The Official F1 2023 silly season *contains speculation*

The Official F1 2023 silly season *contains speculation*

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Pflanzgarten

780 posts

5 months

Friday 5th August
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Ian974 said:
Pflanzgarten said:
For all their bluster, what has the Red Bull Young Driver Program ever delivered? Sebastian Vettel and a lot of people sacked.
While it has given them Seb and Max,
It hasn’t, they poached Max from Mercedes by offering him a route straight into F1 with Torro Rosso and promotion to the big team if it went well.

super7

1,404 posts

188 months

Friday 5th August
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Ricciardo out of McLaren and Piastri is in eek

stemll

3,109 posts

180 months

Friday 5th August
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Mark-C said:
Williams-Audi for a year or two whilst they get things started then Audi only and Williams will join the archives.

What value is F1 to Audi when e-tron genuinely means electric rather than hybrid?
They ran hybrids for years at Le Mans with e-tron badging.

What value is hybrid F1 to any manufacturer when their road cars are all electric?

super7

1,404 posts

188 months

Friday 5th August
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stemll said:
Mark-C said:
Williams-Audi for a year or two whilst they get things started then Audi only and Williams will join the archives.

What value is F1 to Audi when e-tron genuinely means electric rather than hybrid?
They ran hybrids for years at Le Mans with e-tron badging.

What value is hybrid F1 to any manufacturer when their road cars are all electric?
Why is Porsche making synthetic fuel in South America? Probably because the whole Hybrid thing still has a lot of legs!!

CoolHands

15,634 posts

175 months

Friday 5th August
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super7 said:
Ricciardo out of McLaren and Piastri is in eek
woop! fia confirmed contract. I presume that means it's legit.

https://twitter.com/formularacers_/status/15554721...


snotrag

13,486 posts

191 months

Friday 5th August
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super7 said:
Ricciardo out of McLaren and Piastri is in eek
Not seeing it confirmed anywhere yet but its what were all thinking....


F1.com said:
If McLaren do get Piastri, what will Alpine do?...

...Top of the list would be Ricciardo. The Australian did a very good job at Enstone when they ran under the Renault banner He’s still a big name despite his recent struggles and would be motivated to succeed.
Really? Am I remembering things differently to reality, not sure sure 'very good' is the correct lingo? It was his decision to leave, Abiteboul seemingly left because DRs performances was on him too.... How much of Renault F1 is still at Alpine F1 (a lot, presumably, as its actually Enstone F1 with different polo shirts..)? Would he even want to go back?


This is the proposed move I am not fully getting with so far....

Edited by snotrag on Friday 5th August 12:10

HustleRussell

22,018 posts

140 months

Friday 5th August
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super7 said:
stemll said:
Mark-C said:
Williams-Audi for a year or two whilst they get things started then Audi only and Williams will join the archives.

What value is F1 to Audi when e-tron genuinely means electric rather than hybrid?
They ran hybrids for years at Le Mans with e-tron badging.

What value is hybrid F1 to any manufacturer when their road cars are all electric?
Why is Porsche making synthetic fuel in South America? Probably because the whole Hybrid thing still has a lot of legs!!
The ongoing supply chain issues and disharmony with Russia and China are going to put a reality check on the rate of the EV transition. The transition period will extend significantly and Hybrid will fill the gap. Hence F1 continuing with ICE and placing the emphasis on carbon neutral fuel technology. I am a believer in EV on a 20-30 year horizon but not by 2030.

HustleRussell

22,018 posts

140 months

Friday 5th August
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Big pay day coming up for Ricciardo. Hope he goes to Alpine.

patmahe

5,532 posts

184 months

Friday 5th August
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snotrag said:
super7 said:
Ricciardo out of McLaren and Piastri is in eek
Not seeing it confirmed anywhere yet but its what were all thinking....


F1.com said:
If McLaren do get Piastri, what will Alpine do?...

...Top of the list would be Ricciardo. The Australian did a very good job at Enstone when they ran under the Renault banner He’s still a big name despite his recent struggles and would be motivated to succeed.[/F1.com]



Really? Am I remembering things differently to reality, not sure sure 'very good' is the correct lingo? It was his decision to leave, Abiteboul seeming left because DRs performances was on him too.... How much of Renault F1 is still Alpine F1 (a lot, presumably...)? Would he even want to go back?


This is the proposed move I am not fully getting with so far....
As close to confirmed as can be - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mclaren-set-to-e...

I agree with the above post to an extent, Daniel started to come good towards the end of his time at Renault, but there was a long period of struggle there too, he also snubbed them in favour of McLaren (looked like a no brainer at the time) which I'm sure upset a lot of people at Alpine.

Even if Daniel doesn't go to Alpine, he'll probably go to Haas, taking Schumacher's seat presumably. Leaving Schumacher at Alpine? Has he shown enough for a mid level team to want him, or would they take a chance on a complete rookie?

I'd say silly season 2022 has a couple of surprises left up its sleeve before its finished.

McAndy

9,978 posts

157 months

Friday 5th August
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patmahe said:
I'd say silly season 2022 has a couple of surprises left up its sleeve before its finished.
Yep. I'm enjoying it almost as much as some of the races! hehe I just wish they'd move faster, as the suspense is killing me...nuts

HustleRussell

22,018 posts

140 months

Friday 5th August
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Do Mclaren have the facility to get rid of Ricciardo if he doesn't want to go? What if 'no amount of money is enough', hypothetically speaking?

HTP99

19,972 posts

120 months

Friday 5th August
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HustleRussell said:
Do Mclaren have the facility to get rid of Ricciardo if he doesn't want to go? What if 'no amount of money is enough', hypothetically speaking?
Could they not just pay him what he was due to earn next season and "rest him" for the year, if it gets messy?

mw88

1,176 posts

91 months

Friday 5th August
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HustleRussell said:
Do Mclaren have the facility to get rid of Ricciardo if he doesn't want to go? What if 'no amount of money is enough', hypothetically speaking?


laugh

thegreenhell

11,116 posts

199 months

Friday 5th August
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HustleRussell said:
Do Mclaren have the facility to get rid of Ricciardo if he doesn't want to go? What if 'no amount of money is enough', hypothetically speaking?
He'd have to be very pig-headed to hold his ground, and it would not be a very pleasant year if the team really don't want him there. I really think he needs to make a deal with them to leave while he has an open goal to jump back into the only other potential big money factory team drive on the grid. That opportunity won't be there for long, and once it's gone his only possible options in F1 would be with someone like Williams or Haas.

fbc

130 posts

116 months

Friday 5th August
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HustleRussell said:
Do Mclaren have the facility to get rid of Ricciardo if he doesn't want to go? What if 'no amount of money is enough', hypothetically speaking?
There would be clauses in the contract to cover the scenario of either party (ie Mclaren or Daniel) wanting to end the contract early. Should he not want to accept those conditions (likely a payout) and contest it, he could take Mclaren to court - but a court would be highly unlikely to enforce the obligations of the contract ("specific performance") and force Mclaren to give Daniel a drive and would instead award Daniel compensation by way of a payment. But that would be unlikely - the contract would almost definitely include clauses for this exact circumstance.

Edited by fbc on Friday 5th August 12:52

Adrian W

12,892 posts

208 months

Friday 5th August
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Wouldn’t it be ironic if DR goes back to Alpine and beats the Mclaren

HustleRussell

22,018 posts

140 months

Friday 5th August
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All the other drivers in the frame for the Alpine drive are so uninspiring- Zhou, Schumacher, Drugovich... They have to go for Ricciardo surely.

carl_w

7,759 posts

238 months

Friday 5th August
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HustleRussell said:
All the other drivers in the frame for the Alpine drive are so uninspiring- Zhou, Schumacher, Drugovich... They have to go for Ricciardo surely.
Depends on his contract with McL and what he negotiates. Full fee could require sitting out the year.

snotrag

13,486 posts

191 months

Friday 5th August
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HustleRussell said:
All the other drivers in the frame for the Alpine drive are so uninspiring- Zhou, Schumacher, Drugovich... They have to go for Ricciardo surely.
The thing is, based on recent history, that decision looks more like uninspiring and cheap. Or uninspiring and expensive?

Bradgate

2,656 posts

127 months

Friday 5th August
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HustleRussell said:
All the other drivers in the frame for the Alpine drive are so uninspiring- Zhou, Schumacher, Drugovich... They have to go for Ricciardo surely.
They could hire Gasly. He’s French, he’s a GP winner and he has proved himself since being back at AT.