Daniel Ricciardo

Daniel Ricciardo

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TheDeuce

22,937 posts

69 months

Saturday 28th May 2022
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cgt2 said:
The comparison with Nando is an interesting one but the difference is that Alonso has always outperformed his teammate and equipment when in a car that wasn't the best. He's still doing that today.

Whatever political issues he's had with teams, he has always put in absolute top notch performances behind the wheel. He really should have won more than two titles.
Today specifically he pushed the car a tad too far though smile

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.alonso-...

Although he still out qualified his team mate so your point stands.

vaud

51,171 posts

158 months

Saturday 28th May 2022
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TheDeuce said:
I can see him departing McLaren (gutted it's not worked out better than it has tbh), but I also see him getting star signed to another team as opposed to being booted from the sport.
I think he will exit F1 for Le Mans et al.

TheDeuce

22,937 posts

69 months

Saturday 28th May 2022
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vaud said:
TheDeuce said:
I can see him departing McLaren (gutted it's not worked out better than it has tbh), but I also see him getting star signed to another team as opposed to being booted from the sport.
I think he will exit F1 for Le Mans et al.
If it's his choice, that's different. I just don't think he'll struggle for a seat just yet.

105.4

4,175 posts

74 months

Saturday 28th May 2022
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TheDeuce said:
vaud said:
TheDeuce said:
I can see him departing McLaren (gutted it's not worked out better than it has tbh), but I also see him getting star signed to another team as opposed to being booted from the sport.
I think he will exit F1 for Le Mans et al.
If it's his choice, that's different. I just don't think he'll struggle for a seat just yet.
I thought the same about Damon Hill, and look how that ended up.

cgt2

7,131 posts

191 months

Saturday 28th May 2022
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TheDeuce said:
Today specifically he pushed the car a tad too far though smile

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.alonso-...

Although he still out qualified his team mate so your point stands.
He did and he did. I like his spirit.

Dynion Araf Uchaf

4,526 posts

226 months

Sunday 29th May 2022
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Form dipping in drivers is nothing new. Ricciardo’s predicament is a lot like Jaques Villenueve. He was another one that was significantly overrated and then made some mad decisions for the money and went off the boil. I suspect you could probably get a bit more out of Ricciardo if you paid him less and gave him a car capable of winning. But realistically he’s been a good but not great driver. Carlos Sainz is also learning this about himself right now. Lando is better than I thought though. There’s something about antipodean drivers though, they can never make it at world level, except for Brabham and Jones. But that was along time ago.

Piginapoke

4,864 posts

188 months

Sunday 29th May 2022
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Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
Form dipping in drivers is nothing new. Ricciardo’s predicament is a lot like Jaques Villenueve. He was another one that was significantly overrated and then made some mad decisions for the money and went off the boil. I suspect you could probably get a bit more out of Ricciardo if you paid him less and gave him a car capable of winning. But realistically he’s been a good but not great driver. Carlos Sainz is also learning this about himself right now. Lando is better than I thought though. There’s something about antipodean drivers though, they can never make it at world level, except for Brabham and Jones. But that was along time ago.
Or Piquet, Jones, Vettel, it happens to most. I don't think he ever really got over being passed over at Red Bull and I can't see where he would go next after McLaren.

Blib

44,633 posts

200 months

Sunday 29th May 2022
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Maybe the problem for Aussie/NZ drivers is that as youngsters they're so far away from competitive, International racing?

It takes enormous commitment and a large financial war chest to relocate to Europe to try to make it.

Dynion Araf Uchaf

4,526 posts

226 months

Sunday 29th May 2022
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Piginapoke said:
Or Piquet, Jones, Vettel, it happens to most. I don't think he ever really got over being passed over at Red Bull and I can't see where he would go next after McLaren.
I’d say that Piquet, Jones we’re a bit older before throttling back so to speak. You could argue that Ricciardo went off the boil when he joined Renault, and I think he was in his 20’s. At the opposite end you get a Mansell or a Rosberg and they started to come on song in their mid 30s.

TheDeuce

22,937 posts

69 months

Sunday 29th May 2022
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Blib said:
Maybe the problem for Aussie/NZ drivers is that as youngsters they're so far away from competitive, International racing?

It takes enormous commitment and a large financial war chest to relocate to Europe to try to make it.
But he did make it and was performing as well as anyone before he departed RB.


Piginapoke

4,864 posts

188 months

Sunday 29th May 2022
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Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
Piginapoke said:
Or Piquet, Jones, Vettel, it happens to most. I don't think he ever really got over being passed over at Red Bull and I can't see where he would go next after McLaren.
I’d say that Piquet, Jones we’re a bit older before throttling back so to speak. You could argue that Ricciardo went off the boil when he joined Renault, and I think he was in his 20’s. At the opposite end you get a Mansell or a Rosberg and they started to come on song in their mid 30s.
Yes, good points.

Milkyway

9,618 posts

56 months

Sunday 29th May 2022
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TheDeuce said:
Blib said:
Maybe the problem for Aussie/NZ drivers is that as youngsters they're so far away from competitive, International racing?

It takes enormous commitment and a large financial war chest to relocate to Europe to try to make it.
But he did make it and was performing as well as anyone before he departed RB.
And not forgetting Mark Webber.

TheDeuce

22,937 posts

69 months

Sunday 29th May 2022
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Milkyway said:
TheDeuce said:
Blib said:
Maybe the problem for Aussie/NZ drivers is that as youngsters they're so far away from competitive, International racing?

It takes enormous commitment and a large financial war chest to relocate to Europe to try to make it.
But he did make it and was performing as well as anyone before he departed RB.
And not forgetting Mark Webber.
A better theory might be that happy chappy Australian F1 drivers get bored of the F1 BS and stop taking it too seriously prematurely. I recall Webber asking Lewis one year if he can really be bothered to carry on! And does DR ever seem to reflect too deeply on his rather disappointing results? He seems more keen on show boating and then flying back home to his family farm - and I get the impression he's perhaps a bit of a kid that needs to get back under the family wing as often as possible, as opposed to digging deep with his support crew to prep for each season in the way that Lewis tends to do. And remember Rosberg? He cut his own family out almost entirely and underwent mental conditioning to beat Lewis in 2016. Have there been any Auz drivers that have gone on that sort of journey through their careers? Has their ever been a bloke from Auz that can be remotely arsed with taking life too seriously? biggrin


Milkyway

9,618 posts

56 months

Sunday 29th May 2022
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Sir Jack Brabham....& his offspring etc seemed to have taken it quite seriously. scratchchin

CanAm

9,442 posts

275 months

Sunday 29th May 2022
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Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
Form dipping in drivers is nothing new. Ricciardo’s predicament is a lot like Jaques Villenueve. He was another one that was significantly overrated and then made some mad decisions for the money and went off the boil. I suspect you could probably get a bit more out of Ricciardo if you paid him less and gave him a car capable of winning. But realistically he’s been a good but not great driver. Carlos Sainz is also learning this about himself right now. Lando is better than I thought though. There’s something about antipodean drivers though, they can never make it at world level, except for Brabham and Jones. But that was along time ago.
And Hulme

Tazar

504 posts

195 months

Sunday 29th May 2022
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There is also probably a point where a driver has a few millions in the bank and a couple of nice properties and he realises that he can live comfortably with that. His investments bring in a steady income and a bit of media work tops that up.

Most of us work to have nice homes, cars, holidays and give our families a good lifestyle. Probably five years in F1 gives that in abundance.

A driver realises when the F1 Championship is not obtainable so probably reevaluates their career.

Muzzer79

10,405 posts

190 months

Sunday 29th May 2022
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It’s a harsh and presumptuous assessment, but it seems like he’s accepted he’ll not be world champion, so is making the most out of a career in the upper midfield, where if he can pick up a win or podiums then he will.

That lack of ultimate goal can be surprisingly negative on a career.

Tazar

504 posts

195 months

Sunday 29th May 2022
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It must be quite demoralising to be the experienced driver in a team with a “youngster “ regularly beating you. It’s not just Daniel with Lando. Lewis must have been churning this over all of the last season knowing he was going to be up against George in 2022. Now here the dreams become nightmares.
Unfortunately sports are like schooldays, there’s always younger talent coming up from the classes below.
And then you get too old and have to leave.

Gtom

1,624 posts

135 months

Sunday 29th May 2022
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Current situation at McLarern.

patmahe

5,788 posts

207 months

Sunday 29th May 2022
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If Daniel leaves/is pushed from McLaren then I don't see where he would go that would even be a step sideways, let alone up. I reckon he'll ultimately head to indycar where I would expect him to do very well and be massively popular because of his likeable character. He'd also make a fortune. Not what he ultimately dreamed of I'm sure, but not a bad life overall 🙂