Perez, The Elephant in the Room??
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blueg33 said:
Supersam83 said:
2024 so far:
Race Wins:
Max - 7 wins
Lando - 2 wins
Leclerc - 2 wins
Piastri - 1 win
Sainz Jr - 1 win
Hamilton - 2 wins
Perez - 0 wins
Russell - 1 win
The only driver in the top 4 teams to have not won a race this season...
Is his brief to win?Race Wins:
Max - 7 wins
Lando - 2 wins
Leclerc - 2 wins
Piastri - 1 win
Sainz Jr - 1 win
Hamilton - 2 wins
Perez - 0 wins
Russell - 1 win
The only driver in the top 4 teams to have not won a race this season...
You'd think that with the dominance that Red Bull had, at least up to Miami in May this year, he'd have picked up a win or two regardless of his brief.
Muzzer79 said:
He's not won since April last year, in Baku.
You'd think that with the dominance that Red Bull had, at least up to Miami in May this year, he'd have picked up a win or two regardless of his brief.
I am probably wrong, but I suspect MV likes having a team mate who isn't close to him. It basically polishes his egoYou'd think that with the dominance that Red Bull had, at least up to Miami in May this year, he'd have picked up a win or two regardless of his brief.
blueg33 said:
I am probably wrong, but I suspect MV likes having a team mate who isn't close to him. It basically polishes his ego
The trouble is this was fine all the while the Red Bull was easily the best car and winning most weekends. Now Perez is a liability and has already cost them the constructors championship in reality.Max now has to fight off all the other teams on his own who all have two drivers good enough to score decent points each race.
Even the drivers championship could be way closer than they liked if Max has any issues over the remaining races.
ThingsBehindTheSun said:
Even the drivers championship could be way closer than they liked if Max has any issues over the remaining races.
Max hasn't done well at Singapore recently when they had a good car (7th in 22, 5th in 23), now that they don't have a good car, Singapore could be very embarrassing for them, maybe struggling to score points.Dbag101 said:
As long as Slim is bankrolling Checo, RB wouldn’t dare move him on. He’s proving how useless / inconsistent he is, with his performances. It must be doing Marko’s head in. Commercially, he can’t get rid of him, but he ( Checo ) is not doing anything worthwhile for the team
The money Perez brings pays for Max (or a very large proportion of Max's contracted value).The impact of Perez on F1 in Mexico cannot be understated either. I would imagine there is a lot of pressure from Liberty to keep him in RB. I would say that this is the reason he remains at Red Bull far more than the money he brings to the team.
A cynic might even suggest that the more favourable application of rules to Red Bull are in some way connected to the pressure bestowed upon them to retain Perez.
StevieBee said:
Dbag101 said:
As long as Slim is bankrolling Checo, RB wouldn’t dare move him on. He’s proving how useless / inconsistent he is, with his performances. It must be doing Marko’s head in. Commercially, he can’t get rid of him, but he ( Checo ) is not doing anything worthwhile for the team
The money Perez brings pays for Max (or a very large proportion of Max's contracted value).The impact of Perez on F1 in Mexico cannot be understated either. I would imagine there is a lot of pressure from Liberty to keep him in RB. I would say that this is the reason he remains at Red Bull far more than the money he brings to the team.
A cynic might even suggest that the more favourable application of rules to Red Bull are in some way connected to the pressure bestowed upon them to retain Perez.
You feel Sergio may be a bit addicted to the fight through the field. Its the sort of thing that brings big cheers every lap.
Just circulating in say, 5th to the end would make the crowd snooze.
So a bit of a crowd pleaser , but I do recall he binned it quiet early in a previous mexico race so I hope he doesnt do that.
It may seem a bit odd the crowd is so fanatical but its worth remembering the full story.
He did ok at his other teams,winning,podiums, and then got dropped. Landed at Red bull and has won a few races.
Bundles more career highlights than pretty much every professional gob on sky and F1 tv.
The crowd seem to love the highs following the lows.
Meanwhile in the USA ,UK and europe people tick of a statistic card in a cold and emotionless fashion and spend time quoting statistics in a joyless game of oneupmanship lol.
Just circulating in say, 5th to the end would make the crowd snooze.
So a bit of a crowd pleaser , but I do recall he binned it quiet early in a previous mexico race so I hope he doesnt do that.
It may seem a bit odd the crowd is so fanatical but its worth remembering the full story.
He did ok at his other teams,winning,podiums, and then got dropped. Landed at Red bull and has won a few races.
Bundles more career highlights than pretty much every professional gob on sky and F1 tv.
The crowd seem to love the highs following the lows.
Meanwhile in the USA ,UK and europe people tick of a statistic card in a cold and emotionless fashion and spend time quoting statistics in a joyless game of oneupmanship lol.
PhilAsia said:
Hub said:
RB will most likely be third in the constructors' after this weekend...
Doesn't that begin to cost them money?
Red Bull probably want 3rd. More wind tunnel time, and the bonuses to staff who lose out can be sorted with little brown envelopes.Doesn't that begin to cost them money?
Perez is still there for the simple reason that they have nobody else better to replace him. If Lawson proves himself, he’ll be in for 2025.
Williams or Haas keep underperforming drivers for commercial reasons. Top teams like Red Bull don’t.
Muzzer79 said:
You don’t become one of only two teams to win the WCC in the last 14 years by “wanting 3rd”
Perez is still there for the simple reason that they have nobody else better to replace him. If Lawson proves himself, he’ll be in for 2025.
Williams or Haas keep underperforming drivers for commercial reasons. Top teams like Red Bull don’t.
Thankfully I think we can finally take Williams off that list. Perez is still there for the simple reason that they have nobody else better to replace him. If Lawson proves himself, he’ll be in for 2025.
Williams or Haas keep underperforming drivers for commercial reasons. Top teams like Red Bull don’t.
Why do people keep saying the Mexican market is too important to drop him? He's only got a couple of years left in him at best anyway, and then no more Mexican driver in F1. So what? He's had his time in the spotlight, won a few races, but is no longer cutting it. Get rid of him and put someone else in from a different minority (in F1 terms) country, and develop a new fanbase in a new country.
thegreenhell said:
Why do people keep saying the Mexican market is too important to drop him? He's only got a couple of years left in him at best anyway, and then no more Mexican driver in F1. So what? He's had his time in the spotlight, won a few races, but is no longer cutting it. Get rid of him and put someone else in from a different minority (in F1 terms) country, and develop a new fanbase in a new country.
I agree and would love to see Collapinto in that car next year he’s done enough already to deserve booting Perez out asap ideally before the end of the year at this rate he’s going to cost them 2nd in the constructors that’s a huge chunk of ££.thegreenhell said:
Why do people keep saying the Mexican market is too important to drop him? He's only got a couple of years left in him at best anyway, and then no more Mexican driver in F1. So what? He's had his time in the spotlight, won a few races, but is no longer cutting it. Get rid of him and put someone else in from a different minority (in F1 terms) country, and develop a new fanbase in a new country.
I don't think anyone has said that the Mexican market is particularly important.The Spanish speaking market however, that's a big deal. But it's a benefit, one of many factors that are weighed up when choosing a driver. It's not going to 'save' him, but it's likely a factor that has strung out his tenure at RBR.
There are other explanations to the gap between Verstappen and Perez other than Perez being a donkey.
Maybe he is in a car with designed purely around Verstappen, maybe Red Bull are using the number 2 car to accumulate testing data rather than trying to maximise results. Most drivers would look like they are underperforming in that circumstance.
Also it seems most people on this subforum are quite anti-Verstappen, they would much rather explain the gap as Perez underperforming rather than Verstappen outperforming the car
Maybe he is in a car with designed purely around Verstappen, maybe Red Bull are using the number 2 car to accumulate testing data rather than trying to maximise results. Most drivers would look like they are underperforming in that circumstance.
Also it seems most people on this subforum are quite anti-Verstappen, they would much rather explain the gap as Perez underperforming rather than Verstappen outperforming the car
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