Valtteri Bottas at Mercedes
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ajprice said:
If he's out they won't want him to go to a non Mercedes team and then McLaren and Aston might be too close to the main team to send him there.
The only way Mercedes can influence which team he drives for next year is to keep him signed up as a Mercedes driver. Otherwise he's a free agent at the end of the year and can go anywhere that will have him, whether Mercedes like it or not.kiseca said:
Two weeks ago on PH Perez was out of favour too, with popular opinion being he wasn't doing enough to keep his seat next year. Opinion has swung completely for both drivers over the course of a single race. Now all of a sudden he's a target Bottas can't reach. If in the next race Bottas is right on Lewis's tail and Perez drops it again, the opinion pendulum will swing again.
Perez can come through a field but that's only a skill needed when something other than an underperforming car puts you at the back.
Bottas is a great qualifier, arguably more successful at qualifying than Perez, which means he shouldn't often need to push a fast car through the field.
Perez can come through a field but that's only a skill needed when something other than an underperforming car puts you at the back.
Bottas is a great qualifier, arguably more successful at qualifying than Perez, which means he shouldn't often need to push a fast car through the field.
Bottas had a poor Baku and was taken out by a Williams earlier, but outperformed Lewis at Monaco before losing a podium in the pitlane.ajprice said:
Bottas has been there since 2017, early season every time he talks himself up with the 'f
k you', the v2.0, 3.0 etc, the I've got a beard now so that makes me better, then it's downhill.
I don’t think that’s really fair. Journalists ask all the drivers what their aspirations are, and they all answer with something along the lines of “improving all the time, & better than in the past”. He said Valterri 2.0 ONCE and it has been continuously parodied by all. The beard and the porridge were off the cuff and flippant comments for levity. He said them once. This phenomenon is due to Twitter and meme culture. k you', the v2.0, 3.0 etc, the I've got a beard now so that makes me better, then it's downhill.thegreenhell said:
ajprice said:
If he's out they won't want him to go to a non Mercedes team and then McLaren and Aston might be too close to the main team to send him there.
The only way Mercedes can influence which team he drives for next year is to keep him signed up as a Mercedes driver. Otherwise he's a free agent at the end of the year and can go anywhere that will have him, whether Mercedes like it or not.M5-911 said:
Once Bottas is back on European tracks, everything should be better hopefully. Only thing is that the Redbull is just a bit to rapid for Hamilton as well. It was fascinating to watch Hamilton trying to keep up with the Redbull this weekend.
What am I missing here? 4 out of 6 races this season have been in Europe. 5 if you count Azerbaijan. Gad-Westy said:
M5-911 said:
Once Bottas is back on European tracks, everything should be better hopefully. Only thing is that the Redbull is just a bit to rapid for Hamilton as well. It was fascinating to watch Hamilton trying to keep up with the Redbull this weekend.
What am I missing here? 4 out of 6 races this season have been in Europe. 5 if you count Azerbaijan. Exige77 said:
Gad-Westy said:
M5-911 said:
Once Bottas is back on European tracks, everything should be better hopefully. Only thing is that the Redbull is just a bit to rapid for Hamilton as well. It was fascinating to watch Hamilton trying to keep up with the Redbull this weekend.
What am I missing here? 4 out of 6 races this season have been in Europe. 5 if you count Azerbaijan. It will also be the only interesting thing, as it's Paul Ricard.
thegreenhell said:
ajprice said:
If he's out they won't want him to go to a non Mercedes team and then McLaren and Aston might be too close to the main team to send him there.
The only way Mercedes can influence which team he drives for next year is to keep him signed up as a Mercedes driver. Otherwise he's a free agent at the end of the year and can go anywhere that will have him, whether Mercedes like it or not.kiseca said:
Two weeks ago on PH Perez was out of favour too, with popular opinion being he wasn't doing enough to keep his seat next year. Opinion has swung completely for both drivers over the course of a single race. Now all of a sudden he's a target Bottas can't reach. If in the next race Bottas is right on Lewis's tail and Perez drops it again, the opinion pendulum will swing again.
Yep. It's exactly this sort of thing that keeps these sorts of threads bubbling away for eons. Makes for interesting discussion but really, none of us have any inkling of what's being thought or done behind the scenes.
Krikkit said:
thegreenhell said:
ajprice said:
If he's out they won't want him to go to a non Mercedes team and then McLaren and Aston might be too close to the main team to send him there.
The only way Mercedes can influence which team he drives for next year is to keep him signed up as a Mercedes driver. Otherwise he's a free agent at the end of the year and can go anywhere that will have him, whether Mercedes like it or not.thegreenhell said:
Krikkit said:
thegreenhell said:
ajprice said:
If he's out they won't want him to go to a non Mercedes team and then McLaren and Aston might be too close to the main team to send him there.
The only way Mercedes can influence which team he drives for next year is to keep him signed up as a Mercedes driver. Otherwise he's a free agent at the end of the year and can go anywhere that will have him, whether Mercedes like it or not.thegreenhell said:
How could that possibly work? He's either under contract or he isn't, and if he isn't then they can have no influence over where he chooses to work.
Post Termination Restrictive Covenants. The same that can apply to any job......... Is what I presume is being referred to...Jasandjules said:
Post Termination Restrictive Covenants. The same that can apply to any job......... Is what I presume is being referred to...
They are very hard to uphold in court. Attempted in my field a lot, most go to court and the covenant is quashed by a judge as being an unfair restriction of trade. Again, if it was possible Football would already have tried it. honda_exige said:
Jasandjules said:
Post Termination Restrictive Covenants. The same that can apply to any job......... Is what I presume is being referred to...
They are very hard to uphold in court. Attempted in my field a lot, most go to court and the covenant is quashed by a judge as being an unfair restriction of trade. Again, if it was possible Football would already have tried it. Jasandjules said:
honda_exige said:
Jasandjules said:
Post Termination Restrictive Covenants. The same that can apply to any job......... Is what I presume is being referred to...
They are very hard to uphold in court. Attempted in my field a lot, most go to court and the covenant is quashed by a judge as being an unfair restriction of trade. Again, if it was possible Football would already have tried it. But a driver? Unless said driver was being paid for the clause, I would imagine he would argue it would be restriction of ability to earn income?
Jasandjules said:
If they are reasonable and protect legitimate business interests they can be enforced. And you will be aware that many F1 teams have people who take "a year out" etc before moving to another team.
But in that case those people were full time employees who continue to be paid by the original employer during their period of gardening leave. F1 drivers aren't full time employees in the same way, and I doubt anyone would sign a fixed term contract which attempted to restrict their future employment after the end of that term. Muzzer79 said:
Jasandjules said:
honda_exige said:
Jasandjules said:
Post Termination Restrictive Covenants. The same that can apply to any job......... Is what I presume is being referred to...
They are very hard to uphold in court. Attempted in my field a lot, most go to court and the covenant is quashed by a judge as being an unfair restriction of trade. Again, if it was possible Football would already have tried it. But a driver? Unless said driver was being paid for the clause, I would imagine he would argue it would be restriction of ability to earn income?
Gad-Westy said:
Is there any precedent of a driver being unable to drive for another time once out of contract? I can't think of any but I'm not trying to be clever, maybe it's happened.
Nope, no precedent in any sport that I'm aware of. Closest was Kimi and Ferrari but he was in contract and they paid him to not race in F1.
honda_exige said:
Nope, no precedent in any sport that I'm aware of.
Closest was Kimi and Ferrari but he was in contract and they paid him to not race in F1.
Prost after he left Ferrari in 1991?Closest was Kimi and Ferrari but he was in contract and they paid him to not race in F1.
Or was that more a case of all other seats were taken? Apologies if I’m wrong, but I can’t be bothered to dig out my back catalogue of Autosports to find out.
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