Official 2021 Portugal Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**

Official 2021 Portugal Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**

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VladD

7,471 posts

230 months

Monday 3rd May
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Exige77 said:
VladD said:
Derek Smith said:
Henson said:
Am I right in thinking that you claim to be a writer? Jesus, it looks like something Welshbeef would post.
Thanks for the feedback.

I don't claim to be a writer. I am. If you want me to write pristine prose, you'll have to excuse me while I make my way to my desktop and a proper keyboard, which I do not to boot that up for anything less than £100 per 1000 words. (That's a negotiable base. I'm available.)
rofl
I have al me posteds vitted by my prof reader and layers before pisting.

It is Pistheads after al.

VladD

7,471 posts

230 months

Monday 3rd May
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CustardOnChips said:
WickerBill said:
CustardOnChips said:
But everyone has been saying the RB is the fastest car. And should have been on pole and got fastest lap.
Other than a couple of max mistakes, they would have.....
So, the Redbull would be the faster car if they had a driver who could maximise its potential? Like Mercedes have!
I think the Red Bull and Merc are so close on performance that who has the faster car now depends on which circuit they're at and what tyres they're on. I'd say in Portugal the RB was faster on softs and mediums but the Merc was faster on the hards.

The Surveyor

7,417 posts

202 months

Monday 3rd May
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Enjoyable race with the Max v Lewis battle simmering away nicely at the front.

For me, driver of the day was Lando IMHO. He made the most of his tyres, using his soft tyre to gain a couple of places then keeping enough life in his mediums to keep LeClerc behind him when the hard was the better tyre. Another solid points tally keeping him in third in the Championship.

entropy

4,135 posts

168 months

Monday 3rd May
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HighwayStar said:
It’s the longest season ever... I’d imagine Merc don’t want to be stressing the power units and components anymore the necessary for the win. A mentioned earlier, win as slow as possible.
Good point. It did occur to me when watching the race whether Max was allowed to turn the wick up.

Teddy Lop

4,826 posts

32 months

Monday 3rd May
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entropy said:
Good point. It did occur to me when watching the race whether Max was allowed to turn the wick up.
That's no longer an option is it?

carinaman

16,710 posts

137 months

Monday 3rd May
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Derek 'sending it' like Norris and Verstappen.

Or any other F1 driver in 2020/1.

entropy

4,135 posts

168 months

Monday 3rd May
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Teddy Lop said:
That's no longer an option is it?
That's engines modes. From the radio messages sounds like when drivers are being allowed to use full power ERS deployment?

Derek Smith

39,227 posts

213 months

Monday 3rd May
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The Surveyor said:
Enjoyable race with the Max v Lewis battle simmering away nicely at the front.

For me, driver of the day was Lando IMHO. He made the most of his tyres, using his soft tyre to gain a couple of places then keeping enough life in his mediums to keep LeClerc behind him when the hard was the better tyre. Another solid points tally keeping him in third in the Championship.
Good to hear. I'm a McL fan and I'm aware of my bias, so it's reassuring to hear others praise him. He's third on merit.

There's nothing quite like seeing a driver's skills improve race on race, especially when driving your favourite car. It was the same with Hamilton.

Mr Pointy

7,915 posts

124 months

Monday 3rd May
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DeejRC said:
I think it’s quite easy to say that Fangio would learn to cope and drive today’s cars very quickly. Fitness. In his mid 40s he pounded round the Ring like a man obsessed. In his earlier days he was doing races across Mexican tracks for 100s miles. Targa, MM, etc. Yeah I think Fangio would cut it somehow.
I don't think that's the case at all. There are things that Fangio would simply have no concept of - a digital display, a knob to select a menu, a torque map, what ERS is, why tyres need to carefully managed to get them into the right temperature range, the sheer number of adjustments required between each corner to get the best lap time. These are far more basic than g forces or fitness; they are fundamental ideas he would never have encountered.

What would Hamilton have to learn? Probably that the only variable control he has got is a brake bias adjuster. That & the mucher higher probablity of dying.

jsf

22,434 posts

201 months

Monday 3rd May
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laugh

Leithen

7,518 posts

232 months

Monday 3rd May
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Mr Pointy said:
That & the mucher higher probablity of dying.
I suspect a majority of current drivers asked to race a pre carbon-tub car would decline with varying degrees of politeness.

I wouldn't blame any of them for doing so.

entropy

4,135 posts

168 months

Monday 3rd May
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Mr Pointy said:
I don't think that's the case at all. There are things that Fangio would simply have no concept of - a digital display, a knob to select a menu, a torque map, what ERS is, why tyres need to carefully managed to get them into the right temperature range, the sheer number of adjustments required between each corner to get the best lap time. These are far more basic than g forces or fitness; they are fundamental ideas he would never have encountered.

What would Hamilton have to learn? Probably that the only variable control he has got is a brake bias adjuster. That & the mucher higher probablity of dying.
Michael Schumacher began his F1 career in a car with seqeuntial gearbox, hard Goodyear tyres and no drivers aids; cars with and without traction control; ended it with KERS, plethora of twiddly knobs and Pirelli tyres that would melt after a lap.

Prost began F1 with ground effects and H-pattern 'box, ended his career at the technological peak with driver aids and not to mention data analysis from telemetry and data logging.

Drivers adapt to the tools given through technology evolution over time. The problem with these type of questions is that when the time gap are a number of decades apart as in Fangio-Hamilton then it becomes almost a question of time travel; its like asking whether a person from the 1950s could use a smartphone.

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat

12,195 posts

60 months

Monday 3rd May
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Humans are pretty much the same species we were 100 years ago. I've no doubt you could move them around the ages and they'd still be the best drivers, albeit some might adjust better to the characteristics of one age over another. They're just racing drivers. In the same way they can be fastest in a Kart and F1, they could be fastest in a 1960s F1 car and a modern one.

Gary C

7,762 posts

144 months

Monday 3rd May
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Humans are pretty much the same species we were 100 years ago. I've no doubt you could move them around the ages and they'd still be the best drivers, albeit some might adjust better to the characteristics of one age over another. They're just racing drivers. In the same way they can be fastest in a Kart and F1, they could be fastest in a 1960s F1 car and a modern one.
That ignores the one feature in cars that has changed significantly

Risk of Death.

Some of todays drivers would just not have made it in the 50's.

thegreenhell

8,481 posts

184 months

Monday 3rd May
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Gary C said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Humans are pretty much the same species we were 100 years ago. I've no doubt you could move them around the ages and they'd still be the best drivers, albeit some might adjust better to the characteristics of one age over another. They're just racing drivers. In the same way they can be fastest in a Kart and F1, they could be fastest in a 1960s F1 car and a modern one.
That ignores the one feature in cars that has changed significantly

Risk of Death.

Some of todays drivers would just not have made it in the 50's.
You can't just transplant someone from today into a different age and say they wouldn't have made it then. If they had actually been around then they would have different attitudes from the different upbringing they would have had at that time. People adjust to the norms of the time they are living in.

And anyone suggesting that Fangio wouldn't be able to twiddle some knobs on a steering wheel is simply laughable.

Jasandjules

66,009 posts

194 months

Monday 3rd May
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Gary C said:
Some of todays drivers would just not have made it in the 50's.
Mazepin would not survive FP1.......

Mr Pointy

7,915 posts

124 months

Monday 3rd May
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thegreenhell said:
And anyone suggesting that Fangio wouldn't be able to twiddle some knobs on a steering wheel is simply laughable.
The premise was that Fangio would quickly be able to learn to drive a modern F1 car as fast as Hamilton. He couldn't; he simply wouldn't have the vocabulary to even talk about most aspects of the car. He wouldn't even know why the car has wings on it.

All Hamilton has to do is forget about all the fripperies & (apparantly) learn how to use the gearbox & clutch.

The Moose

20,844 posts

174 months

Monday 3rd May
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Bottas really needs to start showing up and giving Max more of a hard time!

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat

12,195 posts

60 months

Monday 3rd May
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Gary C said:
That ignores the one feature in cars that has changed significantly

Risk of Death.

Some of todays drivers would just not have made it in the 50's.
I doubt it makes much difference to their desire to compete. How many drivers left the sport because of what happened at Imola '94? How many have left because of what happened at Bahrain last season? Jules Bianchi? Massa? Schumacher? Hakkinen?

It's only an opinion, but I think too much is made of the bravery of drivers back then when compared to those now. I believe the DNA of racers is that they'll take those risks if they exist. Today's drivers are lucky in that they walk away from accidents that would almost certainly have killed them 30 or more years ago. That's not to say the sport should be purposely unsafe, just that the drivers will compete despite a lack of safety. It doesn't seem to stop them.

heebeegeetee

27,130 posts

213 months

Monday 3rd May
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Max Verstappen said:
If you say it's the car you are stupid, I made no mistakes but in the finer margins Lewis is a millimetre better in every department, I think we had similar pace but much respect to Lewis. He truly is one of the greats & congrats on his 97 today. The better man won.
Hi. Did he really say that? smile