Will Max crash into Lewis on the last race just to win?

Will Max crash into Lewis on the last race just to win?

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PhilAsia

274 posts

47 months

Wednesday 24th November
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Monza was a cynical "whatever the outcome of this I will probably benefit" move. IMO

Reminded me of these, "If this overtake happens I've lost anyway" moments:

1) 1990 Macau: Hakkinen/Schumi - "benefitted" Schumi, F3 WDC.

2) 1994 Adelaide: Hill/Schumi - "benefitted" Schumi, F1 WDC

3) 1997 Jerez: Villeneuve/Schumi - no "benefit", but I was gonna lose anyway if he overtook, so worth a shunt...

In 2 out 3 instances Schumi benefitted from his "tactics".



Edited by PhilAsia on Wednesday 24th November 10:42

angrymoby

1,638 posts

150 months

Wednesday 24th November
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PhilAsia said:
Monza was a cynical "whatever the outcome of this I will probably benefit" move. IMO

Reminded me of these, "If this overtake happens I've lost anyway" moments:

1) 1990 Macau: Hakkinen/Schumi - "benefitted" Schumi, F3 WDC.

2) 1994 Adelaide: Hill/Schumi - "benefitted" Schumi, F1 WDC

3) 1997 Jerez: Villeneuve/Schumi - no "benefit", but I was gonna lose anyway if he overtook, so worth a shunt...

In 2 out 3 instances Schumi benefitted from his "tactics".
ironically no.3 was the least obviously dirty, as like Prost in '89 he invited Villeneuve in ...but got Schumi the most punishment (albeit a pointless punishment - literally)

AW111

7,316 posts

105 months

Wednesday 24th November
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rampageturke said:
jsf said:
And you're unhinged.
I'm not the one gagging for a crash.
Speculating that there may be a crash isn't the same as wanting one.

But if you have any brains you already know that.

So are you stupid, a troll, or a stupid troll?

hot metal

1,577 posts

165 months

Wednesday 24th November
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Seems to be a lot of children on here these days scratchchin

Stan the Bat

6,993 posts

184 months

Wednesday 24th November
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Yes.

hot metal

1,577 posts

165 months

Wednesday 24th November
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frown

Siao

185 posts

12 months

Friday 26th November
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If Max was smart in that scenario, he'd live to fight another day, if he lost the WDC. I mean, he'll be the undeniable top driver once Lewis retires, plenty of WDCs to come his way in the future.

But in the heat of the moment? I would have to say yes.

Petrus1983

5,699 posts

134 months

Friday 26th November
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If he had the opportunity, maybe - but think Mercedes will be aware of that and reflect their strategy for it.

Tomm3

206 posts

121 months

Friday 26th November
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Course he will, we all know it. And he knows FIA will accept it.
Not difficult to imagine the conversations before the next 2 races is it?
Jos: This is your chance at the title, take him out if he's looking to win.
Max: Ok pops.

Gary C

8,929 posts

151 months

Friday 26th November
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angrymoby said:
ironically no.3 was the least obviously dirty, as like Prost in '89 he invited Villeneuve in ...but got Schumi the most punishment (albeit a pointless punishment - literally)
How do you work that out ?

it was the most obvious deliberate move out of the three IMO.

rev-erend

21,114 posts

256 months

Friday 26th November
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Yes or even the race before.

Call me cynical but during the last race I felt the race officials did everything possible to stop them being together on the same piece of race track with penalties. I'm also slightly suspicious of Lewis speed vs Bottas and the rest of the field in the last 2 races, it's as if the officials want the points gap to close..


hot metal

1,577 posts

165 months

Friday 26th November
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He would of course be cursed to Hell & back for the rest of his career furious that would not be something that would rest easy for him, even if he might claim otherwise.

Siao

185 posts

12 months

Friday 26th November
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PhilAsia said:
Monza was a cynical "whatever the outcome of this I will probably benefit" move. IMO

Reminded me of these, "If this overtake happens I've lost anyway" moments:

1) 1990 Macau: Hakkinen/Schumi - "benefitted" Schumi, F3 WDC.

2) 1994 Adelaide: Hill/Schumi - "benefitted" Schumi, F1 WDC

3) 1997 Jerez: Villeneuve/Schumi - no "benefit", but I was gonna lose anyway if he overtook, so worth a shunt...

In 2 out 3 instances Schumi benefitted from his "tactics".



Edited by PhilAsia on Wednesday 24th November 10:42
Regarding 1990, I think it was a genuine blocking move that both drivers somehow got wrong (not an F1 race anyway so not sure why in this thread). Schumacher moved to block just at the same moment that Mika started his attack. Mika's own boss actually told him off after the race; Mika was trying to impress the Lotus F1 team by overtaking Schumacher on track, instead of just staying behind him and winning the overall weekend.

Siao

185 posts

12 months

Friday 26th November
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Gary C said:
angrymoby said:
ironically no.3 was the least obviously dirty, as like Prost in '89 he invited Villeneuve in ...but got Schumi the most punishment (albeit a pointless punishment - literally)
How do you work that out ?

it was the most obvious deliberate move out of the three IMO.
Agreed

Oilchange

7,600 posts

232 months

Friday 26th November
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Looked to me like Schumacker turned in on him and came off worse, not that it mattered much

PhilAsia

274 posts

47 months

Saturday 27th November
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Oilchange said:
Looked to me like Schumacker turned in on him and came off worse, not that it mattered much
Schumacher found it virtually impossible to resist the urge to turn in on other drivers. It was the sole reason I could not support him for his otherwise obvious and supreme talent.

pablo

15,984 posts

245 months

Saturday 27th November
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I read this week a quote from Max saying he just wants to be world champion once and isn’t worried about being a multiple winner. Could be a rubbish attempt at mind games for 2021, could be honest and he won’t care as much in 2022 and beyond (possibly knowing the other teams and drivers will have an advantage)…..or he could do a Rosberg…

PhilAsia

274 posts

47 months

Saturday 27th November
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pablo said:
I read this week a quote from Max saying he just wants to be world champion once and isn’t worried about being a multiple winner. Could be a rubbish attempt at mind games for 2021, could be honest and he won’t care as much in 2022 and beyond (possibly knowing the other teams and drivers will have an advantage)…..or he could do a Rosberg…
Could be playing to the FIA as well and hoping for further "assistance".

Max isn't after one crown, he wants everything. His approach to losing - even just one overtake - is indicative of someone who's primary focus is a sole one.

And yes, he should be concerned that he makes use of the 2021 opportunity, there are a handful of other drivers with a similar degree of skill in the (shadow of the Red Bull) wings.

Mr Tidy

15,729 posts

99 months

Sunday 28th November
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Anyway getting back to the original question I have no doubt he would/will!

I mean that looked liked his plan in Brazil, but Lewis drove like he had already worked that out. And Max had already taken the p*ss at Silverstone when he turned in. redcard

I'm glad to see someone as talented as Max in F1, but really sad that he seems to be as dirty as Shumacher and Senna when it suited them.


FeelingLucky

935 posts

136 months

Sunday 28th November
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Mr Tidy said:
Anyway getting back to the original question I have no doubt he would/will!

I mean that looked liked his plan in Brazil, but Lewis drove like he had already worked that out. And Max had already taken the p*ss at Silverstone when he turned in. redcard

I'm glad to see someone as talented as Max in F1, but really sad that he seems to be as dirty as Shumacher and Senna when it suited them.
Completely agree, palpable nonsense all this talk of "running him out of road", possibly the pundits aren't willing to come right out and say it, but I will, in Brazil, Max was clearly (IMO) looking to make contact. That's why, once off the road, he kept on coming. Only heading back to the track when it was clear Lewis was savvy to the tactic.

I'm sure Merc/Toto/Lewis are/were expecting this tactic, and equally sure the FIA will turn a blind eye (as Brazil) or impose a penalty that wont affect Max's championship ambitions.