What separates the excellent from the elite?
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Muzzer79 said:
What's autism got to do with the price of bread? 
Stirling Moss was unquestionably elite. He could charm the pants off anyone and was about as far removed from autistic as you could get.
Single mindedness, stubbornness, pure, absolute focus on minor details.Stirling Moss was unquestionably elite. He could charm the pants off anyone and was about as far removed from autistic as you could get.
I’m happy to be corrected, but don’t all of those attributes feature on the autism scale?
PH User said:
HARTLEYHARE1 said:
There is only one name everyone
Michael Schumacher
Everyone before and especially after have just been lucky
Michael Schumacher
Everyone before and especially after have just been lucky
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105.4 said:
Muzzer79 said:
What's autism got to do with the price of bread?
Stirling Moss was unquestionably elite. He could charm the pants off anyone and was about as far removed from autistic as you could get.
Single mindedness, stubbornness, pure, absolute focus on minor details.Stirling Moss was unquestionably elite. He could charm the pants off anyone and was about as far removed from autistic as you could get.
I’m happy to be corrected, but don’t all of those attributes feature on the autism scale?
Avoidance of eye contact
Reliance on rules and routines
Difficulty interacting socially
Over-sensitivity to loud noises
Functioning autistic people are generally noticeably socially awkward appearing, insular and isolated.
Does any of that sound like Senna, Clark, Stewart, Villeneuve or Hill?
Racing drivers by their nature are fiercely competitive therefore focus their attention on a task in order to win. It doesn't mean they are autistic though.
Muzzer79 said:
105.4 said:
Muzzer79 said:
What's autism got to do with the price of bread?
Stirling Moss was unquestionably elite. He could charm the pants off anyone and was about as far removed from autistic as you could get.
Single mindedness, stubbornness, pure, absolute focus on minor details.Stirling Moss was unquestionably elite. He could charm the pants off anyone and was about as far removed from autistic as you could get.
I’m happy to be corrected, but don’t all of those attributes feature on the autism scale?
Avoidance of eye contact
Reliance on rules and routines
Difficulty interacting socially
Over-sensitivity to loud noises
Functioning autistic people are generally noticeably socially awkward appearing, insular and isolated.
Does any of that sound like Senna, Clark, Stewart, Villeneuve or Hill?
Racing drivers by their nature are fiercely competitive therefore focus their attention on a task in order to win. It doesn't mean they are autistic though.
I'd also suggest Lauda displayed certain similar traits.
The theory was explored a few posts back starting with my observation of Senna displaying certain traits we know today to exist amongst those on the spectrum. That doesn't mean that you need to be on the spectrum be a great driver but does not necessarily harm one's prospects if you are and possibly affords an advantage.
raftom said:
I would certainly put Senna, Lauda, Schumacher and Stewart somewhere on the spectrum. Senna even had motor skills problems as a small child.
Schumacher, who I met on several occasions, was extremely gregarious, friendly and outgoing, you could tell he was an absolute laugh to be around and people who worked with him loved that aspect of his personality. Quite different to how the media portrayed him in the 90s.cgt2 said:
Schumacher, who I met on several occasions, was extremely gregarious, friendly and outgoing, you could tell he was an absolute laugh to be around and people who worked with him loved that aspect of his personality. Quite different to how the media portrayed him in the 90s.
Agreed. He seemed quite agreeable until you got near him with a helmet on...I guess what we can (mostly) agree on is that whilst natural ability/talent does exist it must be coupled to (ruthless?) dedication to your 'craft' otherwise it'll be unfulfilled. Taking a different sport look at rugby both Gavin Henson and (especially IMO) Danny Cipriani should have had far longer international careers than they did. Their 'replacements' may not have been as good to watch but they eschewed the celebrity lifestyle and were focused
PhilAsia said:
cgt2 said:
Schumacher, who I met on several occasions, was extremely gregarious, friendly and outgoing, you could tell he was an absolute laugh to be around and people who worked with him loved that aspect of his personality. Quite different to how the media portrayed him in the 90s.
Agreed. He seemed quite agreeable until you got near him with a helmet on...StevieBee said:
Muzzer79 said:
105.4 said:
Muzzer79 said:
What's autism got to do with the price of bread?
Stirling Moss was unquestionably elite. He could charm the pants off anyone and was about as far removed from autistic as you could get.
Single mindedness, stubbornness, pure, absolute focus on minor details.Stirling Moss was unquestionably elite. He could charm the pants off anyone and was about as far removed from autistic as you could get.
I’m happy to be corrected, but don’t all of those attributes feature on the autism scale?
Avoidance of eye contact
Reliance on rules and routines
Difficulty interacting socially
Over-sensitivity to loud noises
Functioning autistic people are generally noticeably socially awkward appearing, insular and isolated.
Does any of that sound like Senna, Clark, Stewart, Villeneuve or Hill?
Racing drivers by their nature are fiercely competitive therefore focus their attention on a task in order to win. It doesn't mean they are autistic though.
sparta6 said:
Good footballer too
yet he did some questionable things there toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGq7VcaHoqo
Having read Niki's books over the years I would not say he was on any spectrum, he was however very good at compartmentalising stuff and putting it in boxes, meaning he was a fabulous car developer and able to make very rational decisions.
As for those who may have been, Stewart was dyslexic, which could have figured why he was so pushed to be good at shooting and racing, Senna clearly had issues, maybe out of the sport that forced him to be very focussed, look at his obsession with RC stuff.
Others were massive risk takers like Bellof, Villeneuve Depailler, and you could see it in the way they drove
I find is also fascinating how others changed their careers to be better, like Scheckter, always considered a rough driver, ended up being very safe and calculated and won a world title as a result,
As for those who may have been, Stewart was dyslexic, which could have figured why he was so pushed to be good at shooting and racing, Senna clearly had issues, maybe out of the sport that forced him to be very focussed, look at his obsession with RC stuff.
Others were massive risk takers like Bellof, Villeneuve Depailler, and you could see it in the way they drove
I find is also fascinating how others changed their careers to be better, like Scheckter, always considered a rough driver, ended up being very safe and calculated and won a world title as a result,
Milkyway said:
swisstoni said:
Pitch for a game show: Psychiatry Corner.
Two teams compete to diagnose famous drivers using nothing but some random examples and hunches…
Sounds good... try Dave.Two teams compete to diagnose famous drivers using nothing but some random examples and hunches…
What’s the prize though... doubt it will be much.
PhilAsia said:
Milkyway said:
swisstoni said:
Pitch for a game show: Psychiatry Corner.
Two teams compete to diagnose famous drivers using nothing but some random examples and hunches…
Sounds good... try Dave.Two teams compete to diagnose famous drivers using nothing but some random examples and hunches…
What’s the prize though... doubt it will be much.
https://www.physioparts.co.uk/brain-section-model-...
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