Are Red bull cheating?

[deadslow]

PhilAsia said:

deadslow said:

PhilAsia said:

I know about ignoramuses, so if I say I recognise one, is that good enough for you?

keeping it classy, Phil

I was just checking out if your example worked in other areas my friend.

Newey knows stuff about F1. Maybe, as you say, you know stuff about being ignorant; good luck with that

[MarkwG]

deadslow said:

MarkwG said:

He didn't say they were cheating at all: he said they had concerns. As others have said, if they were that concerned they would have pushed it at the time. I suspect the reason they didn't, is becasue Mercedes had checked it was legal, before adopting it, hence no grounds to argue. What's interesting to me, is how he's modified his stance on the Silverstone crash, & his attitude to Hamilton..

well, you definitely don't know that.

re Silverstone - as he stated in the interview numerous times (unlike many fans) he can let things go and move on. Good quality.

Hence why I started "I suspect..." - not "I know..."

[MarkwG]

Siao said:

MarkwG said:

deadslow said:

MarkwG said:

Perhaps you could highlight that for us - I've watched it through twice & still can't find it - https://youtu.be/JvkzUzpWuo4?si=uMdMiMPZAJ5PRM3T

53.09 it's only a couple of sentences

He didn't say they were cheating at all: he said they had concerns. As others have said, if they were that concerned they would have pushed it at the time. I suspect the reason they didn't, is because Mercedes had checked it was legal, before adopting it, hence no grounds to argue. What's interesting to me, is how he's modified his stance on the Silverstone crash, & his attitude to Hamilton..

To play the devil's advocate, he literally says that it was frustrating for them, the lack of willingness from the FIA to properly investigate it. So it seems that they indeed reported whatever concern they had and that the FIA didn't seem to do much. He did call it "dirty games", so is "cheating" so far fetched?

I can imagine it is quite frustrating, but the FIA aren't under any obligation to tell them whether or not they investigated, as far as I'm aware. If they'd already had that conversation with Mercedes, there'd be nothing else to discuss. I bet he's not so vocal about the investigation into their budget breaches, & how they were conducted in secrecy, with the outcome a complete whitewash.

[NRS]

Siao said:

MarkwG said:

deadslow said:

MarkwG said:

Perhaps you could highlight that for us - I've watched it through twice & still can't find it - https://youtu.be/JvkzUzpWuo4?si=uMdMiMPZAJ5PRM3T

53.09 it's only a couple of sentences

He didn't say they were cheating at all: he said they had concerns. As others have said, if they were that concerned they would have pushed it at the time. I suspect the reason they didn't, is becasue Mercedes had checked it was legal, before adopting it, hence no grounds to argue. What's interesting to me, is how he's modified his stance on the Silverstone crash, & his attitude to Hamilton..

To play the devil's advocate, he literally says that it was frustrating for them, the lack of willingness from the FIA to properly investigate it. So it seems that they indeed reported whatever concern they had and that the FIA didn't seem to do much. He did call it "dirty games", so is "cheating" so far fetched?

And that is what others have said, the FIA is willing to do that. But then Deadslow says it isn’t the case, for example with a possible RB braking system. So they say the FIA has done it before, but it’s not the case now. Bit odd that.

[DarkVeil]

What form of traction control were Red Bull using in 2013?

[Bo_apex]

deadslow said:

PhilAsia said:

I know about ignoramuses, so if I say I recognise one, is that good enough for you?

keeping it classy, Phil

FeelAsia lives in Dullsville with a baron landscape that's devoid of international culture, his reference points are behind the times.

[Muzzer79]

deadslow said:

Newey knows about bodywork, so if he says it was a cheat, that's gonna be good enough for me.

You don think he in any way has a slightly biased viewpoint?

[thegreenhell]

If anyone knows about bodywork cheats it's Newey.

[732NM]

deadslow said:

take a nerve pill, chap. There's no need to be so confrontational.

Newey knows about bodywork, so if he says it was a cheat, that's gonna be good enough for me.

He sure knows how to cheat with his own cars bodywork.

[PhilAsia]

deadslow said:

PhilAsia said:

deadslow said:

PhilAsia said:

I know about ignoramuses, so if I say I recognise one, is that good enough for you?

keeping it classy, Phil

I was just checking out if your example worked in other areas my friend.

Newey knows stuff about F1. Maybe, as you say, you know stuff about being ignorant; good luck with that

No, I said "I know about ignoramuses" and can spot one a mile off...now two, they seem to be doubling in number, with worrying consistency.

[PhilAsia]

Bo_apex said:

deadslow said:

PhilAsia said:

I know about ignoramuses, so if I say I recognise one, is that good enough for you?

keeping it classy, Phil

FeelAsia lives in Dullsville with a baron landscape that's devoid of international culture, his reference points are behind the times.

I'm sure you meant barren. Less ignoramuses in this tropical holiday destination.

[732NM]

All they had to do was put their money down and lodge an official protest. They didn't.

The nearest they got was telling Max to mess about with the Merc rear wing in parc ferme.

When that didn't work to keep Lewis behind him after Lewis started from the back of the grid, he tried to introduce his bodywork flexing techniques to the favella's.

[thegreenhell]

PhilAsia said:

Less ignoramuses in this tropical holiday destination.

fewer...

[Dashnine]

Gosh - who could this be?

"suspicions that an unidentified team is adjusting the clearance of the front bib – commonly known as a T-tray – between qualifying and the race."

https://www.planetf1.com/news/fia-us-gp-immediate-...

[MadCaptainJack]

thegreenhell said:

PhilAsia said:

Less ignoramuses in this tropical holiday destination.

fewer...

Ignorami.

[Siao]

MarkwG said:

Siao said:

MarkwG said:

deadslow said:

MarkwG said:

Perhaps you could highlight that for us - I've watched it through twice & still can't find it - https://youtu.be/JvkzUzpWuo4?si=uMdMiMPZAJ5PRM3T

53.09 it's only a couple of sentences

He didn't say they were cheating at all: he said they had concerns. As others have said, if they were that concerned they would have pushed it at the time. I suspect the reason they didn't, is because Mercedes had checked it was legal, before adopting it, hence no grounds to argue. What's interesting to me, is how he's modified his stance on the Silverstone crash, & his attitude to Hamilton..

To play the devil's advocate, he literally says that it was frustrating for them, the lack of willingness from the FIA to properly investigate it. So it seems that they indeed reported whatever concern they had and that the FIA didn't seem to do much. He did call it "dirty games", so is "cheating" so far fetched?

I can imagine it is quite frustrating, but the FIA aren't under any obligation to tell them whether or not they investigated, as far as I'm aware. If they'd already had that conversation with Mercedes, there'd be nothing else to discuss. I bet he's not so vocal about the investigation into their budget breaches, & how they were conducted in secrecy, with the outcome a complete whitewash.

I can't assume that, he wasn't asked. Quite possibly though.

And I'd expect the FIA to be "obligated" (for lack of better word) if someone has reported a suspected breach. We hear it all the time, that teams complained and the FIA investigated or took action, it is not so outlandish. I wish we knew more about this, but I am not going to hold my breath

[Siao]

NRS said:

Siao said:

MarkwG said:

deadslow said:

MarkwG said:

Perhaps you could highlight that for us - I've watched it through twice & still can't find it - https://youtu.be/JvkzUzpWuo4?si=uMdMiMPZAJ5PRM3T

53.09 it's only a couple of sentences

He didn't say they were cheating at all: he said they had concerns. As others have said, if they were that concerned they would have pushed it at the time. I suspect the reason they didn't, is becasue Mercedes had checked it was legal, before adopting it, hence no grounds to argue. What's interesting to me, is how he's modified his stance on the Silverstone crash, & his attitude to Hamilton..

To play the devil's advocate, he literally says that it was frustrating for them, the lack of willingness from the FIA to properly investigate it. So it seems that they indeed reported whatever concern they had and that the FIA didn't seem to do much. He did call it "dirty games", so is "cheating" so far fetched?

And that is what others have said, the FIA is willing to do that. But then Deadslow says it isn’t the case, for example with a possible RB braking system. So they say the FIA has done it before, but it’s not the case now. Bit odd that.

I'm not sure, I'm not talking for Deadslow. Just reading through the thread and noticed that, after watching the interview. The FIA has, of course, taken action before. They have also shown gross incompetence, repeatedly. So I can believe Newey when he said that

[Siao]

DarkVeil said:

What form of traction control were Red Bull using in 2013?

What? First time I hear this

[Muzzer79]

Dashnine said:

Gosh - who could this be?

"suspicions that an unidentified team is adjusting the clearance of the front bib – commonly known as a T-tray – between qualifying and the race."

https://www.planetf1.com/news/fia-us-gp-immediate-...

Could be any of them. Who do you think it is?

[Snappy89]

Dashnine said:

Gosh - who could this be?

"suspicions that an unidentified team is adjusting the clearance of the front bib – commonly known as a T-tray – between qualifying and the race."

https://www.planetf1.com/news/fia-us-gp-immediate-...

Such a trick would allow consistently decent performance across both quali and the race.

So probably McLaren.