Mercedes problem!

Mercedes problem!

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Jasandjules

67,448 posts

206 months

Saturday 16th April
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Derek Smith said:
Lots of suggestions LH is going to leave Merc for 'another' team.
Not a chance.


Sandpit Steve

5,811 posts

51 months

Saturday 16th April
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Jasandjules said:
Derek Smith said:
Lots of suggestions LH is going to leave Merc for 'another' team.
Not a chance.
The only possible would be the red team, and only if they walk the championship this year. Even then, I’m sure the racer in him would prefer to spend the time developing the Mercedes into a championship winner.

With driver salaries now outside the tightening budget cap, could the Ferrari board pull off some audacious move to pay LH $100m a season? Because that’s the only way it’s happening.

rdjohn

5,260 posts

172 months

Saturday 16th April
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I believe that Lewis is a reasonable person.

And so I feel certain that if Mercedes feel confident that their future is safe in the hands of George , then Lewis would prefer to move on and enjoy the rest of his life content in the knowledge that he did his very best for the team and their sponsors.

What you see is what you get, and so the possibility of him moving to another team for a quick buck seems highly unlikely.
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Derek Smith

42,232 posts

225 months

Saturday 16th April
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I couldn't see Senna leave McLaren, not, come to that, Hamilton leaving McLaren, especially considering what he owed to Dennis.

I think the odds are well against him moving to another team, but it is far from impossible. To drive for Ferrari - wow! To drive for Ferrari when they have a frontline car is even wower. Just his final season he will tell himself.

BoRED S2upid

17,256 posts

217 months

Saturday 16th April
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Jasandjules said:
Derek Smith said:
Lots of suggestions LH is going to leave Merc for 'another' team.
Not a chance.
This. Nowhere but a lesser team than top 3 for him to go. RB and Ferrari sorted for years.

PhilAsia

969 posts

52 months

Sunday 17th April
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I do not see him moving from MB. Lewis only made the move to them because of the potential of the package that they offered and more opportunity for input. I believe his loyalty will keep him there.

RBR is out of the question. Ferrari is also, to my mind - whilst I feel he has a slight advantage over Russell this season, he may be on equal standing next season. He is getting to the end of his career and it will begin to show. A move to Ferrari, and going up against an already entrenched Le Clercke (popcorn smile ), will only highlight any lessening of performance he may have in his final seasons and his time of getting to know a new team.




Derek Smith

42,232 posts

225 months

Sunday 17th April
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PhilAsia said:
I do not see him moving from MB. Lewis only made the move to them because of the potential of the package that they offered and more opportunity for input. I believe his loyalty will keep him there.
Loyalty didn't keep him with Dennis, despite what the chap did for him. Fair enough, he'd repaid any debt, but you could say the same thing about what he owes Merc, except more so.

Doesn't every driver dream of driving a Ferrari? Despite its checkered history (me being gentle there) it's been there or thereabouts most of the time. Just one year must be tempting, although after his 8th. He'll have nothing to prove.

He, like most top-notch drivers, doesn't want the same old, or to vegetate.

As I say, I don't think it likely, but it is possible.

gmaz

3,880 posts

187 months

Sunday 17th April
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ISTR Hamilton's hero Senna said he always envisaged ending his career at Ferrari, so perhaps Lewis will emulate that.

PhilAsia

969 posts

52 months

Sunday 17th April
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Derek Smith said:
PhilAsia said:
I do not see him moving from MB. Lewis only made the move to them because of the potential of the package that they offered and more opportunity for input. I believe his loyalty will keep him there.
Loyalty didn't keep him with Dennis, despite what the chap did for him. Fair enough, he'd repaid any debt, but you could say the same thing about what he owes Merc, except more so.

Doesn't every driver dream of driving a Ferrari? Despite its checkered history (me being gentle there) it's been there or thereabouts most of the time. Just one year must be tempting, although after his 8th. He'll have nothing to prove.

He, like most top-notch drivers, doesn't want the same old, or to vegetate.

As I say, I don't think it likely, but it is possible.
He, as you say, had repaid Dennis. MB offered him more. Towards the end of this year MB will, more-than-likely, be back in contention and 2023 will determine the next couple of seasons.

With MB being a "known" and Ferrari often unravelling I believe he will stay put.


Edited by PhilAsia on Sunday 17th April 10:06

Muzzer79

6,356 posts

164 months

Sunday 17th April
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PhilAsia said:
Derek Smith said:
PhilAsia said:
I do not see him moving from MB. Lewis only made the move to them because of the potential of the package that they offered and more opportunity for input. I believe his loyalty will keep him there.
Loyalty didn't keep him with Dennis, despite what the chap did for him. Fair enough, he'd repaid any debt, but you could say the same thing about what he owes Merc, except more so.

Doesn't every driver dream of driving a Ferrari? Despite its checkered history (me being gentle there) it's been there or thereabouts most of the time. Just one year must be tempting, although after his 8th. He'll have nothing to prove.

He, like most top-notch drivers, doesn't want the same old, or to vegetate.

As I say, I don't think it likely, but it is possible.
He, as you say, had repaid Dennis. MB offered him more. Towards the end of this year MB will, more-than-likely, be back in contention and 2023 will determine the next couple of seasons.

With MB being a "known" and Ferrari often unravelling I believe he will stay put.


Edited by PhilAsia on Sunday 17th April 10:06
I too don’t think there’s a snowball in hell’s chance of him moving.

Not because he won’t want to (although I also believe that’s the case) but because another top team won’t want him.

That’s in no way a slight on Hamilton, by the way.

There’s no way that any other top line team will mess up their driver strategy for one season, even for Hamilton.


PhilAsia

969 posts

52 months

Sunday 17th April
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Muzzer79 said:
PhilAsia said:
Derek Smith said:
PhilAsia said:
I do not see him moving from MB. Lewis only made the move to them because of the potential of the package that they offered and more opportunity for input. I believe his loyalty will keep him there.
Loyalty didn't keep him with Dennis, despite what the chap did for him. Fair enough, he'd repaid any debt, but you could say the same thing about what he owes Merc, except more so.

Doesn't every driver dream of driving a Ferrari? Despite its checkered history (me being gentle there) it's been there or thereabouts most of the time. Just one year must be tempting, although after his 8th. He'll have nothing to prove.

He, like most top-notch drivers, doesn't want the same old, or to vegetate.

As I say, I don't think it likely, but it is possible.
He, as you say, had repaid Dennis. MB offered him more. Towards the end of this year MB will, more-than-likely, be back in contention and 2023 will determine the next couple of seasons.

With MB being a "known" and Ferrari often unravelling I believe he will stay put.


Edited by PhilAsia on Sunday 17th April 10:06
I too don’t think there’s a snowball in hell’s chance of him moving.

Not because he won’t want to (although I also believe that’s the case) but because another top team won’t want him.

That’s in no way a slight on Hamilton, by the way.

There’s no way that any other top line team will mess up their driver strategy for one season, even for Hamilton.
This.

Lewis has proved he can win in the right car.

Max has proved he can win in the right car.

Charles has proved he can win in the right car.


entropy

4,604 posts

180 months

Sunday 17th April
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Muzzer79 said:
I too don’t think there’s a snowball in hell’s chance of him moving.

Not because he won’t want to (although I also believe that’s the case) but because another top team won’t want him.

That’s in no way a slight on Hamilton, by the way.

There’s no way that any other top line team will mess up their driver strategy for one season, even for Hamilton.
What if Ferrari lose patience with Carlos Sainz? Lewis will be more than happy to be team mate to CLC than Max.

The problem Lewis will eventually run into is when the height of his powers wane and having to deal with taking on a subordinate role.

Graveworm

7,569 posts

48 months

Sunday 17th April
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stemll said:
RWTT - Restricted Wind Tunnel Testing. RATG - Restricted Aerodynamic Test Geometry

50m/s is only 180kph (112mph) and the author of the reddit I linked has interpreted the bit about relative to scale (60%) as meaning an effective scale speed of only 108kph (67mph). Either speed is a lot lower than the speeds at which they are experiencing porpoising.
It's not only that, Mercedes have had the least wind tunnel and modelling time of all the teams since the cap was introduced and have less to sort any problems. Ferrari had lot's more last season and this so far. Plus RBR and Ferrari must benefit from having junior teams and the data from their testing.

Byker28i

41,772 posts

194 months

Tuesday 19th April
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Derek Smith said:
PhilAsia said:
I do not see him moving from MB. Lewis only made the move to them because of the potential of the package that they offered and more opportunity for input. I believe his loyalty will keep him there.
Loyalty didn't keep him with Dennis, despite what the chap did for him. Fair enough, he'd repaid any debt, but you could say the same thing about what he owes Merc, except more so.

Doesn't every driver dream of driving a Ferrari? Despite its checkered history (me being gentle there) it's been there or thereabouts most of the time. Just one year must be tempting, although after his 8th. He'll have nothing to prove.

He, like most top-notch drivers, doesn't want the same old, or to vegetate.

As I say, I don't think it likely, but it is possible.
Dennis was already being pushed out the door, Alonso made sure of that with spygate, doing he best to put all the blame on Dennis whilst insisting he knew nothing.
Lewis will retire sooner than move to another team...

Byker28i

41,772 posts

194 months

Tuesday 19th April
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PhilAsia said:
This.

Lewis has proved he can win in the right car, win in not the best car, and quite often drag a performance out of a poor car

Max has proved he can win in the right car, if everything goes his way and he has some help... wink

Charles has proved he can win in the right car, and drag performances out of poor cars
Fixed it for you biggrin

PhilAsia

969 posts

52 months

Tuesday 19th April
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Byker28i said:
PhilAsia said:
This.

Lewis has proved he can win in the right car, win in not the best car, and quite often drag a performance out of a poor car

Max has proved he can win in the right car, if everything goes his way and he has some help... wink

Charles has proved he can win in the right car, and drag performances out of poor cars
Fixed it for you biggrin
Thanks. You caused WWIII if it all kicks off btw... biggrin

sparta6

3,146 posts

77 months

Tuesday 19th April
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RUS is currently P2 in championship.

If Mercedes find a bit more pace he'll be fighting with LEC.




PhilAsia

969 posts

52 months

Tuesday 19th April
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sparta6 said:
RUS is currently P2 in championship.

If Mercedes find a bit more pace he'll be fighting with LEC.
Excellent!

Not obvious sparta6...really not obvious...

sparta6

3,146 posts

77 months

Wednesday 20th April
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PhilAsia said:
sparta6 said:
RUS is currently P2 in championship.

If Mercedes find a bit more pace he'll be fighting with LEC.
Excellent!

Not obvious sparta6...really not obvious...
Exactly.
Mercedes don't really have a massive problem do they ?


But Red Bull do hehe

Byker28i

41,772 posts

194 months

Wednesday 20th April
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Red bull have an issue with their fuel system. The thought is they are doing something clever with it to give them added performance at given times, maybe storing extra fuel somewhere past the meter, thats got airlocked, or failed?

Mercedes aren't cutting the floor back like other teams because they believe once they resolve the instability issue they'll have the fastest car and whilst not great, they haven't really been punished as much as they should have been so far, with errors from the other teams/drivers.

You wonder how long though until they identify the issue? Whole new rear suspension redesign?