Top 10 drivers currently in F1
Poll: Top 10 drivers currently in F1
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Discussion
mw88 said:
HustleRussell said:
mw88 said:
C70R said:
Performance statistics only work when they are relevent, otherwise Schumacher would be in with a shout of being on this list.
To put Alonso, who hasn't won a GP in almost a decade, in second place made me stop reading properly there. That's nonsense.
Considering the thread is "Top 10 drivers CURRENTLY in F1" I don't think see how Schumacher would be in with a shout.To put Alonso, who hasn't won a GP in almost a decade, in second place made me stop reading properly there. That's nonsense.
Don't think he has the performance stats to back it up!
HustleRussell said:
If we're talking about raw driving talent in isolation then there's a strong case to be made for Alonso or Verstappen.
If we're also considering the whole picture- personal and sporting conduct etc, then it's clearly Hamilton.
What do you mean, isn't it the top 10 of drivers or am I reading this wrong? All 3 should be in there.If we're also considering the whole picture- personal and sporting conduct etc, then it's clearly Hamilton.
Siao said:
HustleRussell said:
If we're talking about raw driving talent in isolation then there's a strong case to be made for Alonso or Verstappen.
If we're also considering the whole picture- personal and sporting conduct etc, then it's clearly Hamilton.
What do you mean, isn't it the top 10 of drivers or am I reading this wrong? All 3 should be in there.If we're also considering the whole picture- personal and sporting conduct etc, then it's clearly Hamilton.
Zarco said:
C70R said:
"Ooh, I'm going to post something controversial up and tell people to do one if they don't agree with it"
Ironic when you're the one who thinks Alonso is just some bloke who hasn't won in a decade.
you (C70) may think what I posted was controversial, but that's just your opinion. Just like what I posted is mine. But yeah, trolling and all that
HustleRussell said:
Siao said:
HustleRussell said:
If we're talking about raw driving talent in isolation then there's a strong case to be made for Alonso or Verstappen.
If we're also considering the whole picture- personal and sporting conduct etc, then it's clearly Hamilton.
What do you mean, isn't it the top 10 of drivers or am I reading this wrong? All 3 should be in there.If we're also considering the whole picture- personal and sporting conduct etc, then it's clearly Hamilton.
1. Hamilton - The most complete driver since Schumacher Snr, and while it's not the question I'd say LH and MSC sit in a bracket all of their own in the modern era. Only some uncharacteristic clumsy mistakes in the first half of the season last year and a butchering of the safety car rules cost him an 8th title.
2. Verstappen - He's undeniably a very special talent and incredibly, incredibly fast and makes very few errors - but he's not the perfect driver Christian Horner, Helmut Marko and David Coulthard would have us believe. His racecraft is dodgy as f
k, veering into outright dirty at points. He's shown signs of improvement and maturing this year but it's hard to say how well that will hold if he finds himself with his back up against the wall again so the jury is still out for me.
3. Russell / Norris - I can't split them tbh, Russell has clearly shown himself to be the real-deal pace wise and his racecraft looks good. The rookie mistakes seem to have dried up but he's yet to find himself in a sustained high-pressure situation. Norris has gone from strength to strength and pulled off some incredible results in a midfield car, everyone focuses on the Ricciardo side of the equation but I don't think Lando gets enough credit. Rather than it being 100% that Dan has been "that bad" I think a fair portion of it is that Lando is "that good"
5. Leclerc - I reckon Charles is as fast as Verstappen/Norris/Russell and he's shown a cool headed crafty racecraft that I rate highly. But he still makes far too many rookie mistakes (none of the guys above him in this list would have dropped it like he did in France for example), if he can't get on top of that he's never going to be a champion so long as one of the above is in a competitive car.
6. Alonso - the old fox is as wily as ever and still has plenty of speed to back that up, but he has this incredible self-destructive streak out of the car and metaphorically speaking every time a light bulb blows he burns the house down and goes to live in the shed.
7. Sainz - Very fast, great racecraft, but he's prone to overdriving when he's on the back foot and makes silly mistakes. Also he's never seemed to quite shed that mid-field mentality and I don't know if I could see him stringing a championship campaign together.
8. Albon - since he (more or less) escaped the environment at Red Bull he's got his head on straight and pulled out some impressive performances in a not-at-all impressive Williams
9. Gasly - I'm putting him above Perez because I think his highest peaks are higher than Sergio can manage, even if Sergio manages to be more consistent. I'm also giving him a fair amount of slack here because he's been vacillating between anonymous and shoddy this year
10. Perez - There's a valid place in F1 for a solid journeyman, someone who is largely a safe pair of hands you can trust to bag consistent constructor points, and of all the journeymen currently there Perez is the best. Fast enough to not only get those points but also to bring himself into play as a strategic piece (particularly with his tire-preservation skills), the gap to Verstappen has increased since the car's handling swung more to Max's style than his own (not knocking RBR for that in the slightest BTW- the Max-spec car has a higher overall performance and you'd have to be an idiot not to want to give your main championship hope the best car you can)
2. Verstappen - He's undeniably a very special talent and incredibly, incredibly fast and makes very few errors - but he's not the perfect driver Christian Horner, Helmut Marko and David Coulthard would have us believe. His racecraft is dodgy as f
k, veering into outright dirty at points. He's shown signs of improvement and maturing this year but it's hard to say how well that will hold if he finds himself with his back up against the wall again so the jury is still out for me.3. Russell / Norris - I can't split them tbh, Russell has clearly shown himself to be the real-deal pace wise and his racecraft looks good. The rookie mistakes seem to have dried up but he's yet to find himself in a sustained high-pressure situation. Norris has gone from strength to strength and pulled off some incredible results in a midfield car, everyone focuses on the Ricciardo side of the equation but I don't think Lando gets enough credit. Rather than it being 100% that Dan has been "that bad" I think a fair portion of it is that Lando is "that good"
5. Leclerc - I reckon Charles is as fast as Verstappen/Norris/Russell and he's shown a cool headed crafty racecraft that I rate highly. But he still makes far too many rookie mistakes (none of the guys above him in this list would have dropped it like he did in France for example), if he can't get on top of that he's never going to be a champion so long as one of the above is in a competitive car.
6. Alonso - the old fox is as wily as ever and still has plenty of speed to back that up, but he has this incredible self-destructive streak out of the car and metaphorically speaking every time a light bulb blows he burns the house down and goes to live in the shed.
7. Sainz - Very fast, great racecraft, but he's prone to overdriving when he's on the back foot and makes silly mistakes. Also he's never seemed to quite shed that mid-field mentality and I don't know if I could see him stringing a championship campaign together.
8. Albon - since he (more or less) escaped the environment at Red Bull he's got his head on straight and pulled out some impressive performances in a not-at-all impressive Williams
9. Gasly - I'm putting him above Perez because I think his highest peaks are higher than Sergio can manage, even if Sergio manages to be more consistent. I'm also giving him a fair amount of slack here because he's been vacillating between anonymous and shoddy this year
10. Perez - There's a valid place in F1 for a solid journeyman, someone who is largely a safe pair of hands you can trust to bag consistent constructor points, and of all the journeymen currently there Perez is the best. Fast enough to not only get those points but also to bring himself into play as a strategic piece (particularly with his tire-preservation skills), the gap to Verstappen has increased since the car's handling swung more to Max's style than his own (not knocking RBR for that in the slightest BTW- the Max-spec car has a higher overall performance and you'd have to be an idiot not to want to give your main championship hope the best car you can)
KaraK said:
1. Hamilton - The most complete driver since Schumacher Snr, and while it's not the question I'd say LH and MSC sit in a bracket all of their own in the modern era. Only some uncharacteristic clumsy mistakes in the first half of the season last year and a butchering of the safety car rules cost him an 8th title.
2. Verstappen - He's undeniably a very special talent and incredibly, incredibly fast and makes very few errors - but he's not the perfect driver Christian Horner, Helmut Marko and David Coulthard would have us believe. His racecraft is dodgy as fk, veering into outright dirty at points. He's shown signs of improvement and maturing this year but it's hard to say how well that will hold if he finds himself with his back up against the wall again so the jury is still out for me.
3. Russell / Norris - I can't split them tbh, Russell has clearly shown himself to be the real-deal pace wise and his racecraft looks good. The rookie mistakes seem to have dried up but he's yet to find himself in a sustained high-pressure situation. Norris has gone from strength to strength and pulled off some incredible results in a midfield car, everyone focuses on the Ricciardo side of the equation but I don't think Lando gets enough credit. Rather than it being 100% that Dan has been "that bad" I think a fair portion of it is that Lando is "that good"
5. Leclerc - I reckon Charles is as fast as Verstappen/Norris/Russell and he's shown a cool headed crafty racecraft that I rate highly. But he still makes far too many rookie mistakes (none of the guys above him in this list would have dropped it like he did in France for example), if he can't get on top of that he's never going to be a champion so long as one of the above is in a competitive car.
6. Alonso - the old fox is as wily as ever and still has plenty of speed to back that up, but he has this incredible self-destructive streak out of the car and metaphorically speaking every time a light bulb blows he burns the house down and goes to live in the shed.
7. Sainz - Very fast, great racecraft, but he's prone to overdriving when he's on the back foot and makes silly mistakes. Also he's never seemed to quite shed that mid-field mentality and I don't know if I could see him stringing a championship campaign together.
8. Albon - since he (more or less) escaped the environment at Red Bull he's got his head on straight and pulled out some impressive performances in a not-at-all impressive Williams
9. Gasly - I'm putting him above Perez because I think his highest peaks are higher than Sergio can manage, even if Sergio manages to be more consistent. I'm also giving him a fair amount of slack here because he's been vacillating between anonymous and shoddy this year
10. Perez - There's a valid place in F1 for a solid journeyman, someone who is largely a safe pair of hands you can trust to bag consistent constructor points, and of all the journeymen currently there Perez is the best. Fast enough to not only get those points but also to bring himself into play as a strategic piece (particularly with his tire-preservation skills), the gap to Verstappen has increased since the car's handling swung more to Max's style than his own (not knocking RBR for that in the slightest BTW- the Max-spec car has a higher overall performance and you'd have to be an idiot not to want to give your main championship hope the best car you can)
That's a very good summary, I reckon. 2. Verstappen - He's undeniably a very special talent and incredibly, incredibly fast and makes very few errors - but he's not the perfect driver Christian Horner, Helmut Marko and David Coulthard would have us believe. His racecraft is dodgy as f
k, veering into outright dirty at points. He's shown signs of improvement and maturing this year but it's hard to say how well that will hold if he finds himself with his back up against the wall again so the jury is still out for me.3. Russell / Norris - I can't split them tbh, Russell has clearly shown himself to be the real-deal pace wise and his racecraft looks good. The rookie mistakes seem to have dried up but he's yet to find himself in a sustained high-pressure situation. Norris has gone from strength to strength and pulled off some incredible results in a midfield car, everyone focuses on the Ricciardo side of the equation but I don't think Lando gets enough credit. Rather than it being 100% that Dan has been "that bad" I think a fair portion of it is that Lando is "that good"
5. Leclerc - I reckon Charles is as fast as Verstappen/Norris/Russell and he's shown a cool headed crafty racecraft that I rate highly. But he still makes far too many rookie mistakes (none of the guys above him in this list would have dropped it like he did in France for example), if he can't get on top of that he's never going to be a champion so long as one of the above is in a competitive car.
6. Alonso - the old fox is as wily as ever and still has plenty of speed to back that up, but he has this incredible self-destructive streak out of the car and metaphorically speaking every time a light bulb blows he burns the house down and goes to live in the shed.
7. Sainz - Very fast, great racecraft, but he's prone to overdriving when he's on the back foot and makes silly mistakes. Also he's never seemed to quite shed that mid-field mentality and I don't know if I could see him stringing a championship campaign together.
8. Albon - since he (more or less) escaped the environment at Red Bull he's got his head on straight and pulled out some impressive performances in a not-at-all impressive Williams
9. Gasly - I'm putting him above Perez because I think his highest peaks are higher than Sergio can manage, even if Sergio manages to be more consistent. I'm also giving him a fair amount of slack here because he's been vacillating between anonymous and shoddy this year
10. Perez - There's a valid place in F1 for a solid journeyman, someone who is largely a safe pair of hands you can trust to bag consistent constructor points, and of all the journeymen currently there Perez is the best. Fast enough to not only get those points but also to bring himself into play as a strategic piece (particularly with his tire-preservation skills), the gap to Verstappen has increased since the car's handling swung more to Max's style than his own (not knocking RBR for that in the slightest BTW- the Max-spec car has a higher overall performance and you'd have to be an idiot not to want to give your main championship hope the best car you can)
If your talking whos has the best record over the last 10 years then obviously Hamilton but no way is he number 1 this season.
If I'm a team boss looking to put 2 drivers in a new team for next year I'd choose (in roughly this order)
Max
George Russell
Lando Norris
Charlie Leclerc
Lewis
Carlos Sainz
Albon
Alonso
Ocon
Perez
If I'm a team boss looking to put 2 drivers in a new team for next year I'd choose (in roughly this order)
Max
George Russell
Lando Norris
Charlie Leclerc
Lewis
Carlos Sainz
Albon
Alonso
Ocon
Perez
KaraK said:
1. Hamilton - The most complete driver since Schumacher Snr, and while it's not the question I'd say LH and MSC sit in a bracket all of their own in the modern era. Only some uncharacteristic clumsy mistakes in the first half of the season last year and a butchering of the safety car rules cost him an 8th title.
2. Verstappen - He's undeniably a very special talent and incredibly, incredibly fast and makes very few errors - but he's not the perfect driver Christian Horner, Helmut Marko and David Coulthard would have us believe. His racecraft is dodgy as fk, veering into outright dirty at points. He's shown signs of improvement and maturing this year but it's hard to say how well that will hold if he finds himself with his back up against the wall again so the jury is still out for me.
3. Russell / Norris - I can't split them tbh, Russell has clearly shown himself to be the real-deal pace wise and his racecraft looks good. The rookie mistakes seem to have dried up but he's yet to find himself in a sustained high-pressure situation. Norris has gone from strength to strength and pulled off some incredible results in a midfield car, everyone focuses on the Ricciardo side of the equation but I don't think Lando gets enough credit. Rather than it being 100% that Dan has been "that bad" I think a fair portion of it is that Lando is "that good"
5. Leclerc - I reckon Charles is as fast as Verstappen/Norris/Russell and he's shown a cool headed crafty racecraft that I rate highly. But he still makes far too many rookie mistakes (none of the guys above him in this list would have dropped it like he did in France for example), if he can't get on top of that he's never going to be a champion so long as one of the above is in a competitive car.
6. Alonso - the old fox is as wily as ever and still has plenty of speed to back that up, but he has this incredible self-destructive streak out of the car and metaphorically speaking every time a light bulb blows he burns the house down and goes to live in the shed.
7. Sainz - Very fast, great racecraft, but he's prone to overdriving when he's on the back foot and makes silly mistakes. Also he's never seemed to quite shed that mid-field mentality and I don't know if I could see him stringing a championship campaign together.
8. Albon - since he (more or less) escaped the environment at Red Bull he's got his head on straight and pulled out some impressive performances in a not-at-all impressive Williams
9. Gasly - I'm putting him above Perez because I think his highest peaks are higher than Sergio can manage, even if Sergio manages to be more consistent. I'm also giving him a fair amount of slack here because he's been vacillating between anonymous and shoddy this year
10. Perez - There's a valid place in F1 for a solid journeyman, someone who is largely a safe pair of hands you can trust to bag consistent constructor points, and of all the journeymen currently there Perez is the best. Fast enough to not only get those points but also to bring himself into play as a strategic piece (particularly with his tire-preservation skills), the gap to Verstappen has increased since the car's handling swung more to Max's style than his own (not knocking RBR for that in the slightest BTW- the Max-spec car has a higher overall performance and you'd have to be an idiot not to want to give your main championship hope the best car you can)
Solid assessment, nice 2. Verstappen - He's undeniably a very special talent and incredibly, incredibly fast and makes very few errors - but he's not the perfect driver Christian Horner, Helmut Marko and David Coulthard would have us believe. His racecraft is dodgy as f
k, veering into outright dirty at points. He's shown signs of improvement and maturing this year but it's hard to say how well that will hold if he finds himself with his back up against the wall again so the jury is still out for me.3. Russell / Norris - I can't split them tbh, Russell has clearly shown himself to be the real-deal pace wise and his racecraft looks good. The rookie mistakes seem to have dried up but he's yet to find himself in a sustained high-pressure situation. Norris has gone from strength to strength and pulled off some incredible results in a midfield car, everyone focuses on the Ricciardo side of the equation but I don't think Lando gets enough credit. Rather than it being 100% that Dan has been "that bad" I think a fair portion of it is that Lando is "that good"
5. Leclerc - I reckon Charles is as fast as Verstappen/Norris/Russell and he's shown a cool headed crafty racecraft that I rate highly. But he still makes far too many rookie mistakes (none of the guys above him in this list would have dropped it like he did in France for example), if he can't get on top of that he's never going to be a champion so long as one of the above is in a competitive car.
6. Alonso - the old fox is as wily as ever and still has plenty of speed to back that up, but he has this incredible self-destructive streak out of the car and metaphorically speaking every time a light bulb blows he burns the house down and goes to live in the shed.
7. Sainz - Very fast, great racecraft, but he's prone to overdriving when he's on the back foot and makes silly mistakes. Also he's never seemed to quite shed that mid-field mentality and I don't know if I could see him stringing a championship campaign together.
8. Albon - since he (more or less) escaped the environment at Red Bull he's got his head on straight and pulled out some impressive performances in a not-at-all impressive Williams
9. Gasly - I'm putting him above Perez because I think his highest peaks are higher than Sergio can manage, even if Sergio manages to be more consistent. I'm also giving him a fair amount of slack here because he's been vacillating between anonymous and shoddy this year
10. Perez - There's a valid place in F1 for a solid journeyman, someone who is largely a safe pair of hands you can trust to bag consistent constructor points, and of all the journeymen currently there Perez is the best. Fast enough to not only get those points but also to bring himself into play as a strategic piece (particularly with his tire-preservation skills), the gap to Verstappen has increased since the car's handling swung more to Max's style than his own (not knocking RBR for that in the slightest BTW- the Max-spec car has a higher overall performance and you'd have to be an idiot not to want to give your main championship hope the best car you can)
Presuming Ed said:
If your talking whos has the best record over the last 10 years then obviously Hamilton but no way is he number 1 this season.
If I'm a team boss looking to put 2 drivers in a new team for next year I'd choose (in roughly this order)
Max
George Russell
Lando Norris
Charlie Leclerc
Lewis
Carlos Sainz
Albon
Alonso
Ocon
Perez
Nope, it's far than just a statistical analysis otherwise there'd be no point in a poll. I'm interested in gut feel based on the drivers overall performance up to now (which naturally includes stats)If I'm a team boss looking to put 2 drivers in a new team for next year I'd choose (in roughly this order)
Max
George Russell
Lando Norris
Charlie Leclerc
Lewis
Carlos Sainz
Albon
Alonso
Ocon
Perez
trackdemon said:
Siao said:
I agree, the selection is rather limited!
Yep, soz about that. I'm not sure you can put more than 10 as it seems the default max, so naturally I just put in those I thought were the best 10 on the current grid....Zarco said:
Great poll btw.
Can we change it to list all the drivers and then pick 10? Might make sense then.
Yet 65 (at the time of this post) have voted? Peculiar.Can we change it to list all the drivers and then pick 10? Might make sense then.
The OP definitely asks which are the 10 best drivers currently in F1, then duly offers a poll of just 10 to choose from.
I bet I can guess what the 10 will be
oyster said:
Zarco said:
Great poll btw.
Can we change it to list all the drivers and then pick 10? Might make sense then.
Yet 65 (at the time of this post) have voted? Peculiar.Can we change it to list all the drivers and then pick 10? Might make sense then.
The OP definitely asks which are the 10 best drivers currently in F1, then duly offers a poll of just 10 to choose from.
I bet I can guess what the 10 will be
Zarco said:
oyster said:
Zarco said:
Great poll btw.
Can we change it to list all the drivers and then pick 10? Might make sense then.
Yet 65 (at the time of this post) have voted? Peculiar.Can we change it to list all the drivers and then pick 10? Might make sense then.
The OP definitely asks which are the 10 best drivers currently in F1, then duly offers a poll of just 10 to choose from.
I bet I can guess what the 10 will be
It's not like I could put any more than 10 in the list, so obviously I was going to put my personal 10.For the apparently hard of thinking, the voting system will (and has) created an order from the 10 listed. Geddit?
Performance only, as I see it right now;
1. Hamilton. The complete sportsman, no vices.
2. Verstappen. Probably as fast as anybody in qually and race.
3. Russell. Mr. consistent. Doesn't seem to do anything wrong.
4. Alonso. Just ridiculous tenacity. Defying gravity in P4 at 41 years. Not beating Ocon.
5. Norris. Nothing to fault. Bit hot & cold maybe.
6. Leclerc. Marked down severely for Paul Ricard. Reminds me of 2018 Verstappen.
7. Sainz. Solid. A points machine.
8. Ocon. Nothing to fault? Bit of a hot head.
9. Gasly. Marked down for lap 1 incidents.
10. Perez. The very best of the journeymen.
3rd to 6th and 7th to 9th are pretty much interchangeable IMO.
1. Hamilton. The complete sportsman, no vices.
2. Verstappen. Probably as fast as anybody in qually and race.
3. Russell. Mr. consistent. Doesn't seem to do anything wrong.
4. Alonso. Just ridiculous tenacity. Defying gravity in P4 at 41 years. Not beating Ocon.
5. Norris. Nothing to fault. Bit hot & cold maybe.
6. Leclerc. Marked down severely for Paul Ricard. Reminds me of 2018 Verstappen.
7. Sainz. Solid. A points machine.
8. Ocon. Nothing to fault? Bit of a hot head.
9. Gasly. Marked down for lap 1 incidents.
10. Perez. The very best of the journeymen.
3rd to 6th and 7th to 9th are pretty much interchangeable IMO.
trackdemon said:
Tbf Alonso has had 3 DNF this season to Estebans 1. His average is 4.5 per race he finishes, so giving him another 13/14 puts him well in front of Ocon... tbf Ocon had one DNF too, but Fernando would still be in front all things being equal.
So you're saying that edging Esteban Ocon is sufficient criteria to be the second best driver on the grid? Surely that makes Ocon third? trackdemon said:
Zarco said:
oyster said:
Zarco said:
Great poll btw.
Can we change it to list all the drivers and then pick 10? Might make sense then.
Yet 65 (at the time of this post) have voted? Peculiar.Can we change it to list all the drivers and then pick 10? Might make sense then.
The OP definitely asks which are the 10 best drivers currently in F1, then duly offers a poll of just 10 to choose from.
I bet I can guess what the 10 will be
It's not like I could put any more than 10 in the list, so obviously I was going to put my personal 10.For the apparently hard of thinking, the voting system will (and has) created an order from the 10 listed. Geddit?
Is it best currently or best historically of those currently in F1?
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