Masi gone from F1

Masi gone from F1

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PhilAsia

1,340 posts

55 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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LukeBrown66 said:
Cant believe so called fans are still talking about this, it is done, nothing will ever change, what it does show is how remarkably easy it is to forget what is going on in the current season, (I do not follow F1 remotely as much as I once did sadly) and how utterly polarised some fans are.

However, if it took this much for you realise there is no sport in F1, then I hope you are enlightened, you may be staggered to find out that consistently the best funded team in f1 has now consistently underperformed pretty much for 10 years, despite every attempt made to make it happen!

I am not shocked by anything Masi did, he was a puppet, and the only thing I do feel is that he should spill the beans, but I would guess if he does, he will never work in the sport again and will probably face numerous fines from all sorts of people if he did so.
Says the guy who questions the colour and length of the grass at Silverstone ad nauseum... biggrin

Muzzer79

6,661 posts

167 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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NRS said:
coyft said:
Muzzer79 said:
Calling someone out in public for shagging your wife is different from sitting behind a keyboard in your Mum's basement typing out racist abuse and death threats.

So, the grown up answer is never.

The answer probably isn't as black and white as that - humans are emotional.

However, it sure as hell isn't because someone calls a car race, or any other sporting event, wrong and you're throwing a tantrum about it.

And racist abuse is never acceptable.
I’ve already stated that threats and racial abuse are never acceptable. But a bit of “cheating toe rag” is to be expected if you don’t explain your actions.
Everyone has called out the racist and death threats as completely wrong. But of course some posters seem to think calling someone a moron is approving death threads.
Yes, I'm sure that we've travelled back in time and the messages Masi has been getting are along the lines of

"You're a moron"
"You're a cheating toe rag"
"You silly sausage"

And contain no obscenities or abusive profanity at all rolleyes

I absolutely do not dispute the monumental farce that AD 2021 was, the tainted title, the theft from the true winner or complete cock-up in race procedure.

I do dispute that Masi deserves to have abuse hurled at him online as a result.

NRS

20,247 posts

181 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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Muzzer79 said:
NRS said:
coyft said:
Muzzer79 said:
Calling someone out in public for shagging your wife is different from sitting behind a keyboard in your Mum's basement typing out racist abuse and death threats.

So, the grown up answer is never.

The answer probably isn't as black and white as that - humans are emotional.

However, it sure as hell isn't because someone calls a car race, or any other sporting event, wrong and you're throwing a tantrum about it.

And racist abuse is never acceptable.
I’ve already stated that threats and racial abuse are never acceptable. But a bit of “cheating toe rag” is to be expected if you don’t explain your actions.
Everyone has called out the racist and death threats as completely wrong. But of course some posters seem to think calling someone a moron is approving death threads.
Yes, I'm sure that we've travelled back in time and the messages Masi has been getting are along the lines of

"You're a moron"
"You're a cheating toe rag"
"You silly sausage"

And contain no obscenities or abusive profanity at all rolleyes

I absolutely do not dispute the monumental farce that AD 2021 was, the tainted title, the theft from the true winner or complete cock-up in race procedure.

I do dispute that Masi deserves to have abuse hurled at him online as a result.
No one is saying he never got threats or abuse that was too much. And people are condemning those sorts of threats. But they are also saying calling him a moron is fine.

There is a difference between saying:

"You're a silly sausage for what you did"
"I'm going to kill you for what you did".

One is in many people's views acceptable, the second isn't. Saying the first is ok does not mean that the second didn't happen, or saying it is ok. You appear to be saying the first is the same as the second, and should not be allowed.

PhilAsia

1,340 posts

55 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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One positive take on this is that thankfully Masi is not an airline pilot, air traffic controller, or brain surgeon.

shtu

2,632 posts

126 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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<walks away from charred wreckage of aircraft>

"It's called a landing."

911r

241 posts

5 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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shtu said:
<walks away from charred wreckage of aircraft>

"It's called a landing."
Leave me alone your making me depressed with your verbal attacks on me , I did my best I made a mistake at work and 200 people died . But I won’t say sorry .

HustleRussell

22,018 posts

140 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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LukeBrown66 said:
Cant believe so called fans are still talking about this, it is done, nothing will ever change, what it does show is how remarkably easy it is to forget what is going on in the current season, (I do not follow F1 remotely as much as I once did sadly) and how utterly polarised some fans are.

However, if it took this much for you realise there is no sport in F1, then I hope you are enlightened, you may be staggered to find out that consistently the best funded team in f1 has now consistently underperformed pretty much for 10 years, despite every attempt made to make it happen!

I am not shocked by anything Masi did, he was a puppet, and the only thing I do feel is that he should spill the beans, but I would guess if he does, he will never work in the sport again and will probably face numerous fines from all sorts of people if he did so.
It's rich that you cast aspersions about the quality of the fans when all you ever do is bemoan the sport.

HustleRussell

22,018 posts

140 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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911r said:
shtu said:
<walks away from charred wreckage of aircraft>

"It's called a landing."
Leave me alone your making me depressed with your verbal attacks on me , I did my best I made a mistake at work and 200 people died . But I won’t say sorry .
"I had air traffic control in one ear, my co-pilot in the other, it was all too much to process so I just ignored the procedures and put it down on the M1"

911r

241 posts

5 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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HustleRussell said:
911r said:
shtu said:
<walks away from charred wreckage of aircraft>

"It's called a landing."
Leave me alone your making me depressed with your verbal attacks on me , I did my best I made a mistake at work and 200 people died . But I won’t say sorry .
"I had air traffic control in one ear, my co-pilot in the other, it was all too much to process so I just ignored the procedures and put it down on the M1"
This just gave me a idea , why doesn’t f1 hire a air traffic controller . They would be disciplined enough not to make up the rules on the fly .

jm doc

2,138 posts

212 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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Hungrymc said:
vdn said:
RB Will said:
I really feel for the guy over this situation.

I don’t believe for a second he did it in order to manipulate the final result to be a Max win. As he said to Toto, it is a race and I think he was just trying to achieve something exciting for everyone. Which is an understandable thought. F1 fans forever bang on about it being boring etc. there would also have been no end of moaning if the most dramatic final race race of a season ended under a safety car so he was in a lose lose situation.

It isn’t like he just handed Max the win, he had to work for it with the overtake and defence, Lewis very nearly took it back despite the tyres.

Maybe it is because I can empathise with him having similar experience at work ( though much less important and lower profile obviously) of having to deviate from normal procedure to get the job done and being shat all over for it.
rofl
I’m bewildered at the lengths some will go to in order to try and twist reality to in some way justify what happened.

I think there is a suggestion in RB’s post that Masi just deviated from process to ‘get the job done’? I thought his job was literally to ensure the rules were applied. Incredible really how some are still desperate to find ways to justify it.

I don’t doubt that the online abuse has overstepped the mark, we have rules and laws over such things. I’m sure Masi would like to see those rules applied…..

Abuse that oversteps the law is wrong… He is a clown at best and possibly something worse. Both are true.
Until there's a full independent investigation we will never know if Masi's actions were also criminal. There's certainly enough evidence to suggest that there should be a criminal investigation.



Jasandjules

67,743 posts

209 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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I see it appears that Masi has signed an NDA specifically precluding him from talking about the reasons/basis upon which he allowed some un-lapped cars to overtake in AD 2021. Nothing to see here.......

PhilAsia

1,340 posts

55 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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Masi could have shot all the fish in the barrel. Instead he chose to shoot himself in the foot. The NDA is not a good look...

911r

241 posts

5 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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PhilAsia said:
Masi could have shot all the fish in the barrel. Instead he chose to shoot himself in the foot. The NDA is not a good look...
What is Masi’s good look ?

I guess he’s lucky he wasn’t a ref in a rugby game , given he’s hiding in Australia now .

I wonder how those fans would have treated him ?

Sandpit Steve

6,604 posts

54 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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PhilAsia said:
Masi could have shot all the fish in the barrel. Instead he chose to shoot himself in the foot. The NDA is not a good look...
It’s nearly as bad a look, as giving a public interview talking about an NDA.

angrymoby

1,938 posts

158 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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LukeBrown66 said:
Cant believe so called fans are still talking about this
LukeBrown66 said:
it is done, nothing will ever change
the above are not mutually exclusive

& are those that still talk about Prost & Senna in '89 & '90 "so called fans"? ...or those that still talk about Schumacher & '94 & '97?

LukeBrown66 said:
he will never work in the sport again and will probably face numerous fines from all sorts of people if he did so.
he wont need to with that big pot of cash he's been given from the FIA ...which is the only people that will go after him if he breaks his NDA

playamonte

79 posts

9 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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PhilAsia said:
Lewis had 40 lap old hard tyres

Max had brand new soft tyres

WTF did any reasonably intelligent person expect to happen with tyres that were 3 seconds a lap quicker?

2021 WDC


Farce...
Yes a farce, plain & simple.

A distasteful decision by a distasteful official, for a distasteful team.

Krikkit

24,238 posts

161 months

Wednesday 3rd August
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jm doc said:
Until there's a full independent investigation we will never know if Masi's actions were also criminal. There's certainly enough evidence to suggest that there should be a criminal investigation.
You don't really believe that do you? Criminal?

NRS

20,247 posts

181 months

Wednesday 3rd August
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Krikkit said:
jm doc said:
Until there's a full independent investigation we will never know if Masi's actions were also criminal. There's certainly enough evidence to suggest that there should be a criminal investigation.
You don't really believe that do you? Criminal?
I'd say it could suggest possible match fixing - at least enough that it would make sense to investigate it (remembering an investigation is just that, to check the facts and doesn't mean he is guilty).

LukeBrown66

2,612 posts

26 months

Wednesday 3rd August
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You guys are funny, think about it.

Masi is a race director, he could work anywhere, Dorna, WEC, GTWC, America, this is his job, he got to the top level.

If he spills his guts now and tells all about what happened he will never do that job again, I don't know about you, but I would like to continue working in the field I had worked hard to get to the top in? Rather than being branded whatever for telling all to the press who just move on the the next thing the day after.

SO he would have been forced to sign an agreement, to preserve his potential of getting work elsewhere.

I am sure he will spill all when he retires!!

paulguitar

16,686 posts

93 months

Wednesday 3rd August
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Do you actually think anyone would be nuts enough to employ him now?