Mercedes' recent straight line speed. How? Legal?
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jimothyc said:
Megaflow said:
jimothyc said:
Surely a photographer with a decent lens, positioned just before the braking area of the main straight at any track would have picked this up. So why aren’t there any more damning photos than a smudge that could be anything. Flexing would be quite visible from the rear.
Red Bull’s theory is that only the very tip of the main plane is flexing downwards, but it is hidden by the top flap, so can’t be seen by the on board camera and the FIA’s rear wing dots.Hazmat1 said:
When the Honda powered glasly is over 20kmh faster than max as well as all the other Honda powered cars it points at something other than oh nasty Mercedes are too fast..
And that's the point that makes this an utter farce, why no one mentions this to Horner whilst he is wibbling on about a Merc that's slower in a straight line than one of the Red bull owned cars is beyond parody.Would those top speed stats not also have been influenced by DRS and slipstreams? From what I remember of the way the race played out, there can't have been many if any times Max was actually racing close behind a direct competitor on the circuit, and I don't remember him doing an overtake after the first corners, Lewis basically just dropped him once the pass was done.
Lewis obviously did lots of DRS- and slipstream-assisted passes, and lots of the drivers further back would have been involved in those situations regularly which would be at least a partial explanation for the variations in top speed.
Lewis obviously did lots of DRS- and slipstream-assisted passes, and lots of the drivers further back would have been involved in those situations regularly which would be at least a partial explanation for the variations in top speed.
E63eeeeee... said:
Would those top speed stats not also have been influenced by DRS and slipstreams? From what I remember of the way the race played out, there can't have been many if any times Max was actually racing close behind a direct competitor on the circuit, and I don't remember him doing an overtake after the first corners, Lewis basically just dropped him once the pass was done.
Lewis obviously did lots of DRS- and slipstream-assisted passes, and lots of the drivers further back would have been involved in those situations regularly which would be at least a partial explanation for the variations in top speed.
Look at the qualy speed trap data, the Red Bull is still slow and the Mercedes is still not the fastest car. Mazepin has the fastest top speed in this event.Lewis obviously did lots of DRS- and slipstream-assisted passes, and lots of the drivers further back would have been involved in those situations regularly which would be at least a partial explanation for the variations in top speed.
Wills2 said:
Hazmat1 said:
When the Honda powered glasly is over 20kmh faster than max as well as all the other Honda powered cars it points at something other than oh nasty Mercedes are too fast..
And that's the point that makes this an utter farce, why no one mentions this to Horner whilst he is wibbling on about a Merc that's slower in a straight line than one of the Red bull owned cars is beyond parody.The fact another car was faster with a low drag wing is beside the point.
Absolute top speed is also down to gearing.
Mercedes suddenly have a combination that is fast everywhere.
jimPH said:
I think people are overlooking the fact that Mercedes had a high downforce wing AND was quick on the straight.
The fact another car was faster with a low drag wing is beside the point.
Absolute top speed is also down to gearing.
Mercedes suddenly have a combination that is fast everywhere.
Just good engineering - especially on the rear suspension. That's why they can have the benefits of top speed and high levels of aero downforce. The fact another car was faster with a low drag wing is beside the point.
Absolute top speed is also down to gearing.
Mercedes suddenly have a combination that is fast everywhere.
TheDeuce said:
jimPH said:
I think people are overlooking the fact that Mercedes had a high downforce wing AND was quick on the straight.
The fact another car was faster with a low drag wing is beside the point.
Absolute top speed is also down to gearing.
Mercedes suddenly have a combination that is fast everywhere.
Just good engineering - especially on the rear suspension. That's why they can have the benefits of top speed and high levels of aero downforce. The fact another car was faster with a low drag wing is beside the point.
Absolute top speed is also down to gearing.
Mercedes suddenly have a combination that is fast everywhere.
Just hope it goes to the final round with less than a couple of points between them.
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
TheDeuce said:
jimPH said:
I think people are overlooking the fact that Mercedes had a high downforce wing AND was quick on the straight.
The fact another car was faster with a low drag wing is beside the point.
Absolute top speed is also down to gearing.
Mercedes suddenly have a combination that is fast everywhere.
Just good engineering - especially on the rear suspension. That's why they can have the benefits of top speed and high levels of aero downforce. The fact another car was faster with a low drag wing is beside the point.
Absolute top speed is also down to gearing.
Mercedes suddenly have a combination that is fast everywhere.
I think there is also an element of Merce being hit hardest by the new floor regs, and they're now getting on to of how to make their car work as well as previously, but differently.
The most obvious area responsible for their performance of late (along with the new PU of course) is the current evolution of their rear suspension, which is engineered fantastically to drop quickly as speed builds, just when it needs to. That effectively gives them the same benefits as RB gain from their high rake design, but with none of the drawbacks. Now they have that system working so beautifully, they are able to exploit larger wings than their competitors and still maintain whatever top speed they feel they need as a minimum.
No theories of cheating are required when we can visibly watch the fantastic engineering in motion, and can see how it gives Merc the best of both worlds.
TheDeuce said:
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
TheDeuce said:
jimPH said:
I think people are overlooking the fact that Mercedes had a high downforce wing AND was quick on the straight.
The fact another car was faster with a low drag wing is beside the point.
Absolute top speed is also down to gearing.
Mercedes suddenly have a combination that is fast everywhere.
Just good engineering - especially on the rear suspension. That's why they can have the benefits of top speed and high levels of aero downforce. The fact another car was faster with a low drag wing is beside the point.
Absolute top speed is also down to gearing.
Mercedes suddenly have a combination that is fast everywhere.
I think there is also an element of Merce being hit hardest by the new floor regs, and they're now getting on to of how to make their car work as well as previously, but differently.
The most obvious area responsible for their performance of late (along with the new PU of course) is the current evolution of their rear suspension, which is engineered fantastically to drop quickly as speed builds, just when it needs to. That effectively gives them the same benefits as RB gain from their high rake design, but with none of the drawbacks. Now they have that system working so beautifully, they are able to exploit larger wings than their competitors and still maintain whatever top speed they feel they need as a minimum.
No theories of cheating are required when we can visibly watch the fantastic engineering in motion, and can see how it gives Merc the best of both worlds.
Muzzer79 said:
jimPH said:
LostM135idriver said:
It is extremely suspicious that they’ve made their car fastest over the whole lap. It’s almost like the whole point of the sport is to be fastest overall.
Almost like the rules don't count?HustleRussell said:
You're assuming correlation equals causation Jim.
I've not actually happened upon speed trap data for Qatar, can you share it?
Straightly speed was commented on by RB in the post race interview and was said to be very similar or words to that effect. I've not actually happened upon speed trap data for Qatar, can you share it?
I have no reason to believe they would lie about that, considering it was a point of conjecture last time they lost.
TonyToniTone said:
jimPH said:
I think people are overlooking the fact that Mercedes had a high downforce wing AND was quick on the straight.
Has anyone other than Horner confirmed that they are using a Monaco wing?TonyToniTone said:
jimPH said:
I think people are overlooking the fact that Mercedes had a high downforce wing AND was quick on the straight.
Has anyone other than Horner confirmed that they are using a Monaco wing?Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff