Official 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

Official 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

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Stan the Bat

6,329 posts

176 months

Monday 5th April
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Yep, £7 per month would get me in.

Teddy Lop

4,692 posts

31 months

Monday 5th April
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mw88 said:
F1 have got to be looking at cutting out the middle man, and bringing it all into their own F1 TV subscription once the deal with Sky ends. (With highlights still on free-to-air).

I think they'd probably get similar revenue to Sky from subscriptions (And ad space) - Just checked the US pricing and it's $80 per year! Would something like £7 a month entice those who usually wait for FTA highlights? Beats paying £30 for Sky Sports!

Sky carry a lot of production costs, but F1 already have their own people at the track anyway doing Youtube/F1 TV so additional pre/post race programmes shouldn't cost too much more.
probably. 7 quid sounds a bit light, motogp charge 200 (140 if you vpn and pretend not to be British) although maybe liberty might understand economies of scale better and also the power of exposure - I suspect the reality is more likely to be a premium sub service alongside FTA with ads for the hoi polloi.

RunEveryInchOfTheWorld

1,767 posts

13 months

Monday 5th April
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mw88 said:
As harsh as this sounds, I don't think Toto has George's best interests in mind - Mercedes don't want another Hamilton/Rosberg issue if they put Russel in the seat and he's quick. It wasn't that long ago that Ocon was in-line for that second Mercedes seat.

Before Ocon, people were certain that Wehrlein would be in the car.

Teams having junior programmes is great, but seats in the top team don't become available quick enough once the young drivers progress. Look how many drivers that Red Bull have bank-rolled through their careers.
I don't think Russell is as good as everyone seem to be suggesting. There have been plenty of quick drivers and many have never won a race or wdc.

Alex wurz
Ralf Schumacher
JPM
David Coulthard
Rubens B
Massa
Webber

I don't think he will do well if he replaces Hamilton. He will be in a championship winning team and if he does not deliver, it will be curtains. I just don't understand why you want that pressure immediately.




DanielSan

16,055 posts

131 months

Monday 5th April
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mw88 said:
F1 have got to be looking at cutting out the middle man, and bringing it all into their own F1 TV subscription once the deal with Sky ends. (With highlights still on free-to-air).

I think they'd probably get similar revenue to Sky from subscriptions (And ad space) - Just checked the US pricing and it's $80 per year! Would something like £7 a month entice those who usually wait for FTA highlights? Beats paying £30 for Sky Sports!

Sky carry a lot of production costs, but F1 already have their own people at the track anyway doing Youtube/F1 TV so additional pre/post race programmes shouldn't cost too much more.
7 quid a month or so would be a bargain. It will be interesting to see how much the prices go up once the Sky deal for the UK and the alternatives for other countries and F1 have an audience with no alternatives to see it live.

It's not a direct comparison but Aussie V8's at the moment charge $AUS60 for a season pass and that now gives access to 2 days of 9 hour feeds for practice, quali, top 10 shootout, support races and the main game races as well.

DanielSan

16,055 posts

131 months

Monday 5th April
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RunEveryInchOfTheWorld said:
I don't think Russell is as good as everyone seem to be suggesting. There have been plenty of quick drivers and many have never won a race or wdc.

Alex wurz
Ralf Schumacher
JPM
David Coulthard
Rubens B
Massa
Webber

I don't think he will do well if he replaces Hamilton. He will be in a championship winning team and if he does not deliver, it will be curtains. I just don't understand why you want that pressure immediately.
If he gets to Mercedes next season he'll be in his 4th season in F1. There's nothing immediate about any pressure he'll be under, LeClerc was in the Ferrari in half that time and is performing as well as any other driver could in the highest pressure seat on the grid.

RunEveryInchOfTheWorld

1,767 posts

13 months

Monday 5th April
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DanielSan said:
mw88 said:
F1 have got to be looking at cutting out the middle man, and bringing it all into their own F1 TV subscription once the deal with Sky ends. (With highlights still on free-to-air).

I think they'd probably get similar revenue to Sky from subscriptions (And ad space) - Just checked the US pricing and it's $80 per year! Would something like £7 a month entice those who usually wait for FTA highlights? Beats paying £30 for Sky Sports!

Sky carry a lot of production costs, but F1 already have their own people at the track anyway doing Youtube/F1 TV so additional pre/post race programmes shouldn't cost too much more.
7 quid a month or so would be a bargain. It will be interesting to see how much the prices go up once the Sky deal for the UK and the alternatives for other countries and F1 have an audience with no alternatives to see it live.

It's not a direct comparison but Aussie V8's at the moment charge $AUS60 for a season pass and that now gives access to 2 days of 9 hour feeds for practice, quali, top 10 shootout, support races and the main game races as well.
But then it's the advertisement of the channel, the brand awareness etc. How popular is the now TV F1 pass?

Sandpit Steve

2,650 posts

38 months

Tuesday 6th April
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Teddy Lop said:
I'm mixed on that, for all skys faults having a broadcaster with the capacity/willingness to broadcast everything is nice, gotten quite into the f2&3

  • memories of itv cutting the coverage before the podium for Hamilton's first ever win*
The actual Sky TV product is very good, the original deal with Bernie was to set up a model of how to cover the event over three days, with a lot of access to drivers and team managers. The Sky coverage is also sold to various extents across the English-speaking world, something like 60 countries.

F1 have learned a lot from how Sky have done it, and are starting to do more of their own feature pieces and magazine shows across the weekend. I’d expect that, if and when Sky lose the contract, a number of their team both in front and behind the camera will move across and work for F1 directly.

entropy

4,062 posts

167 months

Tuesday 6th April
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Oilchange said:
Teddy Lop said:
Stan the Bat said:
I'm sure Sky have throttled CH4 as much as they can.

Can't wait for Sky to lose the rights.
I'm mixed on that, for all skys faults having a broadcaster with the capacity/willingness to broadcast everything is nice, gotten quite into the f2&3

  • memories of itv cutting the coverage before the podium for Hamilton's first ever win*
No way! I wonder why they did that.
Canadian GP and prime time telly slot, they were showing live edition Britain's Got Talent next. Piers Morgan saying he was watching the race just before they were about to go on air and was trying to compare a performer to Lewis Hamilton. Lockdown 1.0 gave me time to digitise my tape recordings if you must know!

This was ironically when ITV were losing interest in F1 just as Lewis mania ascending.

ITV did have highlights to FIA GT, ITC, F3000 and GP2.

Prior to ITV, BBC's race coverage was worse - interruptions for race horsing for example - and only improved in the Damon Hill era IIRC.

TheDeuce

8,909 posts

30 months

Tuesday 6th April
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Sandpit Steve said:
Teddy Lop said:
I'm mixed on that, for all skys faults having a broadcaster with the capacity/willingness to broadcast everything is nice, gotten quite into the f2&3

  • memories of itv cutting the coverage before the podium for Hamilton's first ever win*
The actual Sky TV product is very good, the original deal with Bernie was to set up a model of how to cover the event over three days, with a lot of access to drivers and team managers. The Sky coverage is also sold to various extents across the English-speaking world, something like 60 countries.

F1 have learned a lot from how Sky have done it, and are starting to do more of their own feature pieces and magazine shows across the weekend. I’d expect that, if and when Sky lose the contract, a number of their team both in front and behind the camera will move across and work for F1 directly.
That's the dream - that FOM own production team are learning from Sky with a view to at some point producing entirely in house, probably with several familiar faces moving across. That way the UK can indeed at last move on to the F1TV platform for live races and we can all enjoy more whilst paying considerably less.

Sadly, the other possibility as has been mooted in the press previously is that Sky are keeping FOM pretty happy in-spite of the ''awkward' agreement, as the Sky output is pretty good and is keeping the sport popular and attracting new viewers. Perhaps crucially Sky via their sub-brands and licensed content delivery to other networks represent a very large part of the F1 audience - not all of whom will easily translate in to F1TV customers if their traditional providers lose the content.

At some point FOM must want to cut out the middle man and take more direct control, but I wouldn't assume that will happen automatically when the current Sky deal is up for renewal. If FOM still feel reliant upon Sky and it's reach and expertise at that point, we could easily see Sky negotiate another painfully long and restrictive rights deal.


SturdyHSV

7,872 posts

131 months

Tuesday 6th April
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I am another that would more than happily pay for an F1TV Pro subscription to pay the money directly to FOM for the content they produce. I'm not interested in also paying for a VPN and to jump through various hoops to watch it, so will just continue to enjoy the Ch 4 Highlights until there is either a better FTA option (unlikely) or I can pay FOM for the content directly (fingers crossed).

ggdrew

131 posts

88 months

Tuesday 6th April
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Yeah the phrase used by Liberty a lot this year is "Over the Top" broadcasting of F1 direct to subscribers instead of thru Sky

London424

12,175 posts

139 months

Tuesday 6th April
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TheDeuce said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Teddy Lop said:
I'm mixed on that, for all skys faults having a broadcaster with the capacity/willingness to broadcast everything is nice, gotten quite into the f2&3

  • memories of itv cutting the coverage before the podium for Hamilton's first ever win*
The actual Sky TV product is very good, the original deal with Bernie was to set up a model of how to cover the event over three days, with a lot of access to drivers and team managers. The Sky coverage is also sold to various extents across the English-speaking world, something like 60 countries.

F1 have learned a lot from how Sky have done it, and are starting to do more of their own feature pieces and magazine shows across the weekend. I’d expect that, if and when Sky lose the contract, a number of their team both in front and behind the camera will move across and work for F1 directly.
That's the dream - that FOM own production team are learning from Sky with a view to at some point producing entirely in house, probably with several familiar faces moving across. That way the UK can indeed at last move on to the F1TV platform for live races and we can all enjoy more whilst paying considerably less.

Sadly, the other possibility as has been mooted in the press previously is that Sky are keeping FOM pretty happy in-spite of the ''awkward' agreement, as the Sky output is pretty good and is keeping the sport popular and attracting new viewers. Perhaps crucially Sky via their sub-brands and licensed content delivery to other networks represent a very large part of the F1 audience - not all of whom will easily translate in to F1TV customers if their traditional providers lose the content.

At some point FOM must want to cut out the middle man and take more direct control, but I wouldn't assume that will happen automatically when the current Sky deal is up for renewal. If FOM still feel reliant upon Sky and it's reach and expertise at that point, we could easily see Sky negotiate another painfully long and restrictive rights deal.
They’re also paying a shedload of money. £200 odd million a year is a lot of subscribers you have to convince to pay another subscription fee.

TheDeuce

8,909 posts

30 months

Tuesday 6th April
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London424 said:
TheDeuce said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Teddy Lop said:
I'm mixed on that, for all skys faults having a broadcaster with the capacity/willingness to broadcast everything is nice, gotten quite into the f2&3

  • memories of itv cutting the coverage before the podium for Hamilton's first ever win*
The actual Sky TV product is very good, the original deal with Bernie was to set up a model of how to cover the event over three days, with a lot of access to drivers and team managers. The Sky coverage is also sold to various extents across the English-speaking world, something like 60 countries.

F1 have learned a lot from how Sky have done it, and are starting to do more of their own feature pieces and magazine shows across the weekend. I’d expect that, if and when Sky lose the contract, a number of their team both in front and behind the camera will move across and work for F1 directly.
That's the dream - that FOM own production team are learning from Sky with a view to at some point producing entirely in house, probably with several familiar faces moving across. That way the UK can indeed at last move on to the F1TV platform for live races and we can all enjoy more whilst paying considerably less.

Sadly, the other possibility as has been mooted in the press previously is that Sky are keeping FOM pretty happy in-spite of the ''awkward' agreement, as the Sky output is pretty good and is keeping the sport popular and attracting new viewers. Perhaps crucially Sky via their sub-brands and licensed content delivery to other networks represent a very large part of the F1 audience - not all of whom will easily translate in to F1TV customers if their traditional providers lose the content.

At some point FOM must want to cut out the middle man and take more direct control, but I wouldn't assume that will happen automatically when the current Sky deal is up for renewal. If FOM still feel reliant upon Sky and it's reach and expertise at that point, we could easily see Sky negotiate another painfully long and restrictive rights deal.
They’re also paying a shedload of money. £200 odd million a year is a lot of subscribers you have to convince to pay another subscription fee.
Exactly - that's my point really. Long term it makes sense for FOM to learn from and copy Sky's production in house and go direct to the viewer via their own F1TV platform... But that's an end goal, a lot has to happen and be judged well to get there!

Which is why anyone hoping for Sky to leave the equation when the current agreement is concluded, is probably being a little optimistic..

Mr Pointy

7,752 posts

123 months

Tuesday 6th April
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There's nothing that Sky do that C4 & Whisper weren't doing before & given the antipathy towards Croft, some of it was better. It doesn't necessarily make sense for F1TV to take the whole production in-house, it's just a shed load of cost that can be contracted out. They key element is the talent in the producers & presenters who come up with the ideas for the coverage.

HustleRussell

19,079 posts

124 months

Tuesday 6th April
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There’s been some talk of Amazon getting it hasn’t there?

Jasandjules

65,972 posts

193 months

Tuesday 6th April
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RunEveryInchOfTheWorld said:
I don't think Russell is as good as everyone seem to be suggesting. There have been plenty of quick drivers and many have never won a race or wdc.
He got one go in the Merc. He was beating Bottas including overtaking him on track. He got within 1/10th of him for Quali (IIRC) You can't tell me that is not bad going for a guy in his first race in that car??!?

Northernboy

9,417 posts

221 months

Tuesday 6th April
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Jasandjules said:
He got one go in the Merc. He was beating Bottas including overtaking him on track. He got within 1/10th of him for Quali (IIRC) You can't tell me that is not bad going for a guy in his first race in that car??!?
Domenicali and Toto have both said that they believe he’ll be a future world champion, but what do they know?

Sandpit Steve

2,650 posts

38 months

Tuesday 6th April
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TheDeuce said:
Exactly - that's my point really. Long term it makes sense for FOM to learn from and copy Sky's production in house and go direct to the viewer via their own F1TV platform... But that's an end goal, a lot has to happen and be judged well to get there!

Which is why anyone hoping for Sky to leave the equation when the current agreement is concluded, is probably being a little optimistic..
Yes, there’s a right tangle of existing contracts in place, all of which have a higher or lower value depending on the others.

In an ideal world we have Sky continuing to do their thing, C4 or another terrestrial broadcaster doing their thing too, and the standalone F1 TV product over the top, including the live race broadcasts.

If Sky walk away completely, because they only want exclusive deals including web content, then the UK terrestrial package becomes more valuable, and may also include live races. F1’s sponsors want eyeballs.

Currently, Sky pay very well but also resell their content to many other countries. Those other countries could take the live F1 TV feed and pay F1 directly, so perhaps it’s not quite the £200m shortfall that F1 has to make up from UK OOT subscriptions.

talksthetorque

8,840 posts

99 months

Tuesday 6th April
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Remember that a LOT of people who get SkyF1 get other sports as well.
I waited until there was an awesome offer was on as I'm not fussed about the other sports and was not paying £18 a month contracted for 18 months for the F1 channel when they were offering all of the Sky Sports channels for £25 a month.
But as part of a package of TV, Phone, Fibre broadband, Sky ents and Sports (no UHD, movies or kids) for £55 a month, it becomes more hideable from the missus palatable.

TL:DR F1 have to work out what to charge the people who want to only watch F1, as opposed to getting a full sports package from their national suppliers.

Anyway, I don't know why we're discussing this on the Bahrain thread as it was on FTA sky Sports Main event as well hehe


stemll

2,527 posts

164 months

Tuesday 6th April
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talksthetorque said:
Remember that a LOT of people who get SkyF1 get other sports as well.
I waited until there was an awesome offer was on as I'm not fussed about the other sports and was not paying £18 a month contracted for 18 months for the F1 channel when they were offering all of the Sky Sports channels for £25 a month.
But as part of a package of TV, Phone, Fibre broadband, Sky ents and Sports (no UHD, movies or kids) for £55 a month, it becomes more hideable from the missus palatable.

TL:DR F1 have to work out what to charge the people who want to only watch F1, as opposed to getting a full sports package from their national suppliers.

Anyway, I don't know why we're discussing this on the Bahrain thread as it was on FTA sky Sports Main event as well hehe
Sky F1 doesn't seem to be available as a standalone channel any more according to their package builder. I certainly don't have it listed on my contract any more and I've had Sky F1 since it launched. Taking F1 out of Sky Sports will not reduce the cost of the package (because Sky) so any direct F1TV sub will be additional expense for anyone that has it for more than just F1.