Daniel Ricciardo
Discussion
48Valves said:
I said on here years ago he wasn’t as good as he marketed himself to be. And got slated for it. He is very good at self promotion with his smiles and good humour. But quite often that is a mask. Some of his true colours started to show through in the latest DtS.
The Redbull was a good car that gave him a few wins. But he’s not the kind of driver to drag an underperforming car up a few places.
He’s done very well for himself obviously, but he’s peaked. Getting soundly beaten by someone with tonsillitis is not a good look!
I’m with you, I’ve always felt he is very overrated. The Redbull was a good car that gave him a few wins. But he’s not the kind of driver to drag an underperforming car up a few places.
He’s done very well for himself obviously, but he’s peaked. Getting soundly beaten by someone with tonsillitis is not a good look!
The ‘last of the late brakers’ tag has always got on my nerves also. Many of them were move or crash type moves along with a few tangles with people over the years.
No one is really rubbish on the grid, but there’s a few that it becomes obvious they won’t the be top tier.
LM240 said:
No one is really rubbish on the grid, but there’s a few that it becomes obvious they won’t the be top tier.
Personally IMVHO the only "very special" driver left on the grid is Alonso.I know, I know a lot (99.9%) of people will disagree.
I think Norris has the potential but he needs to get a move on.
The rest, they are all amazing and could all be (and some are) World Champions but Alonso just has that "Senna" or "Stewart" about him.
LM240 said:
48Valves said:
I said on here years ago he wasn’t as good as he marketed himself to be. And got slated for it. He is very good at self promotion with his smiles and good humour. But quite often that is a mask. Some of his true colours started to show through in the latest DtS.
The Redbull was a good car that gave him a few wins. But he’s not the kind of driver to drag an underperforming car up a few places.
He’s done very well for himself obviously, but he’s peaked. Getting soundly beaten by someone with tonsillitis is not a good look!
I’m with you, I’ve always felt he is very overrated. The Redbull was a good car that gave him a few wins. But he’s not the kind of driver to drag an underperforming car up a few places.
He’s done very well for himself obviously, but he’s peaked. Getting soundly beaten by someone with tonsillitis is not a good look!
The ‘last of the late brakers’ tag has always got on my nerves also. Many of them were move or crash type moves along with a few tangles with people over the years.
No one is really rubbish on the grid, but there’s a few that it becomes obvious they won’t the be top tier.
gotoPzero said:
Personally IMVHO the only "very special" driver left on the grid is Alonso.
I know, I know a lot (99.9%) of people will disagree.
I think Norris has the potential but he needs to get a move on.
The rest, they are all amazing and could all be (and some are) World Champions but Alonso just has that "Senna" or "Stewart" about him.
For sheer charisma I agree Fred stands alone. For ability, I'd say add LH and Max. Possibly add Charles and Lando depending on if they fulfil their promise. Jury still out on the others for me.I know, I know a lot (99.9%) of people will disagree.
I think Norris has the potential but he needs to get a move on.
The rest, they are all amazing and could all be (and some are) World Champions but Alonso just has that "Senna" or "Stewart" about him.
Stan the Bat said:
That DTS did show him in a different light, trying to get one over on Lando at that meeting.
What did I miss ?edited to add; (in order to join in more fully with the conversation).
The real superstars don’t come along very often. In the 80’s we had Villeneuve, Lauda, and the ‘gang of four’.
Moving along to the modern era, LH, (and believe me, I’m no fan), Alonso, MV, Seb and I’d probably be inclined to add Leclerc.
As good as Ricardo is, (or can be on the right day), I’ve never viewed him as being the absolute best of the best. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this is his last season, and we sadly see his flame extinguished with a whimper.
Edited by 105.4 on Tuesday 24th May 20:16
sparta6 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Swap him with Colton Herta next season?
That will probably happen.Makes sense for lots of reasons.
Interesting that Zak Brown has now called Ricciardo out in public.
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12620535/d...
Kick up the rear or beginning of the end?
I wonder if they'll look at Gasly (who, let's face it won't be going to Red Bull ever) or take a risk and try to go for Piastri.
Muzzer79 said:
I think Colton still makes too many mistakes for F1. He needs to win the Indycar title and be more consistent. I actually rate Alex Palou higher than him.
Interesting that Zak Brown has now called Ricciardo out in public.
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12620535/d...
Kick up the rear or beginning of the end?
I wonder if they'll look at Gasly (who, let's face it won't be going to Red Bull ever) or take a risk and try to go for Piastri.
Zak is probably now trying to negate the effect to his shareholders of making a huge financial bet on a driver who hasn't performed. Interesting that Zak Brown has now called Ricciardo out in public.
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12620535/d...
Kick up the rear or beginning of the end?
I wonder if they'll look at Gasly (who, let's face it won't be going to Red Bull ever) or take a risk and try to go for Piastri.
But he did pick a kid who is an absolute future WDC in the right equipment so he was 50% right.
Norris' drive in Spain really was outstanding in the circumstances even amongst many of his great performances.
Muzzer79 said:
sparta6 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Swap him with Colton Herta next season?
That will probably happen.Makes sense for lots of reasons.
Interesting that Zak Brown has now called Ricciardo out in public.
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12620535/d...
Kick up the rear or beginning of the end?
I wonder if they'll look at Gasly (who, let's face it won't be going to Red Bull ever) or take a risk and try to go for Piastri.
I can see Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull all looking his way at the end of next year...
Jasandjules said:
LM240 said:
No one is really rubbish on the grid, but there’s a few that it becomes obvious they won’t the be top tier.
Can you say "Latifi"?
Danny & McLaren fan...Genuine, funny & CAN BE quick, who hasn’t become a corporate robot.
But Audi are looking for a team to buy, AM & McLaren are on their list... DR’s experience may come in handy.
( Dont think Vettel will be around either).
Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 25th May 09:57
gotoPzero said:
I think he needs to be careful... he might end up with no good drivers. Norris is high on the hit list and whilst he is contracted its only money. They will have left a door ajar I guess too.
I can see Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull all looking his way at the end of next year...
Ferrari have possibly just made the same mistake McLaren did though Carlos is much closer to the sharp end when he can keep it on track.I can see Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull all looking his way at the end of next year...
I don't see Hamilton vacating his seat, he will want to beat Russell on track rather than walk away.
Perez still has a far higher probability of picking up wins in a dominant Red Bull so I doubt he will go by choice and its unlikely the team would ditch a perfect no.2.
Fascinating stuff though.
Ric was showing well against Max until RBR stacked the deck. Makes me wonder what Lando could do in the same car as Max - Lando is slightly less consistent, but over a season I would expect him to show well.
Same with Russell. He is showing well against Lewis, but over this season I feel Lewis has the edge...if the luck factors out. Russell may well win out in the second season on merit, however unless he adapts his driving style his performance will suffer imo as he ages.
Shame about Ric... I like his on screen personality more than most. Did he get disillusioned or complacent....or was he (and by definition) Max that bad at that stage of their career? (I don't think so btw, as I always rated both)
Same with Russell. He is showing well against Lewis, but over this season I feel Lewis has the edge...if the luck factors out. Russell may well win out in the second season on merit, however unless he adapts his driving style his performance will suffer imo as he ages.
Shame about Ric... I like his on screen personality more than most. Did he get disillusioned or complacent....or was he (and by definition) Max that bad at that stage of their career? (I don't think so btw, as I always rated both)
PhilAsia said:
Ric was showing well against Max until RBR stacked the deck. Makes me wonder what Lando could do in the same car as Max - Lando is slightly less consistent, but over a season I would expect him to show well.
Same with Russell. He is showing well against Lewis, but over this season I feel Lewis has the edge...if the luck factors out. Russell may well win out in the second season on merit, however unless he adapts his driving style his performance will suffer imo as he ages.
Shame about Ric... I like his on screen personality more than most. Did he get disillusioned or complacent....or was he (and by definition) Max that bad at that stage of their career? (I don't think so btw, as I always rated both)
Lando has really been exemplary and performed far beyond his age. He definitely had a blip for two or three weekends when he got mugged and shunted in Spa but other than that he's been outstanding. Dare I say it he's more polished at this point in his career than many other great drivers.Same with Russell. He is showing well against Lewis, but over this season I feel Lewis has the edge...if the luck factors out. Russell may well win out in the second season on merit, however unless he adapts his driving style his performance will suffer imo as he ages.
Shame about Ric... I like his on screen personality more than most. Did he get disillusioned or complacent....or was he (and by definition) Max that bad at that stage of their career? (I don't think so btw, as I always rated both)
He actually comes across as far more genuine out of the car too, he is a uniquely funny guy as only kids of his age who don't take themselves too seriously out of the car can be. Some of his jokes are hilarious, such as pranking Gasly in a recent interview on camera by saying his microphone had covid (which Ocon believed). A quick wit.
With Ricciardo I always get the sense it's a bit more of an act even though he seems a nice enough chap.
gotoPzero said:
Muzzer79 said:
sparta6 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Swap him with Colton Herta next season?
That will probably happen.Makes sense for lots of reasons.
Interesting that Zak Brown has now called Ricciardo out in public.
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12620535/d...
Kick up the rear or beginning of the end?
I wonder if they'll look at Gasly (who, let's face it won't be going to Red Bull ever) or take a risk and try to go for Piastri.
I can see Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull all looking his way at the end of next year...
Muzzer79 said:
sparta6 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Swap him with Colton Herta next season?
That will probably happen.Makes sense for lots of reasons.
Interesting that Zak Brown has now called Ricciardo out in public.
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12620535/d...
Kick up the rear or beginning of the end?
I wonder if they'll look at Gasly (who, let's face it won't be going to Red Bull ever) or take a risk and try to go for Piastri.
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