Will Lewis ever win #8?

[PhilAsia]

paulguitar said:

angrymoby said:

Siao said:

angrymoby said:

Siao said:

jsf said:

He already has 9, ignoring FIA interference.

You mean 8 surely

there is a 'cloud' over Brasil '07

But that had nothing to do with the FIA though, does it?

i don't subscribe to conspiracy theories, but there was a lot going on in the background of '07 but not a lot of information was forthcoming from those actually involved, so back in 2012 Mark Hughes asked Lewis if he had ever discovered exactly what had happened in the last 2 races of '07

“I didn’t know at the time. But I do now. It’s not something I can talk about.”

make of that what you will

Very interesting article on this here:

https://the-race.com/formula-1/the-mysterious-loss...

I found the gearbox and following scenarios n Brasil quite bizarre.

[PhilAsia]

paulguitar said:

PhilAsia said:

Back then I would shout out "it's the car, not you, Fangio!". Then, quickly run to the next corner and shout out "you heard me mate!", just as he got there.

The cars were a lot slower back then of course...

"You're crap, Clark, it's the car!'

'You're slow, Senna, it's the car!'

You're pants, Prost, it's the car!'

Oh, you've got running spikes too!

[andburg]

A secret backroom deal with Ron, Mosely and Bernie involved? Never!!!

A private deal meaning the championship would run to the end for the show but that Mclaren were not allowed to win? please that not something the rt hon. Bernie / Max or Ron would ever agree to

maybe once Lewis has retired we'll find out what he knows but i cant see the 3 upstanding pillars of F1 being involved in skulduggery, well at least not without Flavio having some steer too

[StevieBee]

I think I'm right in saying that one race in and Lewis has more points over Max than he did at any point last season.

The impact of this assumes of course that Max will be his main rival this year that is by no means a given.

[g4ry13]

StevieBee said:

I think I'm right in saying that one race in and Lewis has more points over Max than he did at any point last season.

The impact of this assumes of course that Max will be his main rival this year that is by no means a given.

I'm not sure that assumption would be correct given that Ferrari seem to have put together a competitive car this season.

It's by no means a 2 horse race and if anything, any one of five drivers may be in the running for the title. Six if Max ends up having a lot of DNFs and Perez is in contention and becomes the Red Bull #1 for the season.

[mat205125]

Siao said:

angrymoby said:

mat205125 said:

In a straight fight with comparable cars, Lewis will lose to Charles and Max.

'comparable cars' you say? ...how many poles/ wins/ fastest laps & laps led did Max have again last year?

'straight fight' you say ...like last year?

clown

Why the name calling?

Its par for the course if you question the Hamilton divinity on line

[angrymoby]

mat205125 said:

Siao said:

angrymoby said:

mat205125 said:

In a straight fight with comparable cars, Lewis will lose to Charles and Max.

'comparable cars' you say? ...how many poles/ wins/ fastest laps & laps led did Max have again last year?

'straight fight' you say ...like last year?

clown

Why the name calling?

Its par for the course if you question the Hamilton divinity on line

at least i backed my comment with some info/data as to why i thought you & your comment deserved ridicule

so if you want to back your statement up, do so & ill retract calling you a clown

[patmahe]

I am by no means a big George Russell fan, but I believe he will have the measure of Lewis by the end of this year. So even if Mercedes fix the car I believe both Mercedes will take points from each other at different times and a Ferrari or Red bull will take the title.

I think Lewis will retire at the end of 2023 with 7 championships after 2 valiant but unsuccessful attempts to win this year and next. If he proves me wrong then good on him because he'll have beaten a world class grid to do it.

[paulguitar]

patmahe said:

I am by no means a big George Russell fan, but I believe he will have the measure of Lewis by the end of this year.

This is quite a common view to hear. What's your thinking on this? Do you think age is catching up with Lewis, of do you believe George to be a potentially all-time great driver?

[Mark V GTD]

I would speculate that if the Ferrari remains ahead of the Merc this season (although I doubt it will) there might be some background negotiations resulting in a move by LH to a pair of red overalls next season for one last attempt at No. 8.

[anonymous-user]

Mark V GTD said:

I would speculate that if the Ferrari remains ahead of the Merc this season (although I doubt it will) there might be some background negotiations resulting in a move by LH to a pair of red overalls next season for one last attempt at No. 8.

No chance.

[patmahe]

paulguitar said:

patmahe said:

I am by no means a big George Russell fan, but I believe he will have the measure of Lewis by the end of this year.

This is quite a common view to hear. What's your thinking on this? Do you think age is catching up with Lewis, of do you believe George to be a potentially all-time great driver?

Bit of both really, I think George is the real deal (but with a very entitled attitude) so I could see a Rosberg type conflict boiling over between himself and Lewis, Mercedes will downplay it of course but their eyes are on the future so the will back George even just privately.

The other thing is that Lewis is getting to an age where drivers start to lose half a tenth, I was mighty impressed with how hard he fought last year, but he lost more than he won. He's still better than most of the grid, but it feels to me like the rest are catching up.

He's also mentioned retirement more than once and has lots of other interests, I could see him walking away at the end of this contract, he has nothing left to prove.

[PhilAsia]

patmahe said:

paulguitar said:

patmahe said:

I am by no means a big George Russell fan, but I believe he will have the measure of Lewis by the end of this year.

This is quite a common view to hear. What's your thinking on this? Do you think age is catching up with Lewis, of do you believe George to be a potentially all-time great driver?

Bit of both really, I think George is the real deal (but with a very entitled attitude) so I could see a Rosberg type conflict boiling over between himself and Lewis, Mercedes will downplay it of course but their eyes are on the future so the will back George even just privately.

The other thing is that Lewis is getting to an age where drivers start to lose half a tenth, I was mighty impressed with how hard he fought last year, but he lost more than he won. He's still better than most of the grid, but it feels to me like the rest are catching up.

He's also mentioned retirement more than once and has lots of other interests, I could see him walking away at the end of this contract, he has nothing left to prove.

I can see him racing into his seventies. As we all know, "black don't crack"...

[Jasandjules]

patmahe said:

He's also mentioned retirement more than once and has lots of other interests, I could see him walking away at the end of this contract, he has nothing left to prove.

I am half convinced he will keep going until he gets the "actual" 8th. As long as the car is in with a shout.

[paulguitar]

Jasandjules said:

patmahe said:

He's also mentioned retirement more than once and has lots of other interests, I could see him walking away at the end of this contract, he has nothing left to prove.

I am half convinced he will keep going until he gets the "actual" 8th. As long as the car is in with a shout.

I think with Lewis being relatively old now for an F1 driver, there's an expectation a decline will set in. I don't think we've seen that yet, though.

It will be really interesting to see how George does against Lewis. I'm still slightly on the fence about George. We know that he won the F2 title which bodes well, and he's very much had the better of his F1 teammates. But who were those teammates? Robert Kubica, once a genuinely top-level driver, but surely far too compromised after his accident to be anywhere near his true level. Nicolas Latifi. A journeyman.


I think the most impressive thing George has done was his superb performance standing in for Lewis when he had covid. He did a tremendous job that weekend and was very unlucky not to win.


Well, I guess by around halfway through the season we will have a good idea of how they stand. Lewis does tend to strengthen as the year goes on though.

[mat205125]

angrymoby said:

mat205125 said:

Siao said:

angrymoby said:

mat205125 said:

In a straight fight with comparable cars, Lewis will lose to Charles and Max.

'comparable cars' you say? ...how many poles/ wins/ fastest laps & laps led did Max have again last year?

'straight fight' you say ...like last year?

clown

Why the name calling?

Its par for the course if you question the Hamilton divinity on line

at least i backed my comment with some info/data as to why i thought you & your comment deserved ridicule

so if you want to back your statement up, do so & ill retract calling you a clown

If you're happy to concede that over the course of the whole season last year, the Merc and Red Bull were comparable, then I appreciate your evidence to show that Max was the better driver

Not sure what mentality requires evidence and case justification, to avoid childish name calling from fanatical fans.

[HustleRussell]

paulguitar said:

I think with Lewis being relatively old now for an F1 driver, there's an expectation a decline will set in. I don't think we've seen that yet, though.

He's just turned 37. He won't be 40 until after the 2024 season finishes.

I think that Hamilton has it in him to defy perceptions, and if the motivation is there I believe he can defy perceptions around age vs. performance. When Hamilton is 40 he'll be in at least as good a shape as Alonso is right now, probably better in my opinion. Alonso has come back at 40.5 years old after two seasons out and there has not been a single suggestion that he is over the hill.

These drivers aren't Raikkonen- they are never going to do 'just enough' outside of race weekends just to hang around, referring to F1 as 'a hobby'.

In my opinion we could have several seasons to wait and see what Hamilton's final tally will be, and I don't think he is necessarily certain to permanently retire when #8 is in the bag either.

Edited by HustleRussell on Thursday 24th March 12:21

[Fundoreen]

I thought such a titled thread started before we even know whats whats was an attempt to provoke people, and would die after a couple of comments.
But I was wrong, it has legs!
But the Max boosters behind this mischief have a new enemy. If the car stays good charles will beat max this year.
Would have been better to title thread will max ever win another title?
Lewis has plenty of certificates , im sure he's not that fussed and can just enjoy the racing.
May even win the title once the other two start crashing into each other.

[HustleRussell]

Fundoreen said:

If the car stays good Charles will beat max this year.

The Ferrari doesn't just need to 'stay good', it needs to improve at a rate which matches Red Bull's rate of development and maintains an advantage over Mercedes.

The gap at the front is such that Red Bull could absolutely be fastest in Saudi Arabia. I wouldn't bet on it but it's not impossible that Bahrain could turn out to be Ferrari's only win of the season- stranger things have happened. Or one win of only a few...

[angrymoby]

mat205125 said:

If you're happy to concede that over the course of the whole season last year, the Merc and Red Bull were comparable, then I appreciate your evidence to show that Max was the better driver

Not sure what mentality requires evidence and case justification, to avoid childish name calling from fanatical fans.

my 'evidence' shows only that the Max/ RB16B combo was not comparable at all ...how you've extrapolated that that was all down to Max & not the RB16B is a mystery to me

all i saw last season was Hamilton winning races he had no right to & Max starting to unravel when it came to crunch time ...& that he should be thankful to Masi that we're not all talking about how he 'choked'

but you carry on with your comparisons based on 'feels' & ill stand by my comment