2021 Cost Cap Breaches

2021 Cost Cap Breaches

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PhilAsia

3,697 posts

74 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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deadslow said:
PhilAsia said:
deadslow said:
PhilAsia said:
deadslow said:
I was once found to have broken a rule. I parked my car, but the rear wheel was (literally) one inch on a zig zag. I was not aware of this and had no intention of mis-parking. The rozzers stopped and gave me a £60.00 reminder to be more careful. I do not consider myself to be a criminal, nor to have tried to gain any unfair/illegal advantage. I just broke a rule, inadvertently.
You clearly do not know the rule. No bodywork should overhanging the parking restriction. With knowledge you can make informed decisions........like RB could have with cost cap practice. Capisci??

Without the knowledge I have now given you, you were just inadvertently ignorant, just as RBR were when they were offered the opportunity to be clever and use the cost cap practice.

Edited by PhilAsia on Thursday 24th November 18:09
I know the rule fine, chap wink

I parked my car illegally. I did not intend to do so, and did not consider that I had done so. But turns out I had, so paid a fine. The End. It's not complicated.
Clearly you did not know that with one inch of wheel on the zig zag you had "LITERALLY" one inch of wheel plus a further one foot(ish) MORE OF BODYWORK hanging illegally over the zig zag.

"...I parked my car, but the rear wheel was (literally) one inch on a zig zag. I was not aware of this and had no intention of mis-parking...."

Comprehension is not your best subbangheadject, is it?
no need to go out of your way to be unpleasant, chap. No-one is having a pop at you.
I was not being unpleasant, I was pointing out facts. But now you are deflecting. rolleyes


deadslow

7,962 posts

222 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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PhilAsia said:
I was not being unpleasant, I was pointing out facts. But now you are deflecting. rolleyes
ok, chum, you win hehe

deadslow

7,962 posts

222 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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Jasandjules said:
deadslow said:
yes, and the assistant checked everything and assured me I was ok, but unfortunately the rules were constantly changing, so I got caught out.
I would recommend you use a similar assistant as used by every other team who managed not to get caught out.
but no-one got caught out. They all submitted full audited accounts. No-one hid anything. There was simply a disagreement over expenses and it didn't amount to a hill of beans anyway.

paulguitar

23,108 posts

112 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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deadslow said:
simply a disagreement over expenses
Maybe a team should make a 3-litre engine and claim a 'disagreement about cubic capacity' when challenged.




Pickled

2,051 posts

142 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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PhilAsia said:
deadslow said:
I was once found to have broken a rule. I parked my car, but the rear wheel was (literally) one inch on a zig zag. I was not aware of this and had no intention of mis-parking. The rozzers stopped and gave me a £60.00 reminder to be more careful. I do not consider myself to be a criminal, nor to have tried to gain any unfair/illegal advantage. I just broke a rule, inadvertently.
You clearly do not know the rule. No bodywork should overhanging the parking restriction. With knowledge you can make informed decisions........like RB could have with cost cap practice. Capisci??

Without the knowledge I have now given you, you were just inadvertently ignorant, just as RBR were when they were offered the opportunity to be clever and use the cost cap practice.


NRS said:
RB clearly did it accidently. It's well known teams will skip practice sessions and pit stop practices in F1 for example, as practices give you no advantage.( biggrin ) It's perfectly understandable they'd skip the cost cap practice year too.rofl Of course that was ABSOLUTELY NOT because it would allow them to plead innocence on grey areas, because no one had flagged those particular ones to the FIA in the practice year...!
Not getting through...wall too thbangheadick!!


Edited by PhilAsia on Thursday 24th November 18:09
Parking on zigzags is actually an endorsable offence and you would have been given 3 points not just an FPN, ask me how I know…

PhilAsia

3,697 posts

74 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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deadslow said:
PhilAsia said:
I was not being unpleasant, I was pointing out facts. But now you are deflecting. rolleyes
ok, chum, you win hehe
I know. No problem, just give a scenario that works next time and we're all good. thumbup

deadslow

7,962 posts

222 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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paulguitar said:
deadslow said:
simply a disagreement over expenses
Maybe a team should make a 3-litre engine and claim a 'disagreement about cubic capacity' when challenged.
you'd probably need an accomplice inside the FIA to get away with that one; who's to say it's not been tried? wink

NRS

22,080 posts

200 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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deadslow said:
MarkwG said:
deadslow said:
heebeegeetee said:
deadslow said:
well, you may recall the FIA, who, unlike ourselves, possess all the facts, stated unequivocally that RB had been open, transparent and honest, obviously validating RB's assertion. Them's just the facts, lads. Sorry about that. smile
We don't know they're the facts, we only know what we've been told. Neither parties are especially trust worthy in my opinion.

Pleading ignorance is possibly the oldest defence in the book.

It is difficult to prove that RB deliberately cheated, but they've gamed the system imo and thus will be seen as cheats to a great many.
but no-one pleaded ignorance. They claim to have acted in good faith, and within the rules. The FIA state the same, ie RB were honest and truthful.

There was no cheating.
Yeah, just like Clinton didn't have sexual relations with that woman... methinks you protest too much...
no, not like that at all.

Clinton had to be dragged kicking and screaming.

The FIA/RB process has been open and honest. What part of it do you not understand? It seems like a very straightforward accounting disagreement, which is not at all uncommon.

Stirred up, of course, by Wolff and his FIA plant, into a frenzy. He should write for the Daily Mail. hehe
The FIA said there was no plant, therefore there was no plant as the FIA only ever tells the truth. In fact the person accused of being a plant was trying to get RB a lesser punishment according to the FIA.

heebeegeetee

28,598 posts

247 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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deadslow said:
yes, and the assistant checked everything and assured me I was ok, but unfortunately the rules were constantly changing, so I got caught out.
The rules on parking on zig-zags have never changed.

simon_harris

1,213 posts

33 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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deadslow said:
ok, chum, you win hehe
And managed it without cheating, unlike Red Bull…

deadslow

7,962 posts

222 months

Saturday 26th November 2022
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heebeegeetee said:
deadslow said:
yes, and the assistant checked everything and assured me I was ok, but unfortunately the rules were constantly changing, so I got caught out.
The rules on parking on zig-zags have never changed.
yes, but if you are parking as they are still painting the lines ........

deadslow

7,962 posts

222 months

Saturday 26th November 2022
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simon_harris said:
deadslow said:
ok, chum, you win hehe
And managed it without cheating, unlike Red Bull…
but you have to say this to a proper fanatic, otherwise they just go on and on and on and ....

PhilAsia

3,697 posts

74 months

Saturday 26th November 2022
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deadslow said:
simon_harris said:
deadslow said:
ok, chum, you win hehe
And managed it without cheating, unlike Red Bull…
but you have to say this to a proper fanatic, otherwise they just go on and on and on being correct ....
Oh dear....

I was prepared to just drop it, as I had proved my point that I know you were not aware of the law, as you mentioned your tyres on the line, not the overhanging bodywork.

Another thing I did not mention (to contain the conversation for the benefit of the thread) is that the law is there for the safety of pedestrians. Obscuring the sight lines leads me to suspect you are perhaps unable to consider pedestrian safety as well as not understanding the law you claimed to understand.

Drop the farce please..

deadslow

7,962 posts

222 months

Saturday 26th November 2022
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PhilAsia said:
deadslow said:
simon_harris said:
deadslow said:
ok, chum, you win hehe
And managed it without cheating, unlike Red Bull…
but you have to say this to a proper fanatic, otherwise they just go on and on and on being correct ....
Oh dear....

I was prepared to just drop it, as I had proved my point that I know you were not aware of the law, as you mentioned your tyres on the line, not the overhanging bodywork.

Another thing I did not mention (to contain the conversation for the benefit of the thread) is that the law is there for the safety of pedestrians. Obscuring the sight lines leads me to suspect you are perhaps unable to consider pedestrian safety as well as not understanding the law you claimed to understand.

Drop the farce please..
rofl oh dear, indeed rofl

NRS

22,080 posts

200 months

Saturday 26th November 2022
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deadslow said:
heebeegeetee said:
deadslow said:
yes, and the assistant checked everything and assured me I was ok, but unfortunately the rules were constantly changing, so I got caught out.
The rules on parking on zig-zags have never changed.
yes, but if you are parking as they are still painting the lines ........
When you parked there was a traffic warden there who you could have asked, everyone else seemed to have asked them, but you deliberately didn't ask to be able to claim you didn't know the rules.

Also you ignored the FIA saying there was no mole, so why do you accept their statement in one instance and not the other?

MustangGT

11,555 posts

279 months

Saturday 26th November 2022
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deadslow said:
they did act within the rules.
How can you make this ridiculous claim?

If they had indeed acted within the rules, no penalties would have been applied and this thread would not exist.

Are you being:

1) wilfully obtuse,
2) a troll,
3) or, do you actually believe what you post?

PhilAsia

3,697 posts

74 months

Saturday 26th November 2022
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MustangGT said:
deadslow said:
they did act within the rules.
How can you make this ridiculous claim?

If they had indeed acted within the rules, no penalties would have been applied and this thread would not exist.

Are you being:

1) wilfully obtuse,
2) a troll,
3) or, do you actually believe what you post?
He is dead s l o w. Understanding rules is not his strongpoint. See tyre/bodywork/zig-zags/ticketed/still-no-clue, sandwich short posts...

NRS

22,080 posts

200 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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All the worries about the Ex-Merc employee being a mole, and it's the FIA president who has a strong RB link instead, laugh He's even promised them more future wins too.

https://twitter.com/EdSpencer99/status/16013660900...

I wonder if the same people previously worried about the integrity and possible leaks to teams will be more worried about the FIA president being ex-RB and promising future wins? Particularly given recent championship decisions.

Piginapoke

4,736 posts

184 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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NRS said:
All the worries about the Ex-Merc employee being a mole, and it's the FIA president who has a strong RB link instead, laugh He's even promised them more future wins too.

https://twitter.com/EdSpencer99/status/16013660900...

I wonder if the same people previously worried about the integrity and possible leaks to teams will be more worried about the FIA president being ex-RB and promising future wins? Particularly given recent championship decisions.
That all just looked super awkward and lots of points being (badly) scored on stage

paulguitar

23,108 posts

112 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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NRS said:
All the worries about the Ex-Merc employee being a mole, and it's the FIA president who has a strong RB link instead, laugh He's even promised them more future wins too.

https://twitter.com/EdSpencer99/status/16013660900...

I wonder if the same people previously worried about the integrity and possible leaks to teams will be more worried about the FIA president being ex-RB and promising future wins? Particularly given recent championship decisions.
This is so awkward it's almost impossible to get through.

BTW today is one year to the day that Hamilton was robbed in Abu Dhabi.