RB marshalling

RB marshalling

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Hungrymc

5,424 posts

109 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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Come on Honda, we may all have different opinions on lots of aspects of F1.

But let’s not try to excuse this crap.

SmoothCriminal

3,897 posts

171 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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Comparing a driver in the heat of the moment who has just crashed out with adrenaline pumping and maybe hurt to a pair of devious mealy-mouthed tossers just shows honda's bias not that you need anymore proof with his ramblings in other threads.

Roofless Toothless

3,888 posts

104 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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AW111 said:
Exactly. This is nothing to do with Max.

He wasn't the one who badmouthed the marshalls then made a grudging "sorry you got offended" non-apology.
No, he was just the one who completely disregarded the flag instructions to slow and possibly be prepared to stop.

Personally I have more time for a driver who has a bit of argy bargy with a marshal. I was taught as a trainee marshal never to lay even a friendly hand on a driver after an incident, as you are likely to get a knuckle sandwich in return. They really do get a bit het up after an off, and I think understandably so.

Smiljan

9,158 posts

169 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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Hungrymc said:
Come on Honda, we may all have different opinions on lots of aspects of F1.

But let’s not try to excuse this crap.
I have a feeling he didn't actually read what this thread was about, assumed it was something to do with young Max and went about chatting rubbish about a different topic.

Max ignored the yellows, got punished. Job done.

RB Management have attacked the whole marshalling system and the individuals who often give up their own time for free to enable the sport to run just because their driver is seemingly blind or stupid.

As I said before, I'd like to see a bad on attendance for the rest of the year for Horner and his sidekick.

Jasandjules

66,956 posts

201 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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Roofless Toothless said:
No, he was just the one who completely disregarded the flag instructions to slow and possibly be prepared to stop.
The worst part for me about this though is this is the second time Max has ignored double waved yellows is it not? And he still complains he got a penalty, which worries me as to how little he actually cares about the safety of marshalls.

honda_exige

3,397 posts

178 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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Hungrymc said:
Come on Honda, we may all have different opinions on lots of aspects of F1.

But let’s not try to excuse this crap.
I'm not excusing anything, as I said, he shouldn't have said those comments but ultimately Masi is to blame no?

It was the yellows coming on and off from race control creating a confusing situation that made it look like a Marshal was to blame. Horner and Masi should've apologised. Masi hasn't.

I don't think Masi is part of some conspiracy, he's just a little bit incompetent mixed in with a laissez-faire aussie attitude as afaik he came straight to F1 from V8 Supercars.

Remember Austria last year when he gave a green flag to resume racing even as a tractor was still on the run off? I don't remember him apologising to the drivers or marshals back then.

Hungrymc

5,424 posts

109 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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honda_exige said:
I'm not excusing anything, as I said, he shouldn't have said those comments but ultimately Masi is to blame no?

It was the yellows coming on and off from race control creating a confusing situation that made it look like a Marshal was to blame. Horner and Masi should've apologised. Masi hasn't.

I don't think Masi is part of some conspiracy, he's just a little bit incompetent mixed in with a laissez-faire aussie attitude as afaik he came straight to F1 from V8 Supercars.

Remember Austria last year when he gave a green flag to resume racing even as a tractor was still on the run off? I don't remember him apologising to the drivers or marshals back then.
Why the deflection from the disgraceful comments from CH and Marko?

We all know Masi is a clown. There is even a thread running on it. At best incompetent and at worst corrupt, hence the other thread,

There had been some different opinions on CH and Marko’s behaviour…. I’d assume the disagreements would be settled by their behaviour this weekend, but I guess some will forgive them anything and deflect any way they can. We shouldn’t excuse this crap from very influential people.


HocusPocus

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565 posts

73 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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Marko digs even deeper with extended gob at officials.
https://www.pitpass.com/71401/Horners-criticism-of...

FIA or race director cannot ever control whether a track marshall, who is judge of fact in what he witnesses, decides to wave a warning flag to competitors. These marshalls are non partisan and should not suffer abuse from over-anxious entitled "hockey dads" like Marko.

For all fan boys out there, I would be equally scathing if any other team management was meting out abuse to officials.

Jasandjules

66,956 posts

201 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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HocusPocus said:
Marko digs even deeper with extended gob at officials.
https://www.pitpass.com/71401/Horners-criticism-of...
Be a real shame if his pit pass were revoked for the rest of the season

honda_exige

3,397 posts

178 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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Hungrymc said:
honda_exige said:
I'm not excusing anything, as I said, he shouldn't have said those comments but ultimately Masi is to blame no?

It was the yellows coming on and off from race control creating a confusing situation that made it look like a Marshal was to blame. Horner and Masi should've apologised. Masi hasn't.

I don't think Masi is part of some conspiracy, he's just a little bit incompetent mixed in with a laissez-faire aussie attitude as afaik he came straight to F1 from V8 Supercars.

Remember Austria last year when he gave a green flag to resume racing even as a tractor was still on the run off? I don't remember him apologising to the drivers or marshals back then.
Why the deflection from the disgraceful comments from CH and Marko?

We all know Masi is a clown. There is even a thread running on it. At best incompetent and at worst corrupt, hence the other thread,

There had been some different opinions on CH and Marko’s behaviour…. I’d assume the disagreements would be settled by their behaviour this weekend, but I guess some will forgive them anything and deflect any way they can. We shouldn’t excuse this crap from very influential people.
Marko was more critiquing the FIA organisation of the Marshals as shambles, which is correct. It went green/yellow/green/yellow and that's on the FIA/Masi. Remember back to Baku and Max' crash with only single yellows deployed at the fastest part of the circuit with st loads of debris everywhere. Safety car took 2 minutes or similar to be deployed. The more heat brought onto Masi the better.

Anyway, as previous, Horner apologised, the Marshal accepted it. Storm in a teacup. 'Banned for the season' bahahahahaha.

honda_exige

3,397 posts

178 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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SmoothCriminal said:
Comparing a driver in the heat of the moment who has just crashed out with adrenaline pumping and maybe hurt to a pair of devious mealy-mouthed tossers just shows honda's bias not that you need anymore proof with his ramblings in other threads.
Push a referee in a football match after you've been fouled and see how far you get.

I'm not excusing Horner's comments but you excusing Kimi's behaviour is ridiculous. There is no excuse, you wouldn't expect Hamilton to push a marshal after a crash so why excuse Kimi?

Hungrymc

5,424 posts

109 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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honda_exige said:
Marko was more critiquing the FIA organisation of the Marshals as shambles, which is correct. It went green/yellow/green/yellow and that's on the FIA/Masi. Remember back to Baku and Max' crash with only single yellows deployed at the fastest part of the circuit with st loads of debris everywhere. Safety car took 2 minutes or similar to be deployed. The more heat brought onto Masi the better.

Anyway, as previous, Horner apologised, the Marshal accepted it. Storm in a teacup. 'Banned for the season' bahahahahaha.
I didn’t mentioned banned or any other sanction … why would you quote me and respond to someone else?

It’s a very poor way to debate anything. You’ve done deflection, and now a strawman. Very odd way to approach things.

The Marshall has shown substantially more grace than either CH or Marko, that I’m sure we can all agree on.



Hungrymc

5,424 posts

109 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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honda_exige said:
I'm not excusing Horner's comments but you excusing Kimi's behaviour is ridiculous. There is no excuse, you wouldn't expect Hamilton to push a marshal after a crash so why excuse Kimi?
I completely agree, inexcusable from Kimi, same for Hunt as well.

Milkyway

1,350 posts

25 months

Wednesday 24th November
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Perhaps Marshalling could become a profession...
Maybe the FIA could set up a marshalling academy, & they would travel the world to cover all events.
Imagine the jobs created & the diversity that could be achieved.
They could even rise to the ranks of stewards. scratchchin

Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 24th November 13:30

Roofless Toothless

3,888 posts

104 months

Wednesday 24th November
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My experience of fellow marshals was that they were without exception against making it a paid occupation. A volunteer marshal is doing it for the right reasons - love of the sport and a genuine desire to contribute as best he or she can. Nobody wants people there who see it as just another day at work.

Mind you, this didn’t stop everyone having a right old grumble when they did away with our £5 breakfast vouchers in the Kentagon and we had to buy our own.

Milkyway

1,350 posts

25 months

Wednesday 24th November
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Roofless Toothless said:
My experience of fellow marshals was that they were without exception against making it a paid occupation. A volunteer marshal is doing it for the right reasons - love of the sport and a genuine desire to contribute as best he or she can. Nobody wants people there who see it as just another day at work.

Mind you, this didn’t stop everyone having a right old grumble when they did away with our £5 breakfast vouchers in the Kentagon and we had to buy our own.
I was a track grader at a Speedway meeting once...
Used to get a free burger / hot dog, drink & a Mars Bar.
I think that was stopped too.
( Standing in the middle & having a rider coming towards me... advised to stand still & let them avoid me)
Bit late... afterwards. ( Rare occurrence apparently) eek


Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 24th November 16:58