Michael Masi should be replaced

Michael Masi should be replaced

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StevieBee

10,363 posts

227 months

Tuesday 31st August
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sparta6 said:
F1 cars today are cutting edge, but only in decent weather. Perhaps they could benefit from a new wet tyre design to improve dispersement pattern and visibility.
Tyres are only half the battle. It's the ground effect that contributes the most to the spray.

Took this photo at the Classic a few weeks back. It's an early 80s Tyrell so nothing like the ground effect of today. The track was nearly dry with any moisture resting below the surface of the stones in the tarmac. I'd say that around 80% or even 90% of that mist you see was thrown into the air by the car's aerodynamics rather than the tyres.

Through the long lens you could actually see the water being lifted from the road directly under the car.


sparta6

2,890 posts

72 months

Tuesday 31st August
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StevieBee said:
sparta6 said:
F1 cars today are cutting edge, but only in decent weather. Perhaps they could benefit from a new wet tyre design to improve dispersement pattern and visibility.
Tyres are only half the battle. It's the ground effect that contributes the most to the spray.

Took this photo at the Classic a few weeks back. It's an early 80s Tyrell so nothing like the ground effect of today. The track was nearly dry with any moisture resting below the surface of the stones in the tarmac. I'd say that around 80% or even 90% of that mist you see was thrown into the air by the car's aerodynamics rather than the tyres.

Through the long lens you could actually see the water being lifted from the road directly under the car.

Good shot.
Agree that tyres are only part of the lacking.

Partial "spray duct diffusers" must be a viable possibility for F1 designers.

It would need initiation and mandating by FIA but we are seeing more frequent wet summers globally so justified in my view.


K50 DEL

8,503 posts

200 months

Saturday 4th September
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I think his efforts with red flags this weekend have proved the OP to be correct without any doubt.

Throwing that red in quali before the car even had a chance to drive away was a crazy decision, this is F1 not kiddies play cars, a level of risk is accepted and expected, if he can't cope with that then he should be replaced.

rscott

12,752 posts

163 months

Saturday 4th September
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K50 DEL said:
I think his efforts with red flags this weekend have proved the OP to be correct without any doubt.

Throwing that red in quali before the car even had a chance to drive away was a crazy decision, this is F1 not kiddies play cars, a level of risk is accepted and expected, if he can't cope with that then he should be replaced.
They had to stop the session to rebuild the barrier - couldn't leave the advertising where it landed.

stemll

2,824 posts

172 months

Sunday 5th September
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rscott said:
K50 DEL said:
I think his efforts with red flags this weekend have proved the OP to be correct without any doubt.

Throwing that red in quali before the car even had a chance to drive away was a crazy decision, this is F1 not kiddies play cars, a level of risk is accepted and expected, if he can't cope with that then he should be replaced.
They had to stop the session to rebuild the barrier - couldn't leave the advertising where it landed.
Add to that, once he got moving he deposited half of the gravel trap onto the banking. No way to clear that safely under yellows (well, there would have been as no-one would have been on circuit under yellows so it would have been exactly the same except that the clock would have run down). Latifi made that a moot point anyway once they did restart.

mat205125

16,343 posts

185 months

Monday 6th September
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Given the impossible poison chalice of trying to taken decisions for the good of all concerned, I think he does a superb job and can't think of anyone better for the role

entropy

4,343 posts

175 months

Monday 6th September
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Eduardo Freitas gets a lot of praise from John Hindaugh. Surprised he wasn't called up to replace Charlie given his extensive experience.

LM240

3,813 posts

190 months

Monday 6th September
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entropy said:
Eduardo Freitas gets a lot of praise from John Hindaugh. Surprised he wasn't called up to replace Charlie given his extensive experience.
He is very good and it is nice you get the direct comms from him to the drivers/teams.

oyster

10,751 posts

220 months

Thursday 9th September
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K50 DEL said:
I think his efforts with red flags this weekend have proved the OP to be correct without any doubt.

Throwing that red in quali before the car even had a chance to drive away was a crazy decision, this is F1 not kiddies play cars, a level of risk is accepted and expected, if he can't cope with that then he should be replaced.
That red saved the remaining time in the session.
Had they relied on waved yellows alone, then no-one else would have had time for a timed lap before the end of the session.

Munter

30,919 posts

213 months

Thursday 9th September
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oyster said:
K50 DEL said:
I think his efforts with red flags this weekend have proved the OP to be correct without any doubt.

Throwing that red in quali before the car even had a chance to drive away was a crazy decision, this is F1 not kiddies play cars, a level of risk is accepted and expected, if he can't cope with that then he should be replaced.
That red saved the remaining time in the session.
Had they relied on waved yellows alone, then no-one else would have had time for a timed lap before the end of the session.
I don't even think it was a decision at that point in time. It got thrown so quickly I assumed it'd been discussed and agreed among a group of officials, that if a car is in that barrier (and probably a bunch of other spots) during quali, a red happens.

thegreenhell

9,854 posts

191 months

Thursday 9th September
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There's simply no point is using yellows in qualifying for any major incident. No car is allowed to set a fast sector time in a yellow sector, so if the yellow is going to be out for more than a lap they'll just pit anyway, so may as well go red and stop the clock.

In the case of Russell's crash at Zandvoort, although he managed to drive straight out of the gravel, the barrier was obviously damaged and needed to be repaired.

cc3

Original Poster:

819 posts

88 months

Saturday 25th September
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Woke F1 doesn’t run in the rain anymore under Masi. No point having wet tyres. Stuff the fans

HARTLEYHARE1

499 posts

101 months

Saturday 25th September
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cc3 said:
Woke F1 doesn’t run in the rain anymore under Masi. No point having wet tyres. Stuff the fans
Watch out, the H&S boys will be after you

Utter joke of late

cc3

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819 posts

88 months

Monday 15th November
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Saw again in Brazil this guy is not up to the job. Not getting the stewards to at least investigate the incident is one big failure but then to compound it by not having the on board feed to hand. He will have to eat humble pie and back track this week otherwise he’s lost any credibility with most of the teams. Mercedes’ should sue

LukeBrown66

1,448 posts

18 months

Tuesday 16th November
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I have a ton of sympathy for Masi, safety is his paramount concern, and he does that well.

And now we have access to the stuff teams say to him, and we only get what is broadcastable, can you imagine dealing with the self serving, petulant little men for two and a half hours every few weeks?#

Put yourself in his position, I would spend half my time telling them to eff off.

ArnageWRC

1,410 posts

131 months

Tuesday 16th November
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I don't think Masi, is good, and neither did I think Whiting was much better; in fact, the best race director is probably Eduardo Freitas, in the WEC; though even he has been involved in an error recently with the non penalty for the AF Corse Ferrari punting the Porsche off.....and 'winning' the GTE-Pro title...

ChocolateFrog

14,723 posts

145 months

Tuesday 16th November
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It's the inconsistencies that bothered me.

Things like Spa are an anomaly and I highly doubt he made that decision alone, billionaires needed to be paid.

That decision this weekend was unforgivable, he's punished much less this season, he bottled it big time.

To not even investigate was contemptible.

patmahe

5,447 posts

176 months

Tuesday 16th November
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cc3 said:
Woke F1 doesn’t run in the rain anymore under Masi. No point having wet tyres. Stuff the fans
In conditions where the car effectively becomes a boat, that's the right decision. Now if they want to regulate a car that can race properly in a deluge, that's a different story.

thegreenhell

9,854 posts

191 months

Tuesday 16th November
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Why is that his fault? It's for the stewards to investigate and punish rule infringements, not the race director.

TheDeuce

11,897 posts

38 months

Tuesday 16th November
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thegreenhell said:
Why is that his fault? It's for the stewards to investigate and punish rule infringements, not the race director.
His direction to the stewards was that they must investigate such an incident. They did not, and he didn't do anything about that.

He let it go... you're not supposed to do that when you hold such an influential position.