Will Aston emerge as a winner this season?
Discussion
C Lee Farquar said:
TheDeuce said:
Will they win? Nope. Do they care? Well the team members surely do but I think for the shareholders, it's a nice to have but by no means important or expected.
It's a fair point that Force India could prove a decent investment but I suspect an egotistical billionaire bully would treasure results on the track above financial reward?Endless effectively free advertising for his also owned stake in AM? Why we he ever not want to maintain that even if the results on track aren't spectacular. In fairness I do believe he's very passionate so I'm sure he will want to win and aim for that. But whatever happens he's a on perfect win-win in financial terms. The millions lost at AM to sponsor the team come back to him in terms of the same millions of revenue to the team that he also owns! It's just hunting money from one entity he owns to another...
And Astons have never really been sold due to outright performance so the F1 results won't nullify the value of having the brand splashed around F1 coverage. In the same way as a Rolex watch can't win a GP or perform better than a cheap Casio watch - but they find value in being officially part of the show.
If anything is going to save AM at this point in time I can't think of anything better than F1. The 60 years+ crowd that tend to buy them will like the fact they're driving a car from a firm that 'fields an F1 team', even if that's technically b
ks. In the same way they like the fact that James Bond, a fictional character, drives one.ajprice said:
ajprice said:
vaud said:
ajprice said:
Alonso will rag the car within an inch of its life though, way ahead of Stroll Jr.
Alonso to out qualify Stroll in every race?
TheDeuce said:
ajprice said:
ajprice said:
vaud said:
ajprice said:
Alonso will rag the car within an inch of its life though, way ahead of Stroll Jr.
Alonso to out qualify Stroll in every race?He has been in it long enough he is ok. With a notable exception in the wet where he seems to be above average.
vulture1 said:
TheDeuce said:
ajprice said:
ajprice said:
vaud said:
ajprice said:
Alonso will rag the car within an inch of its life though, way ahead of Stroll Jr.
Alonso to out qualify Stroll in every race?He has been in it long enough he is ok. With a notable exception in the wet where he seems to be above average.
It's interesting in a way to see how unlimited experience can bring real improvement in talent, and he's obviously taken it seriously and applied himself to learning. But..if you need all that time to achieve average, it's probably about as good as you can ever become.
Lol i love how some of you hate lance so much.
Its as if you think that everyone on that grid didn't have huge budgets as kids, support through the lower ranks. Every single one of them did, does it matter if it was vodafone, carlos slim or dad chucking in the cash?
Ok stroll isn't George Russell, but he's a lot better than sirotkin, that other russian ebezzlement bloke, latifi, etc etc.
Meanwhile, the much hated "pay driver" and his dad (who you also seem to hate) stopped a team failing, and have kept it on the grid (and not at the back, either). What is to dislike about that? He's even gone and bought a car company to give it a good name (coz racing point was naff), and from what i've read so far, his fortune doesnt come from dodgyness (russian oil money, indian empires of embezzlement, various italian fraud on big boats, etc etc).
Tl;dr? Average on the f1 grid would be winning elsewhere, he must be able to steer..
Its as if you think that everyone on that grid didn't have huge budgets as kids, support through the lower ranks. Every single one of them did, does it matter if it was vodafone, carlos slim or dad chucking in the cash?
Ok stroll isn't George Russell, but he's a lot better than sirotkin, that other russian ebezzlement bloke, latifi, etc etc.
Meanwhile, the much hated "pay driver" and his dad (who you also seem to hate) stopped a team failing, and have kept it on the grid (and not at the back, either). What is to dislike about that? He's even gone and bought a car company to give it a good name (coz racing point was naff), and from what i've read so far, his fortune doesnt come from dodgyness (russian oil money, indian empires of embezzlement, various italian fraud on big boats, etc etc).
Tl;dr? Average on the f1 grid would be winning elsewhere, he must be able to steer..
Some Gump said:
Lol i love how some of you hate lance so much.
Its as if you think that everyone on that grid didn't have huge budgets as kids, support through the lower ranks. Every single one of them did, does it matter if it was vodafone, carlos slim or dad chucking in the cash?
Ok stroll isn't George Russell, but he's a lot better than sirotkin, that other russian ebezzlement bloke, latifi, etc etc.
Meanwhile, the much hated "pay driver" and his dad (who you also seem to hate) stopped a team failing, and have kept it on the grid (and not at the back, either). What is to dislike about that? He's even gone and bought a car company to give it a good name (coz racing point was naff), and from what i've read so far, his fortune doesnt come from dodgyness (russian oil money, indian empires of embezzlement, various italian fraud on big boats, etc etc).
Tl;dr? Average on the f1 grid would be winning elsewhere, he must be able to steer..
We were discussing ability. Where did you get hate from...?Its as if you think that everyone on that grid didn't have huge budgets as kids, support through the lower ranks. Every single one of them did, does it matter if it was vodafone, carlos slim or dad chucking in the cash?
Ok stroll isn't George Russell, but he's a lot better than sirotkin, that other russian ebezzlement bloke, latifi, etc etc.
Meanwhile, the much hated "pay driver" and his dad (who you also seem to hate) stopped a team failing, and have kept it on the grid (and not at the back, either). What is to dislike about that? He's even gone and bought a car company to give it a good name (coz racing point was naff), and from what i've read so far, his fortune doesnt come from dodgyness (russian oil money, indian empires of embezzlement, various italian fraud on big boats, etc etc).
Tl;dr? Average on the f1 grid would be winning elsewhere, he must be able to steer..
vulture1 said:
Stroll has become the definition of a journeyman.
He has been in it long enough he is ok. With a notable exception in the wet where he seems to be above average.
I'd always thought journeyman drivers were those constantly bounced from one team to the next, as well as being on the spectrum of average. He has been in it long enough he is ok. With a notable exception in the wet where he seems to be above average.
TheDeuce said:
Some Gump said:
Lol i love how some of you hate lance so much.
Its as if you think that everyone on that grid didn't have huge budgets as kids, support through the lower ranks. Every single one of them did, does it matter if it was vodafone, carlos slim or dad chucking in the cash?
Ok stroll isn't George Russell, but he's a lot better than sirotkin, that other russian ebezzlement bloke, latifi, etc etc.
Meanwhile, the much hated "pay driver" and his dad (who you also seem to hate) stopped a team failing, and have kept it on the grid (and not at the back, either). What is to dislike about that? He's even gone and bought a car company to give it a good name (coz racing point was naff), and from what i've read so far, his fortune doesnt come from dodgyness (russian oil money, indian empires of embezzlement, various italian fraud on big boats, etc etc).
Tl;dr? Average on the f1 grid would be winning elsewhere, he must be able to steer..
We were discussing ability. Where did you get hate from...?Its as if you think that everyone on that grid didn't have huge budgets as kids, support through the lower ranks. Every single one of them did, does it matter if it was vodafone, carlos slim or dad chucking in the cash?
Ok stroll isn't George Russell, but he's a lot better than sirotkin, that other russian ebezzlement bloke, latifi, etc etc.
Meanwhile, the much hated "pay driver" and his dad (who you also seem to hate) stopped a team failing, and have kept it on the grid (and not at the back, either). What is to dislike about that? He's even gone and bought a car company to give it a good name (coz racing point was naff), and from what i've read so far, his fortune doesnt come from dodgyness (russian oil money, indian empires of embezzlement, various italian fraud on big boats, etc etc).
Tl;dr? Average on the f1 grid would be winning elsewhere, he must be able to steer..
Infact i was cheering him on that race he could have won. Was it portugal when everyone ran inters for the whole race.
vulture1 said:
TheDeuce said:
Some Gump said:
Lol i love how some of you hate lance so much.
Its as if you think that everyone on that grid didn't have huge budgets as kids, support through the lower ranks. Every single one of them did, does it matter if it was vodafone, carlos slim or dad chucking in the cash?
Ok stroll isn't George Russell, but he's a lot better than sirotkin, that other russian ebezzlement bloke, latifi, etc etc.
Meanwhile, the much hated "pay driver" and his dad (who you also seem to hate) stopped a team failing, and have kept it on the grid (and not at the back, either). What is to dislike about that? He's even gone and bought a car company to give it a good name (coz racing point was naff), and from what i've read so far, his fortune doesnt come from dodgyness (russian oil money, indian empires of embezzlement, various italian fraud on big boats, etc etc).
Tl;dr? Average on the f1 grid would be winning elsewhere, he must be able to steer..
We were discussing ability. Where did you get hate from...?Its as if you think that everyone on that grid didn't have huge budgets as kids, support through the lower ranks. Every single one of them did, does it matter if it was vodafone, carlos slim or dad chucking in the cash?
Ok stroll isn't George Russell, but he's a lot better than sirotkin, that other russian ebezzlement bloke, latifi, etc etc.
Meanwhile, the much hated "pay driver" and his dad (who you also seem to hate) stopped a team failing, and have kept it on the grid (and not at the back, either). What is to dislike about that? He's even gone and bought a car company to give it a good name (coz racing point was naff), and from what i've read so far, his fortune doesnt come from dodgyness (russian oil money, indian empires of embezzlement, various italian fraud on big boats, etc etc).
Tl;dr? Average on the f1 grid would be winning elsewhere, he must be able to steer..
Infact i was cheering him on that race he could have won. Was it portugal when everyone ran inters for the whole race.
Apparently some Gumps can't distinguish betwixt on topic curiosity and hateful criticism.
And yes, he's proven pretty handy in the wet - he has a high level of confidence as a driver, that's for sure.
Assuming Aston aren't doing low fuel glory runs, the new car is looking pretty handy in testing. Seems quite drivable looking at the on boards. Would love to see a new occasional podium contender emerge now that McLaren seem to have dropped the ball, but maybe I'm hoping for too much?
The cars looking well sorted, doing well right now in the quali sims. The times set today don't really mean anything of course but i'd feel fairly confident saying it should prove to be at the top end of the mid running teams... Which if so, means it's likely they will have an 'opportunity' to win a race at some point if the top teams above them run into problems or are out of position at the start.
So it wouldn't surprise me at all if a freak win happened - but it would take some luck and excellent strategy. I bet they get at least one podium though.
So it wouldn't surprise me at all if a freak win happened - but it would take some luck and excellent strategy. I bet they get at least one podium though.
cgt2 said:
Alonso will obliterate Stroll, embarrassingly so. No hate just a statement
Verstappen obliterated everyone except Ricciardo, who got obliterated by Lando who was on par with Sainz, who got obliterated by Leclerk who got soundly beaten by max in the championship.Every dog has his day
thegreenhell said:
Some rumours floating around that Vettel could return to sub for Stroll in the opening race(s). I think it's unlikely, but who wouldn't want to see Vettel and Alonso as teammates?
Can't see Vettel going for it to be honest, he left his way at a time of his choosing and seemed very content with his decision why would he roll back on it so soon.There is part of me that hopes I'm wrong
patmahe said:
Can't see Vettel going for it to be honest, he left his way at a time of his choosing and seemed very content with his decision why would he roll back on it so soon.
There is part of me that hopes I'm wrong
One more race to get to 300 starts would be nice. There is part of me that hopes I'm wrong
As for the car itself, The Race have been reporting that on rough testing numbers it may well be as quick as if not a bit quicker on race runs as the Mercedes and maybe even very close to the Ferrari. The big question seems to be what the cars quali pace will be.
You have to hand it to Lawrence, knows how to build a brand. Aston Martin have been laying it on thick with media personnel all winter apparently, schmoozing them silly, so that their uptick in performance is complimented by a wave of positive sentiment. I applaud them for their success with all of this- not only is their car good, but notice that Alonso is no longer a villain, Stroll is a hero, no negative suggestions from the press about where their inspiration comes from, poaching staff etc. I know all that stuff’s part of the game and I’m not criticising them for it, but having heard about the charm offensive it’s notable.
Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff