Official 2022 Hungarian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[anonymous-user]

PhilAsia said:

Testament to Russell and Lewis' ability to mop up points.

I have always said Russell is a next gen WDC and will give Max, LehrClerck and Norris ample headaches. Lewis in his twilight years too.

They kept Bottas too long, it would have been an easy win for Mercedes and Lewis with Russell in the car taking points off Max.

[anonymous-user]

Or rather they thought Bottas would be quicker and give more of a st than he did, I thought he was a disgrace to be honest compared to Perez

[DBSV8]

Maxdecel said:

Well it wasn't the tyres <-Finger. From the horses mouth. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.binotto...
They surely didn't forget to factor in the lower ambient ?

that article really sums how Binotto is 0ut of his depth .....his comment we couldn't win even with the tyre issue ............really.....!! had le Clerc been on the mediums instead of the hards he would have been ahead and not had to make an unnecessary pit stop .............definitely a podium position

[anonymous-user]

jsf said:

PhilAsia said:

Testament to Russell and Lewis' ability to mop up points.

I have always said Russell is a next gen WDC and will give Max, LehrClerck and Norris ample headaches. Lewis in his twilight years too.

They kept Bottas too long, it would have been an easy win for Mercedes and Lewis with Russell in the car taking points off Max.

That's assuming Russel would play second fiddle, which I doubt would have been the case. He would also have taken points off Lewis.

As said earlier, mercedes don't plan a second driver, they both have equal chance.

[anonymous-user]

I think we all know how that would have played out. Max would have crashed a lot more as Russell forced the issue where Bottas gave up.

[Maxdecel]

DBSV8 said:

Maxdecel said:

Well it wasn't the tyres <-Finger. From the horses mouth. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.binotto...
They surely didn't forget to factor in the lower ambient ?

that article really sums how Binotto is 0ut of his depth .....his comment we couldn't win even with the tyre issue ............really.....!! had le Clerc been on the mediums instead of the hards he would have been ahead and not had to make an unnecessary pit stop .............definitely a podium position

That stood out to me too Maybe he's trying to convince himself !

[Piginapoke]

DBSV8 said:

Maxdecel said:

Well it wasn't the tyres <-Finger. From the horses mouth. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.binotto...
They surely didn't forget to factor in the lower ambient ?

that article really sums how Binotto is 0ut of his depth .....his comment we couldn't win even with the tyre issue ............really.....!! had le Clerc been on the mediums instead of the hards he would have been ahead and not had to make an unnecessary pit stop .............definitely a podium position

Any combination of medium/medium/soft and leclerc would have won.

[paulguitar]

pablo said:

Or rather they thought Bottas would be quicker and give more of a st than he did, I thought he was a disgrace to be honest compared to Perez

Perez is hardly setting the world on fire.

[glazbagun]

paulguitar said:

pablo said:

Or rather they thought Bottas would be quicker and give more of a st than he did, I thought he was a disgrace to be honest compared to Perez

Perez is hardly setting the world on fire.

Bottas was fast but couldn't/can't defend to save his life. Max even commented on it when he said that no "best overtake of the season" could ever be one passing Bottas. He's also been pretty open about being depressed at coming up against a generational talent he couldn't beat.

Perez was a great wingman in '21 and was living the dream going from being dumped in '20 to starting in the best car of the season. It was even rumoured he had an underfueled car to delay Lewis as he did such a good job. The (relative. Sainz also started poorly and DR is nowhere) decline of Perez this season is a weird one I can only put down to either car differences or the Red Bull disease of destroying #2 drivers.

Russel in '21 would perhaps have taken points from Lewis, but that would be Max driving into George at every race where Lewis backed off and Max being held up every time Bottas did nothing. Fun speculation but we'll never know.

[PhilAsia]

jsf said:

PhilAsia said:

Testament to Russell and Lewis' ability to mop up points.

I have always said Russell is a next gen WDC and will give Max, LehrClerck and Norris ample headaches. Lewis in his twilight years too.

They kept Bottas too long, it would have been an easy win for Mercedes and Lewis with Russell in the car taking points off Max.

Exactly. Bottas was a great one lap guy, but wasn't the greatest in a full race distance. Russell is a great one lap guy AND only nano seconds behind Lewis at this stage of his career over the course of a race distance. He will become even more well-rounded I feel...

[Piginapoke]

pablo said:

Or rather they thought Bottas would be quicker and give more of a st than he did, I thought he was a disgrace to be honest compared to Perez

Well he gave it a good go in Hungary last year!

[NRS]

SturdyHSV said:

jsf said:

HardtopManual said:

I’m sure someone on here will do the maths, but Leclerc has thrown away 30+ points with mistakes (Imola + Hungaroring) and Ferrari will have chucked away double that with DNFs and strategy errors. Leclerc really could still be in the lead of the WDC.

The weekend debrief on SkyF1 did a chart showing where Leclerc would be without the DNF's or screw ups, he was well in the lead. They have thrown it away.

Yep, and their graph didn't even need to change Max's points to reflect the fact he'd have scored far fewer points with LeClerc converting all the races he's been comfortably leading (at least 5 isn't it?)

If we’re adding all the DNF’s back then are we also doing the same to the 2 Max had? How would that impact the placement?

[SoulGlo]

PhilAsia said:

C70R said:

Deesee said:

Merc are only 10 points behind on last years WCC tally race for race..

That's quite mad really. With an objectively worse car relative to others on the grid, and having a new driver in the team, it goes to prove the old adage about first finishing to finish first. Reliability has been their friend this year.

Testament to Russell and Lewis' ability to mop up points.

I have always said Russell is a next gen WDC and will give Max, LehrClerck and Norris ample headaches. Lewis in his twilight years too.

100%

IMO If George was in the other Merc in 2021 I think Lewis would have won his 8th title...

[Gad-Westy]

pablo said:

Or rather they thought Bottas would be quicker and give more of a st than he did, I thought he was a disgrace to be honest compared to Perez

TBH, I think Perez is quite overrated on PH. There seems to be an awful lot of love for him here but I'm not sure that the results back it up. If you take last season, if Perez had been as close to his teammate as Bottas was, RB would be constructor champions. Bottas' lack of defence at times was incredibly frustrating but he was still a more effective point scorer than Perez. There are many on here that seem to think Perez would be in with a shot of the title if RB let him but he is consistently out qualified and out raced by Max. He is having a good season in 2022 and currently sits third but as a ratio of point scoring vs his teammate, he is the furthest adrift of all of the top 6. I like Perez and I liked Bottas but they both seem to lack the last 1 or 2 percent that some of the other guys have.

[SturdyHSV]

NRS said:

SturdyHSV said:

jsf said:

HardtopManual said:

I’m sure someone on here will do the maths, but Leclerc has thrown away 30+ points with mistakes (Imola + Hungaroring) and Ferrari will have chucked away double that with DNFs and strategy errors. Leclerc really could still be in the lead of the WDC.

The weekend debrief on SkyF1 did a chart showing where Leclerc would be without the DNF's or screw ups, he was well in the lead. They have thrown it away.

Yep, and their graph didn't even need to change Max's points to reflect the fact he'd have scored far fewer points with LeClerc converting all the races he's been comfortably leading (at least 5 isn't it?)

If we’re adding all the DNF’s back then are we also doing the same to the 2 Max had? How would that impact the placement?

Would mean 2 additional second places (so 36 points) for Max, compared to what, about 5 wins for LeClerc, so an additional 125 points, and if Max was bumped to 2nd for all 5 of LeClerc's wins he'd have lost an additional ~35 points.

So for arguments sake, if all DNFs were taken out, I'd suggest Max would have roughly the same number of points (assuming he came 2nd whenever LeClerc didn't retire from 1st...) and LeClerc would have probably 125 more than he does now, putting him about 45 points in the lead?

We're well into the realms of utter theoretical guesswork here though!

[Gad-Westy]

SturdyHSV said:

NRS said:

SturdyHSV said:

jsf said:

HardtopManual said:

I’m sure someone on here will do the maths, but Leclerc has thrown away 30+ points with mistakes (Imola + Hungaroring) and Ferrari will have chucked away double that with DNFs and strategy errors. Leclerc really could still be in the lead of the WDC.

The weekend debrief on SkyF1 did a chart showing where Leclerc would be without the DNF's or screw ups, he was well in the lead. They have thrown it away.

Yep, and their graph didn't even need to change Max's points to reflect the fact he'd have scored far fewer points with LeClerc converting all the races he's been comfortably leading (at least 5 isn't it?)

If we’re adding all the DNF’s back then are we also doing the same to the 2 Max had? How would that impact the placement?

Would mean 2 additional second places (so 36 points) for Max, compared to what, about 5 wins for LeClerc, so an additional 125 points, and if Max was bumped to 2nd for all 5 of LeClerc's wins he'd have lost an additional ~35 points.

So for arguments sake, if all DNFs were taken out, I'd suggest Max would have roughly the same number of points (assuming he came 2nd whenever LeClerc didn't retire from 1st...) and LeClerc would have probably 125 more than he does now, putting him about 45 points in the lead?

We're well into the realms of utter theoretical guesswork here though!

125 points would suggest CL scored 0 in his cocked up races.

[PhilAsia]

So, here we are, going into the summer break...

[PhilAsia]

Piginapoke said:

pablo said:

Or rather they thought Bottas would be quicker and give more of a st than he did, I thought he was a disgrace to be honest compared to Perez

Well he gave it a good go in Hungary last year!

Really grasping at straws there PiaP

In the wet...

At the start...

1st corner...

Lando early brake...

Bottas lock up tap...

[snotrag]

He is brilliant as ever. I think Binotto might be the best!

[SturdyHSV]

Gad-Westy said:

SturdyHSV said:

NRS said:

SturdyHSV said:

jsf said:

HardtopManual said:

I’m sure someone on here will do the maths, but Leclerc has thrown away 30+ points with mistakes (Imola + Hungaroring) and Ferrari will have chucked away double that with DNFs and strategy errors. Leclerc really could still be in the lead of the WDC.

The weekend debrief on SkyF1 did a chart showing where Leclerc would be without the DNF's or screw ups, he was well in the lead. They have thrown it away.

Yep, and their graph didn't even need to change Max's points to reflect the fact he'd have scored far fewer points with LeClerc converting all the races he's been comfortably leading (at least 5 isn't it?)

If we’re adding all the DNF’s back then are we also doing the same to the 2 Max had? How would that impact the placement?

Would mean 2 additional second places (so 36 points) for Max, compared to what, about 5 wins for LeClerc, so an additional 125 points, and if Max was bumped to 2nd for all 5 of LeClerc's wins he'd have lost an additional ~35 points.

So for arguments sake, if all DNFs were taken out, I'd suggest Max would have roughly the same number of points (assuming he came 2nd whenever LeClerc didn't retire from 1st...) and LeClerc would have probably 125 more than he does now, putting him about 45 points in the lead?

We're well into the realms of utter theoretical guesswork here though!

125 points would suggest CL scored 0 in his cocked up races.

Ah yes of course, didn't give it much thought You must be an engineer by trade? Great pleasure in pointing out the mistake / problem with zero interest in offering a solution

So what has he had, 2 engine failures, 1 crash (so 75), then what was it, 4th place in Monaco because of strategy (13 point loss?), Hungary strategy lost a few places (another what, 8 points or so at least?) that's already close to 100 points, his mistake in Imola cost him a few places, Ferrari 'strategy' at Silverstone lost him some places, the power unit explosions put him at the back of the grid in Canada, and given how close Carlos was to winning you've got to assume Charles would have done as well or better there, more points lost, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest without the failures and 'strategy' he'd probably have ~125 more points.

It's irrelevant anyway of course, just thought I'd try to add a bit more to the discussion.