Perez, The Elephant in the Room??
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carl_w said:
Stint mired behind Verstappen cost me second - Perez
https://racer.com/2022/11/20/stint-mired-behind-ve...
The suggestion is that Leclerc was able to look after his tyres better at the pace Perez was at behind Verstappen. Had Verstappen lapped more quickly, or however absurd it seems, had he allowed Perez past, Leclerc would have likely pushed harder and damaged his tyres more.https://racer.com/2022/11/20/stint-mired-behind-ve...
Basically Verstappen managed to f
k up the teams chance of a Driver Championship one-two on multiple levels and on multiple weekends. However, the point has been made elsewhere that Perez should have secured second in the championship earlier in the season with more podium finishes.Leithen said:
The suggestion is that Leclerc was able to look after his tyres better at the pace Perez was at behind Verstappen. Had Verstappen lapped more quickly, or however absurd it seems, had he allowed Perez past, Leclerc would have likely pushed harder and damaged his tyres more.
Basically Verstappen managed to fk up the teams chance of a Driver Championship one-two on multiple levels and on multiple weekends. However, the point has been made elsewhere that Perez should have secured second in the championship earlier in the season with more podium finishes.
Pretty much sums it up. In short, Perez isn't good enough and Verstappen is very good but a bit of a berk.Basically Verstappen managed to f
k up the teams chance of a Driver Championship one-two on multiple levels and on multiple weekends. However, the point has been made elsewhere that Perez should have secured second in the championship earlier in the season with more podium finishes.If the hypocrisy wasn't so blatant it would be laughable.
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1017831/1/why-didn-t...
Okaaaay...
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1017831/1/why-didn-t...
Verstappen said:
In the post-race press conference, Verstappen was asked if there was an instruction from Red Bull to hold Leclerc up to help Perez.
“No, there was not, but also that is quite a tricky call to make,” Verstappen said. “You also don't want to end up… of course, you can possibly block but is that fair racing? I think not the nicest way going out of the season, like that.
So it's OK to try to win a championship like that, but not ok to secure second for your team-mate like that.“No, there was not, but also that is quite a tricky call to make,” Verstappen said. “You also don't want to end up… of course, you can possibly block but is that fair racing? I think not the nicest way going out of the season, like that.
Okaaaay...
FNG said:
If the hypocrisy wasn't so blatant it would be laughable.
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1017831/1/why-didn-t...
Okaaaay...
Come on guys.....remembering things and bringing them up is not cricket. Move on... https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1017831/1/why-didn-t...
Verstappen said:
In the post-race press conference, Verstappen was asked if there was an instruction from Red Bull to hold Leclerc up to help Perez.
“No, there was not, but also that is quite a tricky call to make,” Verstappen said. “You also don't want to end up… of course, you can possibly block but is that fair racing? I think not the nicest way going out of the season, like that.
So it's OK to try to win a championship like that, but not ok to secure second for your team-mate like that.“No, there was not, but also that is quite a tricky call to make,” Verstappen said. “You also don't want to end up… of course, you can possibly block but is that fair racing? I think not the nicest way going out of the season, like that.
Okaaaay...
Ah!PhilAsia said:
Come on guys.....remembering things and bringing them up is not cricket. Move on...
As I recall, the reason you were pulled up about harking back to AD21 was because you were doing it in every single sodding thread, regardless whether it was relevant or not. Which isn’t the case here.
FNG said:
PhilAsia said:
Come on guys.....remembering things and bringing them up is not cricket. Move on...
As I recall, the reason you were pulled up about harking back to AD21 was because you were doing it in every single sodding thread, regardless whether it was relevant or not. Which isn’t the case here.
What The Deuces said:
Perez lost 2nd place by being utter turd for a number of races after Monaco, nothing to do with Max
I wouldn’t say he drove badly this year but to put the blame on his team mate for not getting second in the championship is absurd. Also I can’t recal any driver sacrificing his own race to help his number 2 team mate get higher up the championship before.
thiscocks said:
I wouldn’t say he drove badly this year but to put the blame on his team mate for not getting second in the championship is absurd.
Also I can’t recal any driver sacrificing his own race to help his number 2 team mate get higher up the championship before.
I remember some chappie went by the name Schumacher - maybe someones old man? - who wasnt above it. Noone bigpants I guess though.Also I can’t recal any driver sacrificing his own race to help his number 2 team mate get higher up the championship before.
Teddy Lop said:
thiscocks said:
I wouldn’t say he drove badly this year but to put the blame on his team mate for not getting second in the championship is absurd.
Also I can’t recal any driver sacrificing his own race to help his number 2 team mate get higher up the championship before.
I remember some chappie went by the name Schumacher - maybe someones old man? - who wasnt above it. Noone bigpants I guess though.Also I can’t recal any driver sacrificing his own race to help his number 2 team mate get higher up the championship before.
carl_w said:
hot metal said:
Also I can’t recal any driver sacrificing his own race to help his number 2 team mate get higher up the championship before.
Mansell gave up a win for Patrese in 92, I guess that just shows who he is.
My memory is hazy but didn't Coulthard gift Hakkinen his first win?Mansell gave up a win for Patrese in 92, I guess that just shows who he is.
AmoCS said:
Well that raised my eyebrows over my morning coffee. As I've just posted in the Ricciardo thread, I only thought that his appointment was as an insurance policy and to make Perez toe the line.Now having read that, could it be part of the reason Ricciardo was at first, reluctant to commit to any Red Bull deal (during the Abu Dhabi weekend) and then even yesterday, wasn't exactly the PR friendly excitable Aussy he normally is.
If he's been signed to basically shaft Perez, I can't imagine that sitting well with him for some reason.
In fact, considering his preference for taking a year out to get himself back where he wants to be, I don't think Ricciardo replacing Perez would be good for him full stop-especially under these circumstances.
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