Porsche Pull Out Of red Bull Collaboration
Discussion
FourGears said:
I wonder who Porsche will approach next?
I think the question his who else will RBR look to link up with. Making your own PUs from scratch is a massive undertaking for a non-automotive/engineering company even with a bit of help from Honda.No great surprise how things panned out. What is interesting is that Mateschitz was fully in favour of the tie-up whereas the rest of RBR were not.
Shades of Williams-BMW, McLaren-Mercedes. Teams wanting independence from manufacturers.
RBR have played the threatening-to-leave card in the past decade. Horner, et. al. want to be in F1 for the long haul, but methinks Dieter wants a convenient exit strategy.
thegreenhell said:
FourGears said:
I wonder who Porsche will approach next?
Porsche need an engine partner because they don't have the capacity to make their own. That was why they were trying to go with Red Bull.No other F1 manufacturer or team will offer them that ability.
Everything I've seen so far led me to believe that the Porsche and Audi entries were very separate, and the immediate intention wasn't to be sharing engines and parts.
Would they set up their own team in Germany, using variations of the Audi engines?
entropy said:
I think the question his who else will RBR look to link up with. Making your own PUs from scratch is a massive undertaking for a non-automotive/engineering company even with a bit of help from Honda.
They're not pulling staff off the fizzy drinks line in Austria and asking them to figure out how an engine works... I'd wager RBPT don't need to link up with anyone, if there isn't a beneficial partnership to be made, then they'll go it alone, they've already fired up the first engine as CH said on a Sky interview last week.Olivera said:
thegreenhell said:
Porsche need an engine partner because they don't have the capacity to make their own. That was why they were trying to go with Red Bull.
Porsche don't have the capacity to make their own PU, but Audi do have the capacity?Audi have reportedly been working on it for some time already, as have Red Bull and probably all of the other PU manufacturers. Anyone starting from scratch now will be at an immediate disadvantage.
Jinba Ittai said:
Aren't Renault selling off their engine division? I'm sure I have read that somewhere? Perhaps Porsche can partner with someone like Aramco, collaborate on a new engine and then supply Andretti?
There was a rumour circling about an Aston Martin engine that was going to be funded by Aramco. It seems to have gone quiet recently though. SturdyHSV said:
They're not pulling staff off the fizzy drinks line in Austria and asking them to figure out how an engine works... I'd wager RBPT don't need to link up with anyone, if there isn't a beneficial partnership to be made, then they'll go it alone, they've already fired up the first engine as CH said on a Sky interview last week.
That's the problem. It's a massive undertaking. No independent team in the modern era has gone on to make/develop their own engine. Not even Ron Dennis who preferred to have free engines for McLaren.Factor in Max on a long contract (if he stays that long) and his remuneration package as well R&D for car and engine. How long can CH keep RBPT going on its own?
entropy said:
That's the problem. It's a massive undertaking. No independent team in the modern era has gone on to make/develop their own engine. Not even Ron Dennis who preferred to have free engines for McLaren.
Factor in Max on a long contract (if he stays that long) and his remuneration package as well R&D for car and engine. How long can CH keep RBPT going on its own?
But with the team budget cap and the new PU budget cap, both of which combined are less than RBR used to spend on a season, they should theoretically be able to do it as long as they can hire the right people to run the technical side. In Ben Hodgkinson (ex head of mechanical at Merc-AMG-HPP) they will hope they have the Newey of engines to lead the PU team.Factor in Max on a long contract (if he stays that long) and his remuneration package as well R&D for car and engine. How long can CH keep RBPT going on its own?
thegreenhell said:
Porsche need an engine partner because they don't have the capacity to make their own. That was why they were trying to go with Red Bull.
No other F1 manufacturer or team will offer them that ability.
I see so that is Porsche done with F1 then?No other F1 manufacturer or team will offer them that ability.
Surely with their knowledge from endurance racing and the simplification of the F1 engines they have a chance?
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