Hulk to Haas

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trackdemon

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11,570 posts

245 months

Thursday 17th November
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No surprise that Mick hasn't retained the seat, he's not shown much improvement in his couple of years and the repair bills can't help in a team that the budget cap doesn't trouble. I like Nico, safe pair of hands, but still a shame not to see a junior getting a chance in a lower end team like so many of the greats have done before on their way to the top....

Mark-C

3,878 posts

189 months

Thursday 17th November
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Some chat about that in the 2023 thread --> https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...thumbup

Jasandjules

68,294 posts

213 months

Thursday 17th November
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trackdemon said:
No surprise that Mick hasn't retained the seat, he's not shown much improvement in his couple of years and the repair bills can't help in a team that the budget cap doesn't trouble. I like Nico, safe pair of hands, but still a shame not to see a junior getting a chance in a lower end team like so many of the greats have done before on their way to the top....
I think you hit the nail on the head though on both counts. They need a safe pair of hands who will hopefully not crash. That will be a budget question.

A junior may crash, a lot.....

thegreenhell

11,770 posts

203 months

Thursday 17th November
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Thing is, there aren't really any lower end teams like that anymore. There's the big three and then the rest, all of whom are fighting over the midfield points and prizes. The prizes on offer these days are so big they need a solid points scorer. It's not like the old days when you had the likes of Minardi or Forti, or more recently Caterham or Marussia, who were never going to trouble the scorers so it didn't really matter if you had a pay driver or someone straight out of nursery learning the ropes. They just can't afford to do that now. Solid midfield teams need solid drivers.

Fundoreen

3,434 posts

67 months

Thursday 17th November
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The solution is only one car in a team can score constructors points. That way the likes of mercedes, ferrari and red bull could put a rookie right in the 2nd car and so what if he smashes it up as they have the resources to work all night to fix it.
Also being told to just follow orders and let the unhinged main driver past would not be such a big deal.
When the rookie is up to non-crash speed he can go to a haas or williams,for instance. Or stay on if any good.

trackdemon

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11,570 posts

245 months

Thursday 17th November
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Jasandjules said:
trackdemon said:
No surprise that Mick hasn't retained the seat, he's not shown much improvement in his couple of years and the repair bills can't help in a team that the budget cap doesn't trouble. I like Nico, safe pair of hands, but still a shame not to see a junior getting a chance in a lower end team like so many of the greats have done before on their way to the top....
I think you hit the nail on the head though on both counts. They need a safe pair of hands who will hopefully not crash. That will be a budget question.

A junior may crash, a lot.....
Plus, if I understand correctly, I believe part of the Haas sponsorship package dictates the need for a German driver. Nico ticks a lot of boxes, hope he can do well. Might be fun if some fireworks kick of between him and Kevin - 'suck my balls' springs to mind rofl

trackdemon

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11,570 posts

245 months

Thursday 17th November
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thegreenhell said:
Thing is, there aren't really any lower end teams like that anymore. There's the big three and then the rest, all of whom are fighting over the midfield points and prizes. The prizes on offer these days are so big they need a solid points scorer. It's not like the old days when you had the likes of Minardi or Forti, or more recently Caterham or Marussia, who were never going to trouble the scorers so it didn't really matter if you had a pay driver or someone straight out of nursery learning the ropes. They just can't afford to do that now. Solid midfield teams need solid drivers.
Yeah I recognize that there's no equivalent to Minardi etc any more, but Haas & Williams are de facto the last two spots so if anyone were to take on a junior you'd think it'd be them. Perhaps there's just nobody good enough (and with enough sponsorship) to make that step.

95 fiesta si

1,600 posts

136 months

Thursday 17th November
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shame for Mick but the Hulk defo deserves a seat in F1

MustangGT

9,921 posts

264 months

Friday 18th November
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95 fiesta si said:
shame for Mick but the Hulk defo deserves a seat in F1
Exactly what has he achieved in F1 to date?

Actually I think he will be good for Haas, he is dependable, provides good feedback etc.

But not an achiever in F1. I believe he is much better suited to other formulae based on his success outside of F1.

thegreenhell

11,770 posts

203 months

Friday 18th November
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MustangGT said:
Exactly what has he achieved in F1 to date?

Actually I think he will be good for Haas, he is dependable, provides good feedback etc.

But not an achiever in F1. I believe he is much better suited to other formulae based on his success outside of F1.
What has Haas achieved in F1 to date? Actually, Haas and Hulk have very similar records in F1 - one lucky pole (both at Interlagos), two fastest laps, no podiums, best finish 4th, and a few missed opportunities for better results. They're a perfect fit for each other!

Smollet

8,544 posts

174 months

Friday 18th November
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Sadly with Mick, the apple fell a long long way from the tree.

trackdemon

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11,570 posts

245 months

Friday 18th November
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MustangGT said:
95 fiesta si said:
shame for Mick but the Hulk defo deserves a seat in F1
Exactly what has he achieved in F1 to date?

Actually I think he will be good for Haas, he is dependable, provides good feedback etc.

But not an achiever in F1. I believe he is much better suited to other formulae based on his success outside of F1.
I'm not sure he's ever had the kit to really deliver a sustained pitch at podiums. He may not be Hamilton/Verstappen quality in pure speed but he's a very good, and crucially, reliable driver. Probably just what Haas need, mirroring the KM/RG years (even though RG dropped it occasionally!)

PhilAsia

2,227 posts

59 months

Friday 18th November
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trackdemon said:
MustangGT said:
95 fiesta si said:
shame for Mick but the Hulk defo deserves a seat in F1
Exactly what has he achieved in F1 to date?

Actually I think he will be good for Haas, he is dependable, provides good feedback etc.

But not an achiever in F1. I believe he is much better suited to other formulae based on his success outside of F1.
I'm not sure he's ever had the kit to really deliver a sustained pitch at podiums. He may not be Hamilton/Verstappen quality in pure speed but he's a very good, and crucially, reliable driver. Probably just what Haas need, mirroring the KM/RG years (even though RG dropped it occasionally!)
Yep. I think they have gone for the "safe hands"/"feedback from experience" approach.

Piginapoke

3,993 posts

169 months

Saturday 19th November
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I think Haas feel they left a lot of points on the table this year and want 2 experienced campaigners in 2023. There’s money to be made now in F1!

Jasandjules

68,294 posts

213 months

Saturday 19th November
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Piginapoke said:
I think Haas feel they left a lot of points on the table this year and want 2 experienced campaigners in 2023. There’s money to be made now in F1!
All they have to do is spend a bit more than the cost cap, the penalty will be less than the prize money won.

mat205125

17,055 posts

197 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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Great to see Hulk and KMag in F1, however you have to wonder how this fits for the future of Haas.

Two good and dependable drivers in a good car is a recipe for mid-field mediocrity at best ..... Where's the aspiration

mw88

1,291 posts

95 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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mat205125 said:
Great to see Hulk and KMag in F1, however you have to wonder how this fits for the future of Haas.

Two good and dependable drivers in a good car is a recipe for mid-field mediocrity at best ..... Where's the aspiration
I think Gene Haas has mentioned before there's no expectation of winning World Championships in F1.

Haas is there purely to promote Haas Automation. With a few sponsors, a competitive midfield car, the budget cap and now a driver who isn't ripping cars in half I think there's probably minimal cash coming from Gene.

Milkyway

5,714 posts

37 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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Just because you inherit a name... no guarantees that they will succeed in F1.

( D.Brabham, B.Senna, N.Piquet Jr, M.Schumacher... to name but a few).




Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 23 November 13:25

Piginapoke

3,993 posts

169 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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Milkyway said:
Just because you inherit a name... no guarantees that they will succeed in F1.

( G. Brabham, B,Senna, N,Piquet Jr, M.Schumacher... to name but a few).
Hill, Rosberg, Villeneuve….