Jamie Chadwick - First competitive female driver in F1?
Discussion
Burrow01 said:
If you have more female drivers, you have more female viewers, spectators, and therefore more sponsors bringing their money to the sport.
I'm sure there'd be a small increase in women actually watching the odd race out of curiosity (perhaps those who'd usually 'tolerate' it whilst their partner watches it live) to see how 'Jane Fast' is doing at Silverstone GP. But I very much doubt having a female F1 driver would suddenly make vast swathes of women previously uninterested in motor racing suddenly start watching it. Much like WSL is still mostly watched by men, despite there being some great successes including England winning the Euro's this year. If folks aren't interested in a particular sport then they just aren't.trackdemon said:
Little bit of contradiction going on there, no? 
I'm not aware of sexism in F1, certainly not the post millennium version. There's LOADS of women employed in many and varied roles throughout the F1 community (and no, not just catering for the misogynists).
It was certainly true a couple of decades ago, that the ladies in the paddock were doing marketing, catering and modelling - but it’s very much true now, that there are women in every single position in the team. I'm not aware of sexism in F1, certainly not the post millennium version. There's LOADS of women employed in many and varied roles throughout the F1 community (and no, not just catering for the misogynists).There was even a lady team principal a few years back, Monisha Kaltenborn at Sauber. There’s a load of engineers, strategists, mechanics, personal trainers, journalists and more, visible every weekend. The only two jobs I think that don’t have any female representation, are technical directors and drivers.
Sandpit Steve said:
trackdemon said:
Little bit of contradiction going on there, no? I'm not aware of sexism in F1, certainly not the post millennium version. There's LOADS of women employed in many and varied roles throughout the F1 community (and no, not just catering for the misogynists).
It was certainly true a couple of decades ago, that the ladies in the paddock were doing marketing, catering and modelling - but it’s very much true now, that there are women in every single position in the team. I'm not aware of sexism in F1, certainly not the post millennium version. There's LOADS of women employed in many and varied roles throughout the F1 community (and no, not just catering for the misogynists).There was even a lady team principal a few years back, Monisha Kaltenborn at Sauber. There’s a load of engineers, strategists, mechanics, personal trainers, journalists and more, visible every weekend. The only two jobs I think that don’t have any female representation, are technical directors and drivers.
trackdemon said:
Burrow01 said:
If you have more female drivers, you have more female viewers, spectators, and therefore more sponsors bringing their money to the sport.
I'm sure there'd be a small increase in women actually watching the odd race out of curiosity (perhaps those who'd usually 'tolerate' it whilst their partner watches it live) to see how 'Jane Fast' is doing at Silverstone GP. But I very much doubt having a female F1 driver would suddenly make vast swathes of women previously uninterested in motor racing suddenly start watching it. Much like WSL is still mostly watched by men, despite there being some great successes including England winning the Euro's this year. If folks aren't interested in a particular sport then they just aren't.Its already been mentioned that sponsors would be falling over themselves to be associated with a female F1 driver, and so even if a small percentage of women get interested in F1, it would be a significant increase in coverage.
andyA700 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
trackdemon said:
Little bit of contradiction going on there, no? I'm not aware of sexism in F1, certainly not the post millennium version. There's LOADS of women employed in many and varied roles throughout the F1 community (and no, not just catering for the misogynists).
It was certainly true a couple of decades ago, that the ladies in the paddock were doing marketing, catering and modelling - but it’s very much true now, that there are women in every single position in the team. I'm not aware of sexism in F1, certainly not the post millennium version. There's LOADS of women employed in many and varied roles throughout the F1 community (and no, not just catering for the misogynists).There was even a lady team principal a few years back, Monisha Kaltenborn at Sauber. There’s a load of engineers, strategists, mechanics, personal trainers, journalists and more, visible every weekend. The only two jobs I think that don’t have any female representation, are technical directors and drivers.
My point about female employment in F1 was this.
Teams are falling over themselves to employ women, same as police are falling over themselves to employ ethnic minorities, mainly because they are right for the role, but also because it ticks Hr boxes and looks good to shareholders and gives HR something to do and warrant their vast salaries.
Some of these people are great, some are perhaps not the best option for the role but get the nod for "other" reasons.
To me it is fair enough, shareholders and sponsors often make demands like this for teams to be better at it, so it is fine.
But traditionally you usually see women in PR and admin roles, at which they seem to dominate quite honestly.
Teams are falling over themselves to employ women, same as police are falling over themselves to employ ethnic minorities, mainly because they are right for the role, but also because it ticks Hr boxes and looks good to shareholders and gives HR something to do and warrant their vast salaries.
Some of these people are great, some are perhaps not the best option for the role but get the nod for "other" reasons.
To me it is fair enough, shareholders and sponsors often make demands like this for teams to be better at it, so it is fine.
But traditionally you usually see women in PR and admin roles, at which they seem to dominate quite honestly.
alisdairm said:
To run alongside the W-Series....apparently!alisdairm said:
Using F4 type cars. Each driver having to find Euro 150,000 to take part.Needed to be a step up from FW, not backwards. I would be surprised if they can find enough (any) drivers with that price tag.
MustangGT said:
alisdairm said:
Using F4 type cars. Each driver having to find Euro 150,000 to take part.Needed to be a step up from FW, not backwards. I would be surprised if they can find enough (any) drivers with that price tag.
MustangGT said:
Using F4 type cars. Each driver having to find Euro 150,000 to take part.
Needed to be a step up from FW, not backwards. I would be surprised if they can find enough (any) drivers with that price tag.
150k - peanuts for any f1 team wanting to show they are backing female talentNeeded to be a step up from FW, not backwards. I would be surprised if they can find enough (any) drivers with that price tag.
needs more lower level scheme. Jamie is the best of the current bunch but you get the feeling shes not rated against her male counterparts. That could be sexism or it could be shes the best of a bad/very average bunch.
andburg said:
MustangGT said:
Using F4 type cars. Each driver having to find Euro 150,000 to take part.
Needed to be a step up from FW, not backwards. I would be surprised if they can find enough (any) drivers with that price tag.
150k - peanuts for any f1 team wanting to show they are backing female talentNeeded to be a step up from FW, not backwards. I would be surprised if they can find enough (any) drivers with that price tag.
needs more lower level scheme. Jamie is the best of the current bunch but you get the feeling shes not rated against her male counterparts. That could be sexism or it could be shes the best of a bad/very average bunch.
The only real way to see if a female driver is going to be competitive at F1, is to let them follow the same route as the blokes, the progression from F3 - F2 - F1.
Interesting to note that in 2019, Tatiana Calderon the Columbian driver competed in F2 and didn't manage to score a single point. She is now driving in Indycar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Formula_2_Champ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatiana_Calder%C3%B3...
Interesting to note that in 2019, Tatiana Calderon the Columbian driver competed in F2 and didn't manage to score a single point. She is now driving in Indycar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Formula_2_Champ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatiana_Calder%C3%B3...
andyA700 said:
The only real way to see if a female driver is going to be competitive at F1, is to let them follow the same route as the blokes, the progression from F3 - F2 - F1.
Interesting to note that in 2019, Tatiana Calderon the Columbian driver competed in F2 and didn't manage to score a single point. She is now driving in Indycar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Formula_2_Champ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatiana_Calder%C3%B3...
She wasn't very good in F2 and she isn't very good in IndycarInteresting to note that in 2019, Tatiana Calderon the Columbian driver competed in F2 and didn't manage to score a single point. She is now driving in Indycar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Formula_2_Champ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatiana_Calder%C3%B3...
If you go back through this thread you will see varying degrees of opinion as to why this happens.
But the fact remains that in the last 30 or so years there have been zero female drivers good enough to be in top level single-seater racing.
The ones that have got close are reasonable drivers, but not amazing, even if they were blokes they would need to show something exceptional to be given a chance unless they were very rich, or perhaps have a famous father or mother!
But as yet the ones who are looking at trying, are simply not good enough, there are lots of reasons, the main one being the pool they come from is tiny, so anyone good shines, but vs male counterparts comes out as being just not quick enough.
But the fact remains that in the last 30 or so years there have been zero female drivers good enough to be in top level single-seater racing.
The ones that have got close are reasonable drivers, but not amazing, even if they were blokes they would need to show something exceptional to be given a chance unless they were very rich, or perhaps have a famous father or mother!
But as yet the ones who are looking at trying, are simply not good enough, there are lots of reasons, the main one being the pool they come from is tiny, so anyone good shines, but vs male counterparts comes out as being just not quick enough.
LukeBrown66 said:
If you go back through this thread you will see varying degrees of opinion as to why this happens.
But the fact remains that in the last 30 or so years there have been zero female drivers good enough to be in top level single-seater racing.
The ones that have got close are reasonable drivers, but not amazing, even if they were blokes they would need to show something exceptional to be given a chance unless they were very rich, or perhaps have a famous father or mother!
But as yet the ones who are looking at trying, are simply not good enough, there are lots of reasons, the main one being the pool they come from is tiny, so anyone good shines, but vs male counterparts comes out as being just not quick enough.
There really is no need for a totally reasonable post, please stop and let people get back to avoiding common sense.But the fact remains that in the last 30 or so years there have been zero female drivers good enough to be in top level single-seater racing.
The ones that have got close are reasonable drivers, but not amazing, even if they were blokes they would need to show something exceptional to be given a chance unless they were very rich, or perhaps have a famous father or mother!
But as yet the ones who are looking at trying, are simply not good enough, there are lots of reasons, the main one being the pool they come from is tiny, so anyone good shines, but vs male counterparts comes out as being just not quick enough.
Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff