What do you think's going on at Mercedes right now then?
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Siao said:
Bo_apex said:
marine boy said:
Bo_apex said:
you need to be qualified in order to tie the shoe laces of Aldo Costa and other Italians who were key to Mercedes golden period of dominance
Including Aldo who is one of the best irrespective of nationality
My best boss ever is Italian and now a F1 Technical Director, a few other Italian's I've really enjoyed working with are now a F1 Team Principle and F1 Chief Designer's
The Deuce you must work in an engineering industry full of duffers
Yes the pub know-it-all must be working with duffers.
TypeR said:
Siao said:
Bo_apex said:
marine boy said:
Bo_apex said:
you need to be qualified in order to tie the shoe laces of Aldo Costa and other Italians who were key to Mercedes golden period of dominance
Including Aldo who is one of the best irrespective of nationality
My best boss ever is Italian and now a F1 Technical Director, a few other Italian's I've really enjoyed working with are now a F1 Team Principle and F1 Chief Designer's
The Deuce you must work in an engineering industry full of duffers
Yes the pub know-it-all must be working with duffers.
Piginapoke said:
Muzzer79 said:
Piginapoke said:
Merc appear to be having real difficulty in working to a budget cap and no longer having a dominant engine- a level playing field in other words.
I agree with this apart from the part in bold. What wasn't level about it prior to the budget cap?Every team had the same opportunities to develop an engine like Mercedes did. Nothing was skewed in their favour. Let's not also pretend that Red Bull and Ferrari didn't have access to funding at the level of Mercedes.
That's like saying Red Bull had real difficulty in 2014 when they no longer had a dominant aero package with the blown floor - "in other words a level playing field".
What I don’t like is the sense of entitlement that the team now has, the letter to fans this week being a good example. It would be better advised to get its head down and address the problems (rather than doubling down on a flawed concept that looks a lot like stubbornness to me).
You seem to think RB was different to Merc now - yet look at their sense of entitlement too throughout their history. No different.
Merc have already said they are leaving the current design behind. I’m not sure how they’re doubling down on a concept that doesn’t work.
The letter to the fans will take 0 resources away from working on the car, so is meaningless overall (although a weird pointless thing IMO).
RB will have lobbied for regulations all over the place. The dominance under Vettel also damaged the sport and it looks like the same will happen with Max. The only difference is you’re happy it’s RB and/or because it’s a change to Merc.
RB look to have at least one more season with a huge dominance now, plus perhaps some more to come. They’ll also have the benefit of their own somewhat flexible engine design teams to come soon too, with all the learnings from the other designs. I really won’t be surprised to see them dominate for a long time. Also it wasn’t for Merc then RB would have won the constructors 9 seasons since 2010 - that would have probably been even more damaging surely? And that’s assuming the Ferrari fudge would have played out the same way rather than if they’d won that season.
Merc dominance damaged the sport all right, but so does RB and they’d have been even more dominant if it wasn’t for Merc. And there’s no difference between Merc pushing engine stuff or RB pushing aero stuff.
Niponeoff said:
Well at least Toto has admitted they have a flawed concept. That takes some doing but it's the right way to change.
Let's hope they can build on their mistakes and come out better. It might do them good to know what is like to not win.
It's a bit weird that after insisting it's not the sidepods for over a year they're now essentially saying... it's the sidepods. Yes I know it's the overall concept blah blah but the sidepods seem to be more important than they previously admitted. Let's hope they can build on their mistakes and come out better. It might do them good to know what is like to not win.
Deesee said:
Scale models for the wind tunnels are inaccurate
Thy should try this one, if they haven't alreadyhttps://formulamodelshop.co.uk/product/bburago-b18...
honda_exige said:
Niponeoff said:
Well at least Toto has admitted they have a flawed concept. That takes some doing but it's the right way to change.
Let's hope they can build on their mistakes and come out better. It might do them good to know what is like to not win.
It's a bit weird that after insisting it's not the sidepods for over a year they're now essentially saying... it's the sidepods. Yes I know it's the overall concept blah blah but the sidepods seem to be more important than they previously admitted. Let's hope they can build on their mistakes and come out better. It might do them good to know what is like to not win.
honda_exige said:
Niponeoff said:
Well at least Toto has admitted they have a flawed concept. That takes some doing but it's the right way to change.
Let's hope they can build on their mistakes and come out better. It might do them good to know what is like to not win.
It's a bit weird that after insisting it's not the sidepods for over a year they're now essentially saying... it's the sidepods. Yes I know it's the overall concept blah blah but the sidepods seem to be more important than they previously admitted. Let's hope they can build on their mistakes and come out better. It might do them good to know what is like to not win.
As with everything it’s a balancing act.
If he had even 10% doubt he’s not going to come out to millions of people and say he has doubt making the situation pointlessly worse.
You only say things once you are 90-99% sure it’s a go. Clearly that is the case now. Anything else would be stupid when you’re playing with peoples lively hoods and millions upon millions of pounds.
NRS said:
I get the impression the sidepods themselves are not the big issue, but perhaps the lack of support to keep the floor stable impact the airflow under it, which is the more important issue. If the modelling results showed they could get the floor stable they might have had some other advantages, but overall they've seen even with a new version of the concept this year they can't create a stable floor and so it's time to call it instead of of the sunk cost fallacy. Last year the bouncing/porpoising meant they couldn't get enough data to answer the question then.
Now that Allison is back has Elliot been officially demoted or is he carrying on in his existing position? He was conspicuous by his absence in Saudi having been very available for interviews in Bahrain.
Hamilton making his displeasure known once more:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2023/03/23/lewis-hamilto...
Although the 38-year-old rowed back to a degree on those remarks in Saudi Arabia, he feels following the performance around the Jeddah Corniche Circuit where the car was again considerably off the pace, that his original comments have been vindicated.
“I’m one of those people that always likes to be right,” added Hamilton. “I’m not always right, but in this scenario I was right. So it was good. It was like ‘I told you’.”
Insisting there is “a team collaboration” inside Mercedes, Hamilton noted: “At the end of the day I’m the driver, not the designer.
“But I’m the gateway to the car’s performance, so we’re just working on continuously trusting each other in what we try to give back.
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What’s important is just owning up to it – ‘Okay, I was wrong’ or ‘You were wrong’ or whatever it is, and then just huddle up. "
That last sentence is interesting, 2nd weekend in a row that he's mentioned people need to own their mistakes - you get the feeling that maybe no one is, hence his continued pressing of this point.
Hamilton making his displeasure known once more:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2023/03/23/lewis-hamilto...
Although the 38-year-old rowed back to a degree on those remarks in Saudi Arabia, he feels following the performance around the Jeddah Corniche Circuit where the car was again considerably off the pace, that his original comments have been vindicated.
“I’m one of those people that always likes to be right,” added Hamilton. “I’m not always right, but in this scenario I was right. So it was good. It was like ‘I told you’.”
Insisting there is “a team collaboration” inside Mercedes, Hamilton noted: “At the end of the day I’m the driver, not the designer.
“But I’m the gateway to the car’s performance, so we’re just working on continuously trusting each other in what we try to give back.
.
.
What’s important is just owning up to it – ‘Okay, I was wrong’ or ‘You were wrong’ or whatever it is, and then just huddle up. "
That last sentence is interesting, 2nd weekend in a row that he's mentioned people need to own their mistakes - you get the feeling that maybe no one is, hence his continued pressing of this point.
honda_exige said:
Now that Allison is back has Elliot been officially demoted or is he carrying on in his existing position? He was conspicuous by his absence in Saudi having been very available for interviews in Bahrain.
Hamilton making his displeasure known once more:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2023/03/23/lewis-hamilto...
Although the 38-year-old rowed back to a degree on those remarks in Saudi Arabia, he feels following the performance around the Jeddah Corniche Circuit where the car was again considerably off the pace, that his original comments have been vindicated.
“I’m one of those people that always likes to be right,” added Hamilton. “I’m not always right, but in this scenario I was right. So it was good. It was like ‘I told you’.”
Insisting there is “a team collaboration” inside Mercedes, Hamilton noted: “At the end of the day I’m the driver, not the designer.
“But I’m the gateway to the car’s performance, so we’re just working on continuously trusting each other in what we try to give back.
.
.
What’s important is just owning up to it – ‘Okay, I was wrong’ or ‘You were wrong’ or whatever it is, and then just huddle up. "
That last sentence is interesting, 2nd weekend in a row that he's mentioned people need to own their mistakes - you get the feeling that maybe no one is, hence his continued pressing of this point.
resorting to the Blame Game.Hamilton making his displeasure known once more:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2023/03/23/lewis-hamilto...
Although the 38-year-old rowed back to a degree on those remarks in Saudi Arabia, he feels following the performance around the Jeddah Corniche Circuit where the car was again considerably off the pace, that his original comments have been vindicated.
“I’m one of those people that always likes to be right,” added Hamilton. “I’m not always right, but in this scenario I was right. So it was good. It was like ‘I told you’.”
Insisting there is “a team collaboration” inside Mercedes, Hamilton noted: “At the end of the day I’m the driver, not the designer.
“But I’m the gateway to the car’s performance, so we’re just working on continuously trusting each other in what we try to give back.
.
.
What’s important is just owning up to it – ‘Okay, I was wrong’ or ‘You were wrong’ or whatever it is, and then just huddle up. "
That last sentence is interesting, 2nd weekend in a row that he's mentioned people need to own their mistakes - you get the feeling that maybe no one is, hence his continued pressing of this point.
skwdenyer said:
sparta6 said:
resorting to the Blame Game.
It is interesting, this idea of blame. It presumes the existence of a mistake.Mercedes have produced a faster car than last year. Their rival has produced a far faster car still. Is anyone to blame?
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