Angela Cullen and Lewis go their separate ways

Angela Cullen and Lewis go their separate ways

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NRS

22,482 posts

204 months

Thursday 23rd March 2023
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Cold said:
maz8062 said:
When some folk have strong feelings against a particular person it’s not always for reasons such as racism, prejudice, jealousy or whatever, sometimes people just don’t like someone and can’t always explain why. I’m an LH fan, have always been and still am, but it doesn’t mean that I can’t say that there are certain things about him that are odd.

There are certain people in the paddock that really hate LH, hate. Marko is one as is Alonso, Bernie, JYS, Max, Piquet, Lando, Rosberg and a section of the McLaren team when he was up against Alonso. Now, it’s easy to just swat it away as racism, jealousy, prejudice or whatever but I believe there’s more to it. None of his peers view him as the best, like Messi or Ronaldo are viewed as the best in Football, Valentino Rossi in MotoGP, Ali in Boxing, Bolt in sprinting, Woods in golf etc. But the fans do. I think he’s the GOAT but his peers don’t. Who knows best?

Can you remember when someone mentioned the name Frank Tost and he didn’t know who he was despite Franz being the AT TP since 2005. It shows that LH loves driving F1 cars and likes the reach that the sport gives him, but he has no interest in F1. He doesn’t make an effort other than to polarise, take digs at the other teams that are faster.

We human beings are weird. If we work with someone day in and day out, admire them for their talent and skill, but don’t understand or relate to them, or think that they’re not making an effort to be inclusive, admiration turns into hate. LH is not popular with his peers or with the sport as a whole - I hope he turns this around before he retires or he’ll find it difficult to feel welcome when he returns after retirement.
Lando really hating Lewis while playing a round of golf, yesterday.

Rosberg also said the other day on top of multiple times that Hamilton is the best - of course it might just be to bug him up so he can say he beat the best, but it disagrees with what others have said.

As for the Piquet/Max/Alonso group they have also been involved in big title fights with him (or are family) - it’s natural they won’t like each other after that normally. Give it some years and some of them may heal a bit, like you see for some rivals once they stop. I think Vettel and Lewis arrived at a truce when they stopped being direct rivals and focused more on their social issues comments/work.

Dashnine

1,381 posts

53 months

Thursday 23rd March 2023
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NRS said:
I think Vettel and Lewis arrived at a truce when they stopped being direct rivals and focused more on their social issues comments/work.
Vettel has said himself he's chilled out a lot more in the last couple of years, as when in competition with other drivers he didn't want friendships as he needed the edge that not having them gave him.

P1Fanatic

846 posts

16 months

Thursday 23rd March 2023
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MustangGT said:
I used to work with an ex pit team member of McLaren who was there when Lewis joined. The information I have is that he was a bit of a diva in 2007. However, in 2008 he addressed that issue and by 2009 was a very likeable person to work with.
My former neighbor works at Mclaren in Woking and he had nothing but praise for Lewis as a person when he was there. Always willing to come and meet the entire factory team, take photos etc. It was his young sons birthday at one race and Lewis made a point of having him sit in his car and get his photo taken. I would take that opinion over some crap written by someone who has likely never even met him.

MustangGT

11,745 posts

283 months

Thursday 23rd March 2023
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P1Fanatic said:
MustangGT said:
I used to work with an ex pit team member of McLaren who was there when Lewis joined. The information I have is that he was a bit of a diva in 2007. However, in 2008 he addressed that issue and by 2009 was a very likeable person to work with.
My former neighbor works at Mclaren in Woking and he had nothing but praise for Lewis as a person when he was there. Always willing to come and meet the entire factory team, take photos etc. It was his young sons birthday at one race and Lewis made a point of having him sit in his car and get his photo taken. I would take that opinion over some crap written by someone who has likely never even met him.
Exactly.

vaud

51,176 posts

158 months

Thursday 23rd March 2023
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I think with many drivers there are two personas

The public persona that may have many layers of "defence" - layers they can put up or down depending on the situation and moment.

The private persona which is often quite different. The private Michael Schumacher and Ayrton Senna are good examples.

Senna was a deeply spiritual person who gave a lot of money to the poor, but he would happily run a rival off the track.
Schumacher did a lot of private events, charity work, donations, etc to support causes, he just didn't publicise them.

PhilAsia

4,095 posts

78 months

Thursday 23rd March 2023
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MustangGT said:
P1Fanatic said:
MustangGT said:
I used to work with an ex pit team member of McLaren who was there when Lewis joined. The information I have is that he was a bit of a diva in 2007. However, in 2008 he addressed that issue and by 2009 was a very likeable person to work with.
My former neighbor works at Mclaren in Woking and he had nothing but praise for Lewis as a person when he was there. Always willing to come and meet the entire factory team, take photos etc. It was his young sons birthday at one race and Lewis made a point of having him sit in his car and get his photo taken. I would take that opinion over some crap written by someone who has likely never even met him.
Exactly.
Give it a day/a page and it will start again. As if nothing ever gets through.

PhilAsia

4,095 posts

78 months

Thursday 23rd March 2023
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vaud said:
I think with many drivers there are two personas

The public persona that may have many layers of "defence" - layers they can put up or down depending on the situation and moment.

The private persona which is often quite different. The private Michael Schumacher and Ayrton Senna are good examples.

Senna was a deeply spiritual person who gave a lot of money to the poor, but he would happily run a rival off the track.
Schumacher did a lot of private events, charity work, donations, etc to support causes, he just didn't publicise them.
I was going to Ao Nang in Thailand for Christmas in 2004, but decided against it due to traffic/too busy. Three of my ex-gf friends lost their life in the Tsunami.

Schumi donated US$10 million if my memory is correct. Not a fan of some of his antics in, but a great person out of the car...

Siao

933 posts

43 months

Thursday 23rd March 2023
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P1Fanatic said:
MustangGT said:
I used to work with an ex pit team member of McLaren who was there when Lewis joined. The information I have is that he was a bit of a diva in 2007. However, in 2008 he addressed that issue and by 2009 was a very likeable person to work with.
My former neighbor works at Mclaren in Woking and he had nothing but praise for Lewis as a person when he was there. Always willing to come and meet the entire factory team, take photos etc. It was his young sons birthday at one race and Lewis made a point of having him sit in his car and get his photo taken. I would take that opinion over some crap written by someone who has likely never even met him.
With all due respect to both of you, I hope you realise that this works both ways. The two posts I quote here are from people on the internet claiming to know someone who knows someone and they are a good person, honestly... I can't personally verify these claims either way, it should all be taken with a pinch of salt, they are all just stories to the rest of the forumers. Not that I can't believe these stories mind you.

My gut feeling is that Lewis is a cracking bloke, in fact it feels like most of these guys would be absolute fine to hang out for a beer.

Siao

933 posts

43 months

Thursday 23rd March 2023
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PhilAsia said:
vaud said:
I think with many drivers there are two personas

The public persona that may have many layers of "defence" - layers they can put up or down depending on the situation and moment.

The private persona which is often quite different. The private Michael Schumacher and Ayrton Senna are good examples.

Senna was a deeply spiritual person who gave a lot of money to the poor, but he would happily run a rival off the track.
Schumacher did a lot of private events, charity work, donations, etc to support causes, he just didn't publicise them.
I was going to Ao Nang in Thailand for Christmas in 2004, but decided against it due to traffic/too busy. Three of my ex-gf friends lost their life in the Tsunami.

Schumi donated US$10 million if my memory is correct. Not a fan of some of his antics in, but a great person out of the car...
There are many stories flying around about his attitude outside the track. Here's one:

http://www.f1speedwriter.com/2012/10/michaels-drea...

Sandpit Steve

10,782 posts

77 months

Thursday 23rd March 2023
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Dashnine said:
NRS said:
I think Vettel and Lewis arrived at a truce when they stopped being direct rivals and focused more on their social issues comments/work.
Vettel has said himself he's chilled out a lot more in the last couple of years, as when in competition with other drivers he didn't want friendships as he needed the edge that not having them gave him.
Pretty sure that happens to anyone involved in a championship fight. Senna and Prost were friends once, as were Lewis and Nico. But with the world title on the line, every driver becomes a selfish so-and-so. Most of them make up later, in one way or another, when there’s no longer the pressure. Maybe we’ll even end up with a chilled-out Max, in a decade or so.

NRS

22,482 posts

204 months

Thursday 23rd March 2023
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vaud said:
I think with many drivers there are two personas

The public persona that may have many layers of "defence" - layers they can put up or down depending on the situation and moment.

The private persona which is often quite different. The private Michael Schumacher and Ayrton Senna are good examples.

Senna was a deeply spiritual person who gave a lot of money to the poor, but he would happily run a rival off the track.
Schumacher did a lot of private events, charity work, donations, etc to support causes, he just didn't publicise them.
Kimi being probably one of the most famous recent ones with a "dual personality" - apparently a huge laugh in person out of the public eye, but proper Finish doesn't give a st in terms of media stuff.

GiantCardboardPlato

4,716 posts

24 months

Thursday 23rd March 2023
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Nico Rosberg had to see psychologists to help him dislike Hamilton enough to beat him! wink

PhilAsia

4,095 posts

78 months

Thursday 23rd March 2023
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Siao said:
PhilAsia said:
vaud said:
I think with many drivers there are two personas

The public persona that may have many layers of "defence" - layers they can put up or down depending on the situation and moment.

The private persona which is often quite different. The private Michael Schumacher and Ayrton Senna are good examples.

Senna was a deeply spiritual person who gave a lot of money to the poor, but he would happily run a rival off the track.
Schumacher did a lot of private events, charity work, donations, etc to support causes, he just didn't publicise them.
I was going to Ao Nang in Thailand for Christmas in 2004, but decided against it due to traffic/too busy. Three of my ex-gf friends lost their life in the Tsunami.

Schumi donated US$10 million if my memory is correct. Not a fan of some of his antics in, but a great person out of the car...
There are many stories flying around about his attitude outside the track. Here's one:

http://www.f1speedwriter.com/2012/10/michaels-drea...
Top drawer! Never knew about that before. Thank you.

phil1979

3,580 posts

218 months

Thursday 23rd March 2023
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GiantCardboardPlato said:
Nico Rosberg had to see psychologists to help him dislike Hamilton enough to beat him! wink
And Lewis Hamilton had to see a surgeon to correct his bottom lip sticking out when Rosberg beat him wink

Fundoreen

4,180 posts

86 months

Thursday 23rd March 2023
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Dashnine said:
Fundoreen said:
It has to be asked . Is mikey muscles still jensons trainer? If he was let go it must have been an equal shock or betrayal.
Also if someone keeps calling you mikey muscles is it a problem when you want a new job? You have to keep putting that on your resumeee. What if you decide you want to be some big city trader for someplace like credit suisse? Do you have to apply as mikey muscles?
No, he’s head of the physio team at McLaren (some fancy title like Head of Human Performance) I saw or read recently.
Maybe this is what Ang is doing. She has to plan for after Lewis . He's ok when he stops as he will have billions of quid.

number2

4,371 posts

190 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Siao said:
There are many stories flying around about his attitude outside the track. Here's one:

http://www.f1speedwriter.com/2012/10/michaels-drea...
I'm a soppy bd at heart and that made me well up beer.

simon_harris

1,524 posts

37 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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number2 said:
Siao said:
There are many stories flying around about his attitude outside the track. Here's one:

http://www.f1speedwriter.com/2012/10/michaels-drea...
I'm a soppy bd at heart and that made me well up beer.
Got me too...