Official 2022 Italian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[C70R]

g4ry13 said:

cuprabob said:

Apologies if it's already been discussed and I missed but it would seem Alex Albon had slight complications during his operation and ended up in ICU for a short time.
https://www.williamsf1.com/posts/30a27ca2-26e6-4b0...

He's not racing in Singapore.Surely not...

The complication he suffered is pretty common (it happened to MrsC once), and shouldn't impact his recovery time.

[C70R]

HustleRussell said:

ETA: I hope Albon makes a speedy recovery of course and will be happy to see him back...

I would actually like de Vries to get another go because I feel like it'll be a reality check for everyone. He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.

I'd have to say that it's tough to recall an outstanding performance from Albon recently. He's battled back from a few poor qualifying performances to bring the Williams up to roughly where it should be (10th-14th), but I don't really feel like he's punching above his weight at the moment. He's also been guilty of a free clumsy moments (like Saudi), which you'd expect from someone relatively green.

In the cold, hard light of day, de Vries has just equalled Albon's best finish of the season on debut. I'm not ready to write Albon off yet, but this does suggest the need to ask some questions.

I think I've made my feelings clear on Latifi. He's probably living his dream, but he's basically an empty seat (chequebook aside).

Edited by C70R on Wednesday 14th September 11:10

[Frimley111R]

HustleRussell said:

ETA: I hope Albon makes a speedy recovery of course and will be happy to see him back...

I would actually like de Vries to get another go because I feel like it'll be a reality check for everyone. He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.

What things?

To me it just confirms how poor Latifi is.

[HustleRussell]

Frimley111R said:

HustleRussell said:

ETA: I hope Albon makes a speedy recovery of course and will be happy to see him back...

I would actually like de Vries to get another go because I feel like it'll be a reality check for everyone. He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.

What things?

To me it just confirms how poor Latifi is.

The things;
Monza is almost certainly the one circuit which suits the Williams best of all from a pure pace perspective

de Vries did qualify well, 13th on pace and a tenth faster than Latifi (although he had a lap disallowed which was IIRC a few tenths faster and would've had him knocking on the door of Q3) but he was also promoted by five places due to penalties for others because Monza is a circuit where many teams opted to stock up on components for the final leg of the season.

Monza again, the Williams car and the current formula making de Vries very had to overtake. Straight line speed and DRS trains.

[Siao]

HustleRussell said:

Frimley111R said:

HustleRussell said:

ETA: I hope Albon makes a speedy recovery of course and will be happy to see him back...

I would actually like de Vries to get another go because I feel like it'll be a reality check for everyone. He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.

What things?

To me it just confirms how poor Latifi is.

The things;
Monza is almost certainly the one circuit which suits the Williams best of all from a pure pace perspective

de Vries did qualify well, 13th on pace and a tenth faster than Latifi (although he had a lap disallowed which was IIRC a few tenths faster and would've had him knocking on the door of Q3) but he was also promoted by five places due to penalties for others because Monza is a circuit where many teams opted to stock up on components for the final leg of the season.

Monza again, the Williams car and the current formula making de Vries very had to overtake. Straight line speed and DRS trains.

For me it does not matter what Williams did around Monza against any of the other drivers. His yardstick is his team mate and he thoroughly beat him fair and square the whole weekend, with a day's notice and not much prep.

That is on merit and nothing can take it from him. It also shows how bad Latifi performed, but that's not news I guess

[alisdairm]

This reminded me of when Lorenzo joined Rossi at Yamaha in MotoGP.

Rossie didn't like the equal footing Yamaha gave both riders and insisted a wall was installed between the two team mates in the pits, and refused to share data with Lorenzo.

[Jasandjules]

HustleRussell said:

He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.

There was nothing in his favour that also did not favour his team mate. Except talent.

[entropy]

C70R said:

I'd have to say that it's tough to recall an outstanding performance from Albon recently. He's battled back from a few poor qualifying performances to bring the Williams up to roughly where it should be (10th-14th), but I don't really feel like he's punching above his weight at the moment. He's also been guilty of a free clumsy moments (like Saudi), which you'd expect from someone relatively green.

In the cold, hard light of day, de Vries has just equalled Albon's best finish of the season on debut. I'm not ready to write Albon off yet, but this does suggest the need to ask some questions.

I think I've made my feelings clear on Latifi. He's probably living his dream, but he's basically an empty seat (chequebook aside).

Edited by C70R on Wednesday 14th September 11:10

The elephant in the room is we don't know how Albon would have performed during the weekend. Equal? Better? Latifi made it into Q2 so the Williams had good pace.

One thing we would agree on is that an Albon-NDV Williams line-up is far more exciting than the current.

[HustleRussell]

Jasandjules said:

HustleRussell said:

He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.

There was nothing in his favour that also did not favour his team mate. Except talent.

Don't mistake my post for a defense of Latifi.

[andburg]

HustleRussell said:

Jasandjules said:

HustleRussell said:

He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.

There was nothing in his favour that also did not favour his team mate. Except talent.

Don't mistake my post for a defense of Latifi.

in defesne of Latifi, his money is as good as anyone elses and its better than Mazepin's!

[ajprice]

HustleRussell said:

ETA: I hope Albon makes a speedy recovery of course and will be happy to see him back...

I would actually like de Vries to get another go because I feel like it'll be a reality check for everyone. He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.

Albon is at home and aiming to be in Singapore https://twitter.com/alex_albon/status/157085384888... . I wouldn't call being in intensive care after respiratory failure from an anaesthetic reaction a 'slight issue' though!

[C70R]

ajprice said:

HustleRussell said:

ETA: I hope Albon makes a speedy recovery of course and will be happy to see him back...

I would actually like de Vries to get another go because I feel like it'll be a reality check for everyone. He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.

Albon is at home and aiming to be in Singapore https://twitter.com/alex_albon/status/157085384888... . I wouldn't call being in intensive care after respiratory failure from an anaesthetic reaction a 'slight issue' though!

"Respiratory failure" is a very broad term, and covers a few different scenarios with varying levels of severity.

Even though it might seem quite scary to read, what Alex suffered is a not-uncommon reaction to general anaesthetic. It's easy to treat/monitor, and shouldn't really affect his recovery from the operation.

[jm doc]

C70R said:

ajprice said:

HustleRussell said:

ETA: I hope Albon makes a speedy recovery of course and will be happy to see him back...

I would actually like de Vries to get another go because I feel like it'll be a reality check for everyone. He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.

Albon is at home and aiming to be in Singapore https://twitter.com/alex_albon/status/157085384888... . I wouldn't call being in intensive care after respiratory failure from an anaesthetic reaction a 'slight issue' though!

"Respiratory failure" is a very broad term, and covers a few different scenarios with varying levels of severity.

Even though it might seem quite scary to read, what Alex suffered is a not-uncommon reaction to general anaesthetic. It's easy to treat/monitor, and shouldn't really affect his recovery from the operation.

Rubbish. He suffered a serious and unusual complication of general anaesthesia in someone of his age. He’s been very lucky.

[C70R]

jm doc said:

C70R said:

ajprice said:

HustleRussell said:

ETA: I hope Albon makes a speedy recovery of course and will be happy to see him back...

I would actually like de Vries to get another go because I feel like it'll be a reality check for everyone. He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.

Albon is at home and aiming to be in Singapore https://twitter.com/alex_albon/status/157085384888... . I wouldn't call being in intensive care after respiratory failure from an anaesthetic reaction a 'slight issue' though!

"Respiratory failure" is a very broad term, and covers a few different scenarios with varying levels of severity.

Even though it might seem quite scary to read, what Alex suffered is a not-uncommon reaction to general anaesthetic. It's easy to treat/monitor, and shouldn't really affect his recovery from the operation.

Rubbish. He suffered a serious and unusual complication of general anaesthesia in someone of his age. He’s been very lucky.

MrsC suffered exactly the same thing a few years ago. She was out of hospital after being monitored for 24hrs and it didn't impede her recovery.

It's an adverse reaction to general anaesthetic.

[Jasandjules]

C70R said:

MrsC suffered exactly the same thing a few years ago. She was out of hospital after being monitored for 24hrs and it didn't impede her recovery.

It's an adverse reaction to general anaesthetic.

Except she is not a super fit athlete (I assume) who is driving cars pulling 5gs for over an hour in a race. Just look at DeVries at the end of the race, and he is pretty damn fit. I appreciate he is fit and young so may well recover quicker, BUT the extremes he will be required to experience in racing/quali etc..... I will be astonished if he can cope in such a short time frame. But we will see.

[MustangGT]

jm doc said:

C70R said:

ajprice said:

HustleRussell said:

ETA: I hope Albon makes a speedy recovery of course and will be happy to see him back...

I would actually like de Vries to get another go because I feel like it'll be a reality check for everyone. He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.

Albon is at home and aiming to be in Singapore https://twitter.com/alex_albon/status/157085384888... . I wouldn't call being in intensive care after respiratory failure from an anaesthetic reaction a 'slight issue' though!

"Respiratory failure" is a very broad term, and covers a few different scenarios with varying levels of severity.

Even though it might seem quite scary to read, what Alex suffered is a not-uncommon reaction to general anaesthetic. It's easy to treat/monitor, and shouldn't really affect his recovery from the operation.

Rubbish. He suffered a serious and unusual complication of general anaesthesia in someone of his age. He’s been very lucky.

Could well have been sensitivity to Suxamethonium. This is something that can be tested for and is related to Cholinesterase. I suffer from this sensitivity and need to make sure it is known before any operation. It can be genetically passed down to your children.

[numtumfutunch]

jm doc said:

Rubbish. He suffered a serious and unusual complication of general anaesthesia in someone of his age. He’s been very lucky.

What was the complication he had?

[jm doc]

numtumfutunch said:

jm doc said:

Rubbish. He suffered a serious and unusual complication of general anaesthesia in someone of his age. He’s been very lucky.

What was the complication he had?

It’s been reported as respiratory failure.

[jm doc]

C70R said:

jm doc said:

C70R said:

ajprice said:

HustleRussell said:

ETA: I hope Albon makes a speedy recovery of course and will be happy to see him back...

I would actually like de Vries to get another go because I feel like it'll be a reality check for everyone. He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.

Albon is at home and aiming to be in Singapore https://twitter.com/alex_albon/status/157085384888... . I wouldn't call being in intensive care after respiratory failure from an anaesthetic reaction a 'slight issue' though!

"Respiratory failure" is a very broad term, and covers a few different scenarios with varying levels of severity.

Even though it might seem quite scary to read, what Alex suffered is a not-uncommon reaction to general anaesthetic. It's easy to treat/monitor, and shouldn't really affect his recovery from the operation.

Rubbish. He suffered a serious and unusual complication of general anaesthesia in someone of his age. He’s been very lucky.

MrsC suffered exactly the same thing a few years ago. She was out of hospital after being monitored for 24hrs and it didn't impede her recovery.

It's an adverse reaction to general anaesthetic.

He was admitted to ICU, that doesn’t happen unless it’s serious
Just because your wife had something wrong doesn’t make it common, except perhaps to you.
We also don’t know the actual cause of his problem, respiratory failure is a broad term.

[numtumfutunch]

jm doc said:

He was admitted to ICU, that doesn’t happen unless it’s serious
Just because your wife had something wrong doesn’t make it common, except perhaps to you.
We also don’t know the actual cause of his problem, respiratory failure is a broad term.

What kind of things give you respiratory failure if you're a young superfit sports person?