Daniel Ricciardo
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McLaren did not suit him, but Ric is still marketable IMO. Just that he has to market himself differently. Alpine may consider him if Ric comes to them with a performance clause in his contract, that picks him up for a song, but pays him XXX bonus if he delivers XXX for the team.
Going to any lower ranked team would just be a continuation of the slide I feel.
Edited by PhilAsia on Saturday 6th August 07:27
F1 is a ruthless business and always has been. The reality is Danny has been pants for quite a while now and doesn’t deserve that seat, he’s obviously a great bloke but I never bought into this whole ‘last of the late brakers’ stuff, he picked up wins in an excellent RB but has been consistently overshadowed by his stable mates. On top of this there’s also a relatively fresh bunch of younger, faster drivers who have come through, all of this has devalued his currency.
PhilAsia said:
McLaren did not suit him, but Ric is still marketable IMO. Just that he has to market himself differently. Alpine may consider him if Ric comes to them with a performance clause in his contract, that picks him up for a song, but pays him XXX bonus if he delivers XXX for the team.
Going to any lower ranked team would just be a continuation of the slide I feel.
Iirc when Piquet left Lotus to Benetton he had a similar pay performance clause and he put in some excellent results in not the best car. Perhaps the same could happen to Ricciardo?Going to any lower ranked team would just be a continuation of the slide I feel.
Edited by PhilAsia on Saturday 6th August 07:27
Smollet said:
Iirc when Piquet left Lotus to Benetton he had a similar pay performance clause and he put in some excellent results in not the best car. Perhaps the same could happen to Ricciardo?
He did, IIRC Piquet got £100,000 per point, and it seemed to motivate him very well. That was back when £100,000 was a lot of money, of course. 
Piginapoke said:
I really can't see Alpine taking him after what he did to them. I can maybe see them taking punt on a young driver and looking to the future/2026.
No-one comes out of this very well- Alpine, Alonso and Piastri have all behaved poorly.
Otmar said in an interview the other day, his Renault history wouldn't be a problem if he wanted to come back. No-one comes out of this very well- Alpine, Alonso and Piastri have all behaved poorly.
I could see it happening, I can't imagine he'd want to go to Williams, AlphaTauri etc.
He's been on borrowed time for years.
Basically living on a few good moves in his RB days and his personality, which I'm sure has bought him time.
I'd imagine in terms of VFM he's bottom of the list.
The likes of Latifi (who's actually improved quite a bit this season) will be on a fraction of his wages.
Basically living on a few good moves in his RB days and his personality, which I'm sure has bought him time.
I'd imagine in terms of VFM he's bottom of the list.
The likes of Latifi (who's actually improved quite a bit this season) will be on a fraction of his wages.
I think the mood in F1 has definitely shifted in the past 12 months and yesterday's men are on borrowed time if they are not delivering.
There are far cheaper alternatives that could work out fantastically and initially will be barely any financial risk to a team. Which is exactly what happened with Norris.
Someone like a Pourchaire wouldn't be that much of a risky prospect and the potential upside would far outweigh the risk in my view.
There are far cheaper alternatives that could work out fantastically and initially will be barely any financial risk to a team. Which is exactly what happened with Norris.
Someone like a Pourchaire wouldn't be that much of a risky prospect and the potential upside would far outweigh the risk in my view.
ChocolateFrog said:
He's been on borrowed time for years.
Basically living on a few good moves in his RB days and his personality, which I'm sure has bought him time.
I'd imagine in terms of VFM he's bottom of the list.
The likes of Latifi (who's actually improved quite a bit this season) will be on a fraction of his wages.
I think his smile and banter has kept him in F1 for a while. I should imagine the sponsors lap it up, but when the results aren't coming in it can only last for so long. Basically living on a few good moves in his RB days and his personality, which I'm sure has bought him time.
I'd imagine in terms of VFM he's bottom of the list.
The likes of Latifi (who's actually improved quite a bit this season) will be on a fraction of his wages.
ChocolateFrog said:
He's been on borrowed time for years.
Basically living on a few good moves in his RB days and his personality, which I'm sure has bought him time.
I'd imagine in terms of VFM he's bottom of the list.
The likes of Latifi (who's actually improved quite a bit this season) will be on a fraction of his wages.
You can’t seriously be comparing Ricciardo to Latifi…?Basically living on a few good moves in his RB days and his personality, which I'm sure has bought him time.
I'd imagine in terms of VFM he's bottom of the list.
The likes of Latifi (who's actually improved quite a bit this season) will be on a fraction of his wages.
“Living in a few good moves….and his personality”
Try 8 race wins
The McLaren doesn’t suit him, but let’s not suggest that Ricciardo is anything but a very good racing driver.
SmoothCriminal said:
How can people say the "Mclaren doesn't suit him" it's not even the same car as last year where he was also s
t, the only difference this year is he won't be getting a lucky win.
Completely over rated and living on his future wdc hype redbull days.
The car doesn't suit him lol
The reason I put forward that the "car does not suit him" is because he was having difficulty at one point with the brakes: "...Daniel Ricciardo says getting comfortable with the brakes in his McLaren is one of the biggest adjustments he has to make since joining the team. Having switched to his third different team in the last four seasons, Ricciardo described how he is again having to adapt to a car which behaves differently under braking compared to what he is used to......"t, the only difference this year is he won't be getting a lucky win.Completely over rated and living on his future wdc hype redbull days.
The car doesn't suit him lol
I am not as up-to-date as you SmoothCriminal. Have the brakes been changed/adjusted over 2021/22?
Muzzer79 said:
ChocolateFrog said:
He's been on borrowed time for years.
Basically living on a few good moves in his RB days and his personality, which I'm sure has bought him time.
I'd imagine in terms of VFM he's bottom of the list.
The likes of Latifi (who's actually improved quite a bit this season) will be on a fraction of his wages.
You can’t seriously be comparing Ricciardo to Latifi…?Basically living on a few good moves in his RB days and his personality, which I'm sure has bought him time.
I'd imagine in terms of VFM he's bottom of the list.
The likes of Latifi (who's actually improved quite a bit this season) will be on a fraction of his wages.
“Living in a few good moves….and his personality”
Try 8 race wins
The McLaren doesn’t suit him, but let’s not suggest that Ricciardo is anything but a very good racing driver.
Latifi is maybe a rung above Mazarin, but essentially only there due to his father’s financial input , on pure talent alone he’s nowhere’ near DR.
PhilAsia said:
SmoothCriminal said:
How can people say the "Mclaren doesn't suit him" it's not even the same car as last year where he was also st, the only difference this year is he won't be getting a lucky win.
Completely over rated and living on his future wdc hype redbull days.
The car doesn't suit him lol
The reason I put forward that the "car does not suit him" is because he was having difficulty at one point with the brakes: "...Daniel Ricciardo says getting comfortable with the brakes in his McLaren is one of the biggest adjustments he has to make since joining the team. Having switched to his third different team in the last four seasons, Ricciardo described how he is again having to adapt to a car which behaves differently under braking compared to what he is used to......"t, the only difference this year is he won't be getting a lucky win.Completely over rated and living on his future wdc hype redbull days.
The car doesn't suit him lol
I am not as up-to-date as you SmoothCriminal. Have the brakes been changed/adjusted over 2021/22?
https://www.pmw-magazine.com/news/chassis/brembo-o...
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