Perez, The Elephant in the Room??

Perez, The Elephant in the Room??

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williamp

18,512 posts

257 months

Monday 21st November
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..so his team mate, then the RB B-team slowed him up...


Leithen

9,045 posts

251 months

Monday 21st November
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carl_w said:
Stint mired behind Verstappen cost me second - Perez

https://racer.com/2022/11/20/stint-mired-behind-ve...
The suggestion is that Leclerc was able to look after his tyres better at the pace Perez was at behind Verstappen. Had Verstappen lapped more quickly, or however absurd it seems, had he allowed Perez past, Leclerc would have likely pushed harder and damaged his tyres more.

Basically Verstappen managed to fk up the teams chance of a Driver Championship one-two on multiple levels and on multiple weekends. However, the point has been made elsewhere that Perez should have secured second in the championship earlier in the season with more podium finishes.

paulguitar

18,057 posts

97 months

Monday 21st November
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Leithen said:
The suggestion is that Leclerc was able to look after his tyres better at the pace Perez was at behind Verstappen. Had Verstappen lapped more quickly, or however absurd it seems, had he allowed Perez past, Leclerc would have likely pushed harder and damaged his tyres more.

Basically Verstappen managed to fk up the teams chance of a Driver Championship one-two on multiple levels and on multiple weekends. However, the point has been made elsewhere that Perez should have secured second in the championship earlier in the season with more podium finishes.
Pretty much sums it up. In short, Perez isn't good enough and Verstappen is very good but a bit of a berk.




What The Deuces

1,184 posts

8 months

Monday 21st November
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Perez lost 2nd place by being utter turd for a number of races after Monaco, nothing to do with Max

FNG

3,871 posts

208 months

Monday 21st November
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If the hypocrisy wasn't so blatant it would be laughable.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1017831/1/why-didn-t...

Verstappen said:
In the post-race press conference, Verstappen was asked if there was an instruction from Red Bull to hold Leclerc up to help Perez.

“No, there was not, but also that is quite a tricky call to make,” Verstappen said. “You also don't want to end up… of course, you can possibly block but is that fair racing? I think not the nicest way going out of the season, like that.
So it's OK to try to win a championship like that, but not ok to secure second for your team-mate like that.

Okaaaay...

PhilAsia

2,227 posts

59 months

Monday 21st November
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FNG said:
If the hypocrisy wasn't so blatant it would be laughable.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1017831/1/why-didn-t...

Verstappen said:
In the post-race press conference, Verstappen was asked if there was an instruction from Red Bull to hold Leclerc up to help Perez.

“No, there was not, but also that is quite a tricky call to make,” Verstappen said. “You also don't want to end up… of course, you can possibly block but is that fair racing? I think not the nicest way going out of the season, like that.
So it's OK to try to win a championship like that, but not ok to secure second for your team-mate like that.

Okaaaay...
Come on guys.....remembering things and bringing them up is not cricket. Move on... rolleyes

paulguitar

18,057 posts

97 months

Monday 21st November
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PhilAsia said:
Come on guys.....remembering things and bringing them up is not cricket. Move on... rolleyes
I think we're allowed to remember things on this thread.



PhilAsia

2,227 posts

59 months

Monday 21st November
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paulguitar said:
PhilAsia said:
Come on guys.....remembering things and bringing them up is not cricket. Move on... rolleyes
I think we're allowed to remember things on this thread.
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FNG

3,871 posts

208 months

Monday 21st November
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PhilAsia said:
Come on guys.....remembering things and bringing them up is not cricket. Move on... rolleyes
As I recall, the reason you were pulled up about harking back to AD21 was because you were doing it in every single sodding thread, regardless whether it was relevant or not.

Which isn’t the case here.

PhilAsia

2,227 posts

59 months

Monday 21st November
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FNG said:
PhilAsia said:
Come on guys.....remembering things and bringing them up is not cricket. Move on... rolleyes
As I recall, the reason you were pulled up about harking back to AD21 was because you were doing it in every single sodding thread, regardless whether it was relevant or not.

Which isn’t the case here.
Nope. Just some people who did not like being reminded hovering...

thiscocks

2,973 posts

179 months

Monday 21st November
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What The Deuces said:
Perez lost 2nd place by being utter turd for a number of races after Monaco, nothing to do with Max
I wouldn’t say he drove badly this year but to put the blame on his team mate for not getting second in the championship is absurd.

Also I can’t recal any driver sacrificing his own race to help his number 2 team mate get higher up the championship before.

Teddy Lop

6,930 posts

51 months

Tuesday 22nd November
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thiscocks said:
I wouldn’t say he drove badly this year but to put the blame on his team mate for not getting second in the championship is absurd.

Also I can’t recal any driver sacrificing his own race to help his number 2 team mate get higher up the championship before.
I remember some chappie went by the name Schumacher - maybe someones old man? - who wasnt above it. Noone bigpants I guess though.

What The Deuces

1,184 posts

8 months

Tuesday 22nd November
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Teddy Lop said:
thiscocks said:
I wouldn’t say he drove badly this year but to put the blame on his team mate for not getting second in the championship is absurd.

Also I can’t recal any driver sacrificing his own race to help his number 2 team mate get higher up the championship before.
I remember some chappie went by the name Schumacher - maybe someones old man? - who wasnt above it. Noone bigpants I guess though.
You have to be able to match your team mates pace for those kind of things to happen, if you're 20 seconds down the road it's a bit more tricky. This is not the same as Reubens cruising round on MS's gearbox then swapping.


hot metal

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1,895 posts

177 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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Also I can’t recal any driver sacrificing his own race to help his number 2 team mate get higher up the championship before.

Mansell gave up a win for Patrese in 92, I guess that just shows who he is.

carl_w

8,247 posts

242 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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hot metal said:
Also I can’t recal any driver sacrificing his own race to help his number 2 team mate get higher up the championship before.

Mansell gave up a win for Patrese in 92, I guess that just shows who he is.
My memory is hazy but didn't Coulthard gift Hakkinen his first win?

Pflanzgarten

1,489 posts

9 months

Thursday 24th November
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Senna gifted Berger one. Hamilton let Bottas through in Hungary to get on the podium, Schumacher effectively gave barichello one at Indy when he tried to stage the dead heat finish.

AmoCS

1,080 posts

203 months

PhilAsia

2,227 posts

59 months

Thursday 24th November
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carl_w said:
hot metal said:
Also I can’t recal any driver sacrificing his own race to help his number 2 team mate get higher up the championship before.

Mansell gave up a win for Patrese in 92, I guess that just shows who he is.
My memory is hazy but didn't Coulthard gift Hakkinen his first win?
Mine is too, but I think it was something to do with whoever got through T1 in 1st place would not be challenged? I know I thought it one of their races was odd, in that they decided what would happen prior to the race. A gimme.

Pflanzgarten

1,489 posts

9 months

Thursday 24th November
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AmoCS said:
Well that raised my eyebrows over my morning coffee. As I've just posted in the Ricciardo thread, I only thought that his appointment was as an insurance policy and to make Perez toe the line.

Now having read that, could it be part of the reason Ricciardo was at first, reluctant to commit to any Red Bull deal (during the Abu Dhabi weekend) and then even yesterday, wasn't exactly the PR friendly excitable Aussy he normally is.

If he's been signed to basically shaft Perez, I can't imagine that sitting well with him for some reason.

In fact, considering his preference for taking a year out to get himself back where he wants to be, I don't think Ricciardo replacing Perez would be good for him full stop-especially under these circumstances.

wolfie1978

433 posts

148 months

Thursday 24th November
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carl_w said:
My memory is hazy but didn't Coulthard gift Hakkinen his first win?
It was his second win, Villeneuve gifted him his first at Jerez the year before