Majority of F1 journalists seem to duck controversy?

Majority of F1 journalists seem to duck controversy?

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vaud

46,368 posts

139 months

Tuesday 1st November
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simon_harris said:
If they rock the boat then they get kicked out of the party - it really is that simple.
Not true.

Take Joe Saward - has written lots about the sport, including negatives about Liberty, FIA, etc and has never lost his pass. During the pandemic he was invited to every race as part of the bubble, and he's not attached to any major media group.

Sandpit Steve

7,359 posts

58 months

Tuesday 1st November
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ChocolateFrog said:
Don't they live under the threat of losing their access passes unless they're a really big name?
That certainly used to be threatened, when a certain Mr Ecclestone was in charge of the paddock passes.

Which places the onus on the really big names - waves at Martin Brundle - to speak up loudly and unequivocally when these things need saying.

ChocolateFrog

19,097 posts

157 months

Tuesday 1st November
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Brundle says the odd the thing but it's always off the cuff or as an aside.

Never seems to tackle a controversial subject head on.

Edited by ChocolateFrog on Wednesday 2nd November 00:25

jm doc

2,357 posts

216 months

Tuesday 1st November
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vaud said:
simon_harris said:
If they rock the boat then they get kicked out of the party - it really is that simple.
Not true.

Take Joe Saward - has written lots about the sport, including negatives about Liberty, FIA, etc and has never lost his pass. During the pandemic he was invited to every race as part of the bubble, and he's not attached to any major media group.
Well he was a complete joke after AD. Zero credibility. As does anyone journalist who continues to parrot the line that RB are desperately pushing at the moment. In the Times today CH going on about TD saying they had robbed Hamilton. He said Hamilton was robbed, but never said by RB. This was printed without any balance from the journalist who should have corrected this serious allegation against a fellow journalist.

HustleRussell

22,437 posts

144 months

Tuesday 1st November
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I feel like the Sky team, being very Brit-centric in makeup but broadcasting to so many English-speaking countries, have come in for a lot of criticism for being biased towards Brits over the years and basically tend to over-compensate for this nowadays.

aberdeeneuan

1,302 posts

162 months

Tuesday 1st November
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Matthew Syed in the Times isn’t mucking about. Linked to Twitter to avoid paywalls etc.

https://twitter.com/matthewsyed/status/15874892474...

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1,619 posts

100 months

Tuesday 1st November
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aberdeeneuan said:
Matthew Syed in the Times isn’t mucking about. Linked to Twitter to avoid paywalls etc.

https://twitter.com/matthewsyed/status/15874892474...
Well said

jm doc

2,357 posts

216 months

Tuesday 1st November
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aberdeeneuan said:
Matthew Syed in the Times isn’t mucking about. Linked to Twitter to avoid paywalls etc.

https://twitter.com/matthewsyed/status/15874892474...
If you can't read this someone has posted the entire article in the costcap thread.

Absolutely brilliant

aberdeeneuan

1,302 posts

162 months

Wednesday 2nd November
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aberdeeneuan said:
Matthew Syed in the Times isn’t mucking about. Linked to Twitter to avoid paywalls etc.

https://twitter.com/matthewsyed/status/15874892474...
This link will def avoid the paywall: https://archive.ph/jNXTl

ChocolateFrog

19,097 posts

157 months

Wednesday 2nd November
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HustleRussell said:
I feel like the Sky team, being very Brit-centric in makeup but broadcasting to so many English-speaking countries, have come in for a lot of criticism for being biased towards Brits over the years and basically tend to over-compensate for this nowadays.
There's a very easy solution to that for all these countries that moan Sky are biased.

ChocolateFrog

19,097 posts

157 months

Wednesday 2nd November
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aberdeeneuan said:
aberdeeneuan said:
Matthew Syed in the Times isn’t mucking about. Linked to Twitter to avoid paywalls etc.

https://twitter.com/matthewsyed/status/15874892474...
This link will def avoid the paywall: https://archive.ph/jNXTl
My God its so refreshing to see someone in the media actually say what we're all thinking.

PhilAsia

2,227 posts

59 months

Wednesday 2nd November
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aberdeeneuan said:
aberdeeneuan said:
Matthew Syed in the Times isn’t mucking about. Linked to Twitter to avoid paywalls etc.

https://twitter.com/matthewsyed/status/15874892474...
This link will def avoid the paywall: https://archive.ph/jNXTl
Excellent article. Could not agree more!!


Sandpit Steve

7,359 posts

58 months

Wednesday 2nd November
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Well said Matthew Syed. At least there’s some journalists left in this world who are prepared to be brutally honest.

AlmondGreen

43 posts

37 months

Wednesday 2nd November
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Sandpit Steve said:
Well said Matthew Syed. At least there’s some journalists left in this world who are prepared to be brutally honest.
Completely agree. By far the best piece I’ve seen written calling out Red Bull and Horner’s condescending attitudes and distortions of reality.

Hol

7,376 posts

184 months

Wednesday 2nd November
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vaud said:
simon_harris said:
If they rock the boat then they get kicked out of the party - it really is that simple.
Not true.

Take Joe Saward - has written lots about the sport, including negatives about Liberty, FIA, etc and has never lost his pass. During the pandemic he was invited to every race as part of the bubble, and he's not attached to any major media group.
That’s a good example of why I fail to see any problem if the journalist concerned is honest and telling the truth. Which Ted did in this place.

If people genuinely want don’t want to know the truth, because it will upset them, then that is their personal decision and they can do that. What they cannot do, is insist that we all follow their lead.

Hol

7,376 posts

184 months

Wednesday 2nd November
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HustleRussell said:
I feel like the Sky team, being very Brit-centric in makeup but broadcasting to so many English-speaking countries, have come in for a lot of criticism for being biased towards Brits over the years and basically tend to over-compensate for this nowadays.
In the 90’s I often found myself watching the live racing on RTL, and thought the same thing.
I very much doubt it has changed in modern times.

It would be totally pointless of me to criticise them for speaking in German and giving more air time to the German teams or German drivers, when that channels main subscribers are Germans.


LukeBrown66

3,182 posts

30 months

Wednesday 2nd November
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Sadly all national media in print or visual think the only reason vast amounts of people watch sport is nationalistic. It is because they think all sport is tribal in some way. And I am sure with certain sports they are correct. With all sports it will hold sway too,

Yes F1 can be that way, it is for a lot of people but not everyone, BT sport are exactly the same with MotoGP and there is probably data to back up the fact that a national rider doing well brings in numbers, but for vast swathes of people the racing is all that matters, not a Brit winning, that is nice, but it is not the motivation behind watching.

But media dumb everything down to the lowest common denominator and that is locals winning, it is drummed into reporters form an early age and really never leaves.

Perhaps the best comms I have heard is the Dorna feed for MotoGP, as there is no nationalism at all. This is what F1 needs, a comms team based within F1 not in Britain, Germany etc.

suffolk009

4,636 posts

149 months

Wednesday 2nd November
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There are very few journalists in F1. I forget who said it, but a good definition of journalism is that *your job to print whatever anybody is trying to hide - anything less is merely PR*.

Edited by suffolk009 on Wednesday 2nd November 09:59

MCBrowncoat

604 posts

130 months

Wednesday 2nd November
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suffolk009 said:
There are very few journalists in F1. I forget who said it, but a good definition of journalism is that *your job to print whatever anybody is try to hide - anything less is merely PR*.
Really? That sounds like something Paul McMullan would say

Quick google:

"Whatever a patron desires to get published is advertising; whatever he wants to keep out of the paper is news,” is the sentiment expressed in a little framed placard on the desk of L. E. Edwardson, day city editor of the Chicago Herald and Examiner

I can see how some journalists might interpret that in very undesirable ways.


Edited by MCBrowncoat on Wednesday 2nd November 09:47

pablo

17,041 posts

257 months

Wednesday 2nd November
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Ted Bull and their staff, wives, hangers-on need to be really careful how often and when they keep playing this mental health card. Nothing personal against Amanda Newey (Adrian is just a gun for hire really) but they really are a toxic bunch