Mercedes' recent straight line speed. How? Legal?

Mercedes' recent straight line speed. How? Legal?

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fido

15,510 posts

227 months

Monday 22nd November
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Driver61 has made a great video on this. Mercedes is rear-limited and Red Bull is front-limited which explains the difference in the types of corners on the last two tracks. He was inconclusive on the wing. Personally I think it is the wing .. but you'd have to be an Adrian Newey or James Allison to know all the little tricks that give an incremental edge on every straight and corner!

AW111

7,316 posts

105 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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PhilAsia said:
There is talk of Lewis being on three-quarter throttle on the straight in Qatar...
"talk"
roflroflrofl

Did you get that nugget of 'truth' from Horner?


PhilAsia

274 posts

47 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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AW111 said:
PhilAsia said:
There is talk of Lewis being on three-quarter throttle on the straight in Qatar...
"talk"
roflroflrofl

Did you get that nugget of 'truth' from Horner?
I can't divulge my sauces for gastronomic reasons. There was also a Cadburys Whisper that Lewis was whistling a tuneless tune at the same time - which may answer the question raised about a "strange noise" in another Fred.

Next year the straight is to be named "Emperor Hamilton Boulevard" btw.

MustangGT

9,195 posts

252 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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HustleRussell said:
jimPH said:
HustleRussell said:
You're assuming correlation equals causation Jim.

I've not actually happened upon speed trap data for Qatar, can you share it?
Straightly speed was commented on by RB in the post race interview and was said to be very similar or words to that effect.

I have no reason to believe they would lie about that, considering it was a point of conjecture last time they lost.
rofl

I am sorry but that is funny.

You are ready to assume that no team principal would be willing to use data selectively, exaggerate, or outright lie to support their own preconceived notions about a competitor or to influence outward perception?

...and you're making this assumption in relation to Christian Horner in particular?

Sorry but this is a failure of critical thought. You cannot take anything any team principal choses to say publically about their observations concerning a competitor seriously.

There exists a procedure by which a competitor can protest a car which they do not believe is legal.

Statements to the press shall rightly be considered 'noise'.
When I watch a Horner TV interview I try to identify all the lies during it. There are always multiple ones.

Some samples:

Nobody overtakes on the inside going into Copse.
It was a racing incident or hard racing
Max missed a single yellow flag (it was waved double flags)


His comment about speed differential is clearly a lie, the top speeds at different parts of the circuits are published, nowhere has there been that speed differential.

Sandpit Steve

4,741 posts

46 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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MustangGT said:
When I watch a Horner TV interview I try to identify all the lies during it. There are always multiple ones.

Some samples:

Nobody overtakes on the inside going into Copse.
It was a racing incident or hard racing
Max missed a single yellow flag (it was waved double flags)


His comment about speed differential is clearly a lie, the top speeds at different parts of the circuits are published, nowhere has there been that speed differential.
The speed differential he quoted was I think on one race lap, where Lewis was directly behind Max - with the DRS open on the Mercedes.

At best, it’s a highly misleading use of statistics.

mat205125

16,343 posts

185 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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Peak top speed on the straight is an interesting stat, but is there any data for the speed throughout the whole length of the straight?

Ending up at similar peaks in the speed trap doesn't show how fast you got there

Its obvious all year that Mercedes can run a barn door wing size at the same speed that Red Bull can only achieve by trimming their cars like a dart.

Muzzer79

5,643 posts

159 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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jimPH said:
Muzzer79 said:
jimPH said:
LostM135idriver said:
It is extremely suspicious that they’ve made their car fastest over the whole lap. It’s almost like the whole point of the sport is to be fastest overall.
Almost like the rules don't count?
Which rules have been broken?
Like the rules Ferrari didn't break?
So, you're saying that because Ferrari broke the rules 2 years ago, Mercedes must be now?

By that logic, Red Bull must also be cheating now because the Renault team did in 2009.

Your 'evidence' is all speculation. If RB had something substantial, they'd be protesting it through the official channels. Horner just wants Mercedes' car looked at as closely as possible to try and find something like the Brazil infringement that got Hamilton banned from sprint qualifying at Interlagos.

Hazmat1

176 posts

70 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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Merc v Red Bull speed is a stupid discussion when Ferrari powered cars made them both look stupid in the top speed/across the line stakes

I accept completely that’s actually inconvenient for the conspiracy theories Emanating from Milton Keynes but hey there you go

48k

9,178 posts

120 months

Thursday 25th November
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TonyToniTone said:
It seems Horner was talking nonsense
Well I never... laugh

The trouble is, all the time the interviewers don't hold his statements to account, they quickly become established as facts by those who take what he says at face value and don't look at the raw data. It's tough for the interviewer because they don't know what he's going to come out with but I'd love someone like Brundle to be in a position to be able to challenge him at the Sky Pad or whatever. "Lewis was 27kph faster" "Where was that then Christian? We've got the times here lets have a look at the data...."

I have to take my hat off to Horner he's doing a terrific job.

vulture1

9,350 posts

151 months

Thursday 25th November
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PhilAsia said:
There is talk of Lewis being on three-quarter throttle on the straight in Qatar...
I heard he was trail braking on the straights..

CustardOnChips

1,854 posts

34 months

Thursday 25th November
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vulture1 said:
PhilAsia said:
There is talk of Lewis being on three-quarter throttle on the straight in Qatar...
I heard he was trail braking on the straights..
I have heard from a reliable sauce at Mercedes HPp that they were running on 4 cylinders and using Tesco 95ron unleaded.

thegreenhell

9,855 posts

191 months

Thursday 25th November
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I have heard from a source in Milton Keynes that Mercedes' recent form is due to some special new magnets they've installed on the fuel lines.

Rotary Potato

114 posts

68 months

Friday 26th November
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CustardOnChips said:
I have heard from a reliable sauce at Mercedes HPp that they were running on 4 cylinders and using Tesco 95ron unleaded.
Would that be a HPp Sauce? biggrin

PhilAsia

274 posts

47 months

Saturday 27th November
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Update: Confirmed - Lewis has developed a "Diddgerydoo-Duct" circular breathing technique to create a vacuum that he drives into. Hence the new, "tastes like fresh, but not at the price of fresh" astonishing pace.

Is there no limit to the boundaries that are pushed? Leaves me breathless!!

E63eeeeee...

940 posts

21 months

Saturday 27th November
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Rotary Potato said:
CustardOnChips said:
I have heard from a reliable sauce at Mercedes HPp that they were running on 4 cylinders and using Tesco 95ron unleaded.
Would that be a HPp Sauce? biggrin
Clogs up the injectors.


Don't ask how I know.


(Still better than Tesco 95)

Adrian W

12,314 posts

200 months

Sunday 28th November
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I have reliable information, it came from the wife of a cousin of the brother in law of a cleaner at MB that the reason Hamilton is faster in the hybrid cars is that he is really a battery.