Official 2021 Portugal Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**
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Exige77 said:
VladD said:
Derek Smith said:
Henson said:
Am I right in thinking that you claim to be a writer? Jesus, it looks like something Welshbeef would post.
Thanks for the feedback.I don't claim to be a writer. I am. If you want me to write pristine prose, you'll have to excuse me while I make my way to my desktop and a proper keyboard, which I do not to boot that up for anything less than £100 per 1000 words. (That's a negotiable base. I'm available.)
It is Pistheads after al.
CustardOnChips said:
WickerBill said:
CustardOnChips said:
But everyone has been saying the RB is the fastest car. And should have been on pole and got fastest lap.
Other than a couple of max mistakes, they would have.....Enjoyable race with the Max v Lewis battle simmering away nicely at the front.
For me, driver of the day was Lando IMHO. He made the most of his tyres, using his soft tyre to gain a couple of places then keeping enough life in his mediums to keep LeClerc behind him when the hard was the better tyre. Another solid points tally keeping him in third in the Championship.
For me, driver of the day was Lando IMHO. He made the most of his tyres, using his soft tyre to gain a couple of places then keeping enough life in his mediums to keep LeClerc behind him when the hard was the better tyre. Another solid points tally keeping him in third in the Championship.
HighwayStar said:
It’s the longest season ever... I’d imagine Merc don’t want to be stressing the power units and components anymore the necessary for the win. A mentioned earlier, win as slow as possible.
Good point. It did occur to me when watching the race whether Max was allowed to turn the wick up.The Surveyor said:
Enjoyable race with the Max v Lewis battle simmering away nicely at the front.
For me, driver of the day was Lando IMHO. He made the most of his tyres, using his soft tyre to gain a couple of places then keeping enough life in his mediums to keep LeClerc behind him when the hard was the better tyre. Another solid points tally keeping him in third in the Championship.
Good to hear. I'm a McL fan and I'm aware of my bias, so it's reassuring to hear others praise him. He's third on merit.For me, driver of the day was Lando IMHO. He made the most of his tyres, using his soft tyre to gain a couple of places then keeping enough life in his mediums to keep LeClerc behind him when the hard was the better tyre. Another solid points tally keeping him in third in the Championship.
There's nothing quite like seeing a driver's skills improve race on race, especially when driving your favourite car. It was the same with Hamilton.
DeejRC said:
I think it’s quite easy to say that Fangio would learn to cope and drive today’s cars very quickly. Fitness. In his mid 40s he pounded round the Ring like a man obsessed. In his earlier days he was doing races across Mexican tracks for 100s miles. Targa, MM, etc. Yeah I think Fangio would cut it somehow.
I don't think that's the case at all. There are things that Fangio would simply have no concept of - a digital display, a knob to select a menu, a torque map, what ERS is, why tyres need to carefully managed to get them into the right temperature range, the sheer number of adjustments required between each corner to get the best lap time. These are far more basic than g forces or fitness; they are fundamental ideas he would never have encountered.What would Hamilton have to learn? Probably that the only variable control he has got is a brake bias adjuster. That & the mucher higher probablity of dying.
Mr Pointy said:
I don't think that's the case at all. There are things that Fangio would simply have no concept of - a digital display, a knob to select a menu, a torque map, what ERS is, why tyres need to carefully managed to get them into the right temperature range, the sheer number of adjustments required between each corner to get the best lap time. These are far more basic than g forces or fitness; they are fundamental ideas he would never have encountered.
What would Hamilton have to learn? Probably that the only variable control he has got is a brake bias adjuster. That & the mucher higher probablity of dying.
Michael Schumacher began his F1 career in a car with seqeuntial gearbox, hard Goodyear tyres and no drivers aids; cars with and without traction control; ended it with KERS, plethora of twiddly knobs and Pirelli tyres that would melt after a lap.What would Hamilton have to learn? Probably that the only variable control he has got is a brake bias adjuster. That & the mucher higher probablity of dying.
Prost began F1 with ground effects and H-pattern 'box, ended his career at the technological peak with driver aids and not to mention data analysis from telemetry and data logging.
Drivers adapt to the tools given through technology evolution over time. The problem with these type of questions is that when the time gap are a number of decades apart as in Fangio-Hamilton then it becomes almost a question of time travel; its like asking whether a person from the 1950s could use a smartphone.
Humans are pretty much the same species we were 100 years ago. I've no doubt you could move them around the ages and they'd still be the best drivers, albeit some might adjust better to the characteristics of one age over another. They're just racing drivers. In the same way they can be fastest in a Kart and F1, they could be fastest in a 1960s F1 car and a modern one.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Humans are pretty much the same species we were 100 years ago. I've no doubt you could move them around the ages and they'd still be the best drivers, albeit some might adjust better to the characteristics of one age over another. They're just racing drivers. In the same way they can be fastest in a Kart and F1, they could be fastest in a 1960s F1 car and a modern one.
That ignores the one feature in cars that has changed significantlyRisk of Death.
Some of todays drivers would just not have made it in the 50's.
Gary C said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Humans are pretty much the same species we were 100 years ago. I've no doubt you could move them around the ages and they'd still be the best drivers, albeit some might adjust better to the characteristics of one age over another. They're just racing drivers. In the same way they can be fastest in a Kart and F1, they could be fastest in a 1960s F1 car and a modern one.
That ignores the one feature in cars that has changed significantlyRisk of Death.
Some of todays drivers would just not have made it in the 50's.
And anyone suggesting that Fangio wouldn't be able to twiddle some knobs on a steering wheel is simply laughable.
thegreenhell said:
And anyone suggesting that Fangio wouldn't be able to twiddle some knobs on a steering wheel is simply laughable.
The premise was that Fangio would quickly be able to learn to drive a modern F1 car as fast as Hamilton. He couldn't; he simply wouldn't have the vocabulary to even talk about most aspects of the car. He wouldn't even know why the car has wings on it.All Hamilton has to do is forget about all the fripperies & (apparantly) learn how to use the gearbox & clutch.
Gary C said:
That ignores the one feature in cars that has changed significantly
Risk of Death.
Some of todays drivers would just not have made it in the 50's.
I doubt it makes much difference to their desire to compete. How many drivers left the sport because of what happened at Imola '94? How many have left because of what happened at Bahrain last season? Jules Bianchi? Massa? Schumacher? Hakkinen?Risk of Death.
Some of todays drivers would just not have made it in the 50's.
It's only an opinion, but I think too much is made of the bravery of drivers back then when compared to those now. I believe the DNA of racers is that they'll take those risks if they exist. Today's drivers are lucky in that they walk away from accidents that would almost certainly have killed them 30 or more years ago. That's not to say the sport should be purposely unsafe, just that the drivers will compete despite a lack of safety. It doesn't seem to stop them.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Max Verstappen said:
If you say it's the car you are stupid, I made no mistakes but in the finer margins Lewis is a millimetre better in every department, I think we had similar pace but much respect to Lewis. He truly is one of the greats & congrats on his 97 today. The better man won.
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