2021 Cost Cap Breaches

2021 Cost Cap Breaches

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Hol

7,376 posts

184 months

Thursday 24th November
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Teddy Lop said:
Hol said:
I am surprised that the parent company hasn’t yet stepped in and told the team to stop digging draper holes, given the repetitional damage to the brand globally.
What exactly is red bulls reputation? Serious question, I mean a lot of the grid and assoc sponsors get by trying to flog every more unecessary and ugly rubbish to people who try to believe they're socially conscious, so image is everything, but red bull??
Reputational damage is the concept of a brand name being tarnished by a negative ‘high profile event’ in the media.

Typically, at the corporate management level, any large institution, like a Bank, Fuel Company, or in this case a Beverage company will directly look to minimise the reputational risk of association with their brand name to the negative event.

Hence, as someone who works in that arena, I was surprised they hadnt attempted to close down the issue.

Edited by Hol on Thursday 24th November 07:13

PhilAsia

2,227 posts

59 months

Thursday 24th November
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Evercross said:
There certainly was the cheating by Red Bull to see here. It became very apparent.

What are you saying?

Let's say she did release the details, would you have rather they had been covered up? If you are, that speaks more about your mindset than hers.

If she was responsible, why did she release the details if the FIA were going to be transparent anyway? What prompted her to release details that were going to be released anyway?

Maybe I am wrong, but if there is cheating I want to know about it...I do not like cheating by anyone.




deadslow

7,493 posts

207 months

Thursday 24th November
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PhilAsia said:
Evercross said:
There certainly was the cheating by Red Bull to see here. It became very apparent.

What are you saying?

Let's say she did release the details, would you have rather they had been covered up? If you are, that speaks more about your mindset than hers.

If she was responsible, why did she release the details if the FIA were going to be transparent anyway? What prompted her to release details that were going to be released anyway?

Maybe I am wrong, but if there is cheating I want to know about it...I do not like cheating by anyone.
there was no cheating. Glad Wolff's mole has been binned for the good of the sport.

satfinal

2,513 posts

146 months

Thursday 24th November
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Has the leak been patched scratchchin

NRS

20,769 posts

185 months

Thursday 24th November
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deadslow said:
there was no cheating. Glad Wolff's mole has been binned for the good of the sport.
So what do you call breaking the rules?

sociopath

2,854 posts

50 months

Thursday 24th November
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PhilAsia said:
Evercross said:
There certainly was the cheating by Red Bull to see here. It became very apparent.

What are you saying?

Let's say she did release the details, would you have rather they had been covered up? If you are, that speaks more about your mindset than hers.

If she was responsible, why did she release the details if the FIA were going to be transparent anyway? What prompted her to release details that were going to be released anyway?

Maybe I am wrong, but if there is cheating I want to know about it...I do not like cheating by anyone.


let's not even mention Mercedes having the info to be able to have extra floor supports ready to go the day they were announced as a rule change.

Tommo87

3,439 posts

97 months

Thursday 24th November
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PhilAsia said:
Evercross said:
There certainly was the cheating by Red Bull to see here. It became very apparent.

What are you saying?

Let's say she did release the details, would you have rather they had been covered up? If you are, that speaks more about your mindset than hers.

If she was responsible, why did she release the details if the FIA were going to be transparent anyway? What prompted her to release details that were going to be released anyway?

Maybe I am wrong, but if there is cheating I want to know about it...I do not like cheating by anyone.
Oh, so Red Bull complained that she might be sympathetic to someone other than Red Bull.

How unsurprising.



Horner and RBR used to complain constantly that the other teams were critical of their dominance when they were winning in the Vettel years.

Then Horner had the unnatural hots for Mercedes when they were the ones who had the advantage.

Now we are back to the former.





HighwayStar

3,811 posts

128 months

Thursday 24th November
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deadslow said:
PhilAsia said:
Evercross said:
There certainly was the cheating by Red Bull to see here. It became very apparent.

What are you saying?

Let's say she did release the details, would you have rather they had been covered up? If you are, that speaks more about your mindset than hers.

If she was responsible, why did she release the details if the FIA were going to be transparent anyway? What prompted her to release details that were going to be released anyway?

Maybe I am wrong, but if there is cheating I want to know about it...I do not like cheating by anyone.
there was no cheating. Glad Wolff's mole has been binned for the good of the sport.


PhilAsia

2,227 posts

59 months

Thursday 24th November
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HighwayStar said:
deadslow said:
PhilAsia said:
Evercross said:
There certainly was the cheating by Red Bull to see here. It became very apparent.

What are you saying?

Let's say she did release the details, would you have rather they had been covered up? If you are, that speaks more about your mindset than hers.

If she was responsible, why did she release the details if the FIA were going to be transparent anyway? What prompted her to release details that were going to be released anyway?

Maybe I am wrong, but if there is cheating I want to know about it...I do not like cheating by anyone.
there was no cheating. Glad Wolff's mole has been binned for the good of the sport.
Shame the manipulation of the rules at AD and cost cap were not ruled on strictly enough for the historical integrity and good of the sport. Masi meme is warranted as usual for the troll...

PhilAsia

2,227 posts

59 months

Thursday 24th November
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NRS said:
deadslow said:
there was no cheating. Glad Wolff's mole has been binned for the good of the sport.
So what do you call breaking the rules?
Staying up past his 9pm bedtime? wink

MadCaptainJack

581 posts

24 months

Thursday 24th November
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NRS said:
So what do you call breaking the rules?
We call it a breach of the rules. We don't call it cheating unless it was done deliberately and dishonestly. The FIA has made it crystal clear that "there is no accusation or evidence that RBR has sought at any time to act in bad faith, dishonestly or in a fraudulent manner, nor has it wilfully concealed any information".

Therefore, RBR didn't cheat.

We've already been through this multiple times. You, jasandjules, and PhilAsia are just trolling now.

Stop it.

PhilAsia

2,227 posts

59 months

Thursday 24th November
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sociopath said:
PhilAsia said:
Evercross said:
There certainly was the cheating by Red Bull to see here. It became very apparent.

What are you saying?

Let's say she did release the details, would you have rather they had been covered up? If you are, that speaks more about your mindset than hers.

If she was responsible, why did she release the details if the FIA were going to be transparent anyway? What prompted her to release details that were going to be released anyway?

Maybe I am wrong, but if there is cheating I want to know about it...I do not like cheating by anyone.


let's not even mention Mercedes having the info to be able to have extra floor supports ready to go the day they were announced as a rule change.
Yes, it was one of the unfathomable marvels of the F1 2022 season. The major engineering miracle that came up with a length of metal fastened at two ends will be the most talked about game-changer for years to come.


What The Deuces

1,184 posts

8 months

Thursday 24th November
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PhilAsia said:
sociopath said:
PhilAsia said:
Evercross said:
There certainly was the cheating by Red Bull to see here. It became very apparent.

What are you saying?

Let's say she did release the details, would you have rather they had been covered up? If you are, that speaks more about your mindset than hers.

If she was responsible, why did she release the details if the FIA were going to be transparent anyway? What prompted her to release details that were going to be released anyway?

Maybe I am wrong, but if there is cheating I want to know about it...I do not like cheating by anyone.


let's not even mention Mercedes having the info to be able to have extra floor supports ready to go the day they were announced as a rule change.
Yes, it was one of the unfathomable marvels of the F1 2022 season. The major engineering miracle that came up with a length of metal fastened at two ends will be the most talked about game-changer for years to come.

If you are ever in the position one day Phil, you'll finally understand that its not about what you've got, it's where to put it to make it work.




Merc were clearly briefed, the other teams are just as clever and they didn't have solutions ready.

PhilAsia

2,227 posts

59 months

Thursday 24th November
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MadCaptainJack said:
NRS said:
So what do you call breaking the rules?
We call it a breach of the rules. We don't call it cheating unless it was done deliberately and dishonestly. The FIA has made it crystal clear that "there is no accusation or evidence that RBR has sought at any time to act in bad faith, dishonestly or in a fraudulent manner, nor has it wilfully concealed any information".

Therefore, RBR didn't cheat.

We've already been through this multiple times. You, jasandjules, and PhilAsia are just trolling now.

Stop it.
Glad you had inside knowledge that it was not deliberate. Take a look at Masi/AD/FIA decision for more of the same.

PhilAsia

2,227 posts

59 months

Thursday 24th November
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What The Deuces said:
PhilAsia said:
sociopath said:
PhilAsia said:
Evercross said:
There certainly was the cheating by Red Bull to see here. It became very apparent.

What are you saying?

Let's say she did release the details, would you have rather they had been covered up? If you are, that speaks more about your mindset than hers.

If she was responsible, why did she release the details if the FIA were going to be transparent anyway? What prompted her to release details that were going to be released anyway?

Maybe I am wrong, but if there is cheating I want to know about it...I do not like cheating by anyone.


let's not even mention Mercedes having the info to be able to have extra floor supports ready to go the day they were announced as a rule change.
Yes, it was one of the unfathomable marvels of the F1 2022 season. The major engineering miracle that came up with a length of metal fastened at two ends will be the most talked about game-changer for years to come.

If you are ever in the position one day Phil, you'll finally understand that its not about what you've got, it's where to put it to make it work.

Merc were clearly briefed, the other teams are just as clever and they didn't have solutions ready.
Of course it is about understanding where to put it. They were studying the subject more than anyone and probably enough not to make an arse of it like some others do.....What The Deuces.

Jasandjules

68,294 posts

213 months

Thursday 24th November
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MadCaptainJack said:
We call it a breach of the rules. We don't call it cheating unless it was done deliberately and dishonestly. The FIA has made it crystal clear that "there is no accusation or evidence that RBR has sought at any time to act in bad faith, dishonestly or in a fraudulent manner, nor has it wilfully concealed any information".

Therefore, RBR didn't cheat.

We've already been through this multiple times. You, jasandjules, and PhilAsia are just trolling now.

Stop it.
Not trolling - just noting the absurdity of your attempting to suggest the FIA is the bastion of truth and justice. I mean, I think some of us recall what happened last year and what the FIA did about it......

TriumphStag3.0V8

2,794 posts

65 months

Thursday 24th November
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PhilAsia said:
Harry H said:
MustangGT said:
Okay, I think we can agree to call them prolific winners this year by cheating. biggrin
made that more accurate for you
...and last year


Max, 2021 WDC

Don't do that, it will upset deadslow very much. He hates being reminded that that team he support with all his heart are prolific cheats.

rscott

13,710 posts

175 months

Thursday 24th November
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PhilAsia said:
What The Deuces said:
PhilAsia said:
sociopath said:
PhilAsia said:
Evercross said:
There certainly was the cheating by Red Bull to see here. It became very apparent.

What are you saying?

Let's say she did release the details, would you have rather they had been covered up? If you are, that speaks more about your mindset than hers.

If she was responsible, why did she release the details if the FIA were going to be transparent anyway? What prompted her to release details that were going to be released anyway?

Maybe I am wrong, but if there is cheating I want to know about it...I do not like cheating by anyone.


let's not even mention Mercedes having the info to be able to have extra floor supports ready to go the day they were announced as a rule change.
Yes, it was one of the unfathomable marvels of the F1 2022 season. The major engineering miracle that came up with a length of metal fastened at two ends will be the most talked about game-changer for years to come.

If you are ever in the position one day Phil, you'll finally understand that its not about what you've got, it's where to put it to make it work.

Merc were clearly briefed, the other teams are just as clever and they didn't have solutions ready.
Of course it is about understanding where to put it. They were studying the subject more than anyone and probably enough not to make an arse of it like some others do.....What The Deuces.
It's almost as if the team which had been asking FIA to make changes to address a problem with their car had gotten a quick fix ready, just in case FIA agreed.


PhilAsia

2,227 posts

59 months

Thursday 24th November
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rscott said:
PhilAsia said:
What The Deuces said:
PhilAsia said:
sociopath said:
PhilAsia said:
Evercross said:
There certainly was the cheating by Red Bull to see here. It became very apparent.

What are you saying?

Let's say she did release the details, would you have rather they had been covered up? If you are, that speaks more about your mindset than hers.

If she was responsible, why did she release the details if the FIA were going to be transparent anyway? What prompted her to release details that were going to be released anyway?

Maybe I am wrong, but if there is cheating I want to know about it...I do not like cheating by anyone.


let's not even mention Mercedes having the info to be able to have extra floor supports ready to go the day they were announced as a rule change.
Yes, it was one of the unfathomable marvels of the F1 2022 season. The major engineering miracle that came up with a length of metal fastened at two ends will be the most talked about game-changer for years to come.

If you are ever in the position one day Phil, you'll finally understand that its not about what you've got, it's where to put it to make it work.

Merc were clearly briefed, the other teams are just as clever and they didn't have solutions ready.
Of course it is about understanding where to put it. They were studying the subject more than anyone and probably enough not to make an arse of it like some others do.....What The Deuces.
It's almost as if the team which had been asking FIA to make changes to address a problem with their car had gotten a quick fix ready, just in case FIA agreed.
Yes, I agree. How did they have the time to mine and smelt the metals and fabricate the metal rods and fittings. Then there were the measure twice and cut once time constraints.

It is all too rocket science to make sense...

MustangGT

9,921 posts

264 months

Thursday 24th November
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MadCaptainJack said:
We call it a breach of the rules. We don't call it cheating unless it was done deliberately and dishonestly. The FIA has made it crystal clear that "there is no accusation or evidence that RBR has sought at any time to act in bad faith, dishonestly or in a fraudulent manner, nor has it wilfully concealed any information".

Therefore, RBR didn't cheat.

We've already been through this multiple times. You, jasandjules, and PhilAsia are just trolling now.

Stop it.
I see you still believe every press release made by the FIA. They say what they say to avoid tarnishing the reputation of F1, no more and no less than that. It is like being a politician.