, somehow Lewis talking about himself rather than about hoping the driver was ok yada yada yada..... just seemed strange because all other drivers seemed to talk about the driver.
Also is it me, or did Lewis just do a single interview at one point in time, instead of being interviewed during the entire season - is this because he "manages" his rights to his image - something that was a sticking point in his Mercedes contract talks?
There was definitely a lack of continuity in some of the interviews - or should that actually be far too much continuity? The team principals, for example, were wearing the same non-uniform clothes for all the interviews from the start of the season to the end, and making contradictory statements in what was presumably one sitting at the end of the season. Also is it me, or did Lewis just do a single interview at one point in time, instead of being interviewed during the entire season - is this because he "manages" his rights to his image - something that was a sticking point in his Mercedes contract talks?
Some of the driver interviews, on the other hand, were clearly done at a point in time during the race weekends over the course of the season.
Unlike previous seasons, when it was clear Netflix had a team at pretty much every race, this year they gave the impression of only attending four or five events. Which isn’t massively surprising of course, given the nature of the 2020 championship.
They completely missed my favourite moment of the whole season, which was watching Lewis with three wheels on his wagon, getting chased down by Max on the last lap at Silverstone. Also surprised not to see in the first episode much mention of Project Pitlane, which showed F1 in a hugely impressive light.
Sandpit Steve said:
There was definitely a lack of continuity in some of the interviews - or should that actually be far too much continuity? The team principals, for example, were wearing the same non-uniform clothes for all the interviews from the start of the season to the end, and making contradictory statements in what was presumably one sitting at the end of the season.
I watched the first few yesterday, the continuity is something that stands out to me.Horner had 3 different masks on during what was supposed to be Quali in Austria. One second he had the bog standard light blue, then a dark one, then the light one, then a Red Bull branded one
I’m eight episodes in and I would say that so far, I really dislike Lawrence Stroll, I’ve warmed a bit more to Vettel and Gasly after seeing how Ferrari and Red Bull treated them and Albon is a wet blanket who deserved to lose his seat.
I watch every single qualifying session and race every year and it amazes me how much the teams are portrayed in the media as being mortal enemies and yet you watch this and see that actually all the TPs are good friends (most of the time) as are a lot of the drivers.
I watch every single qualifying session and race every year and it amazes me how much the teams are portrayed in the media as being mortal enemies and yet you watch this and see that actually all the TPs are good friends (most of the time) as are a lot of the drivers.
DanielSan said:
jsf said:
He wasn't that bad considering his level of dosh being invested.
What struck me more is everyone in the team is terrified of him, which isnt really a healthy thing for a team like they have.
He is clearly a driving force, but not in the Zak Brown mold of encouragement, more a do it or you are toast merchant.
That's not exclusive to the F1 team either. I know someone who has to deal with once in a while and he seems to have a weird skill of being an intimidating presence but getting the best out of people. He definitely isn't shy about binning people off if he needs to thoughWhat struck me more is everyone in the team is terrified of him, which isnt really a healthy thing for a team like they have.
He is clearly a driving force, but not in the Zak Brown mold of encouragement, more a do it or you are toast merchant.
k up the design of the 2019 car... 
I'm not an expert on body language but there is so much to be read in those images
Stan the Bat said:
mick987 said:
miniman said:
Well Horner continues to be a whining little bh, no surprise there 
It just confirms how much of whining little bh, no surprise there h he is.Getting to like him a bit though . ( I'm not Geri btw )
Reminds me of an old boss of mine, I hated him and just couldn't trust him.
JonChalk said:
I dislike Horner even more - he’s such a slimy, whiny two-faced suck up. I wouldn’t believe him if he told me the time of day with my own watch.
I don't mind him at all. He is there to do a job, not make friends.Drivers are just another commodity, if they don't bring the goods then they will be binned.
Everything he does is aimed at driving the team forward, if you cant handle what that means then RB isn't the place for you.
His abrupt end of conversation, immediately onto the next task is a great strength in that kind of business, if he was like that as a friend, not so great, but we only see him at work, so we get his work side on camera.
I think Perez will do well in that environment, he is not a kid trying to prove himself, he will be pure business and that will work with Horner and probably Marco too, even though he is not one of his kids.
The guy that came across as most slimy to me was Binoto, he was clearly behind the cheating they carried out and is arrogant as hell as he thinks Ferrari are untouchable. It appears with the current FIA structure that's pretty much the case too.
The TP personality i like the most is Zac Brown, he took a lot of stick in his first two years as he started to make the changes to the team it required, that's now paying off. Throughout he has managed to build a great atmosphere in the team. When needed he isn't afraid to be a tough cookie, but he is naturally a decent guy and a proper racing enthusiast. He had too much of a bromance with Alonso, but that came from his awe of great drivers, i think now he is more experienced that wont happen again.
Cyril was far too French to handle the pressures of F1, he let his emotions drive his thinking, his reaction to Daniel leaving highlighted how naive he was, he expected a long term commitment from Daniel, yet only had a 2 year deal signed, doh!
jsf said:
I don't mind him at all. He is there to do a job, not make friends.
Agree with that. And very effective too. As he leaves his big house, kisses his Spice Girl goodbye to climb into his Aston Martin to go run a F1 team, it's hard not to think he's winning at life!Toto operates on a different level to all of them - to maintain that focus, dedication to perfection, whilst seemingly popular and creating a team spirit is very special. That's why they are 7 times world champions though. I think the team would implode with out him.
Guenther is great TV but not sure what else he brings apart from the ability to bulls
t Haas.I really like(d) Cyril. I don't think it's humanly possible to be any more french than him though
And I agree with you re Zak. In fact one of the things that I took away from this season is that I'm a mclaren fan first and foremost, then a Lewis fan after.
Still really can't warm to Riccardo though. I still think there's a nasty piece of works hiding behind that smile and he also isn't as good as he thinks he is. We'll see next season though.
mick987 said:
whatleytom said:
On the Ferrari episode. Are they not so subtley suggesting vettel was the source of info/snitch on the dodgy Ferrari engine?
Looks like it, all the stuff about wining fairly. Would make sense why Ferrari let him go.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff